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If Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (China-related articles) asks to use both, then you can simply add your traditional characters beside my simplified characters. Why did you delete the simplified characters? Highshines 00:13, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey, what's taking you so long to answer my question? Out of excuses? Highshines 19:36, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

User talk:65.24.105.1

Just wondered why you havent warned this user? He flashing up in the cvu channel as having been rolled back x amount of times, and I was looking to block and saw nothing on their talk page. I'll leave in your hands anyway :) Glen 08:23, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Bah! Ignore me :) Glen 08:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

David Wu

Jiang, I saw the changes you made to David Wu. While I'm ok with most of them, I changed back the line about ethnicity. This is something we agreed to and I believe should be left alone. The other changes you made I didn't touch. Davidpdx 05:06, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Cool, that's fine. Please change it and I'll put a note on the talk page that I agree with it. Davidpdx 07:59, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Prevents wrapping

Thanks! How did you ever figure that out? Badagnani 06:10, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I tried finding the Happy Happy Man...

But didn't find him. Since you sort of adopted him as your mascot, I'm hoping you know where exactly he is, or if he moves around regularly. Or if he gave up and went home. The photo(s) give no clue as to his precise location, so I had my whole family walk along (IIRC) Grant from the "Tian Xia Wei Gong" arch all the way to Sacramento St. Was I even close to where he is/was? -- Миборовский 18:32, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

User:108059 - again!

I just wanted to alert you to the fact that User:108059 is changing the spelling of Qing royalty against conventional usage, and he is not particularly communicative about it... I did a couple of reverts (Guangxu, Qianlong, etc.), but I'm getting tired... --Niohe 00:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

1000 edits!

I've finally made the thousand edit mark, after almost exactly three years! I know Daniel.Bryant makes a thousand edits in less than a fortnight, but aren't you proud of me?! --Xiaopo (Talk) 22:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Recent China dabs

Rationale For the most part, I've used the following criteria:

• If either the political entity or the georaphic region are the point of reference prior to 1912, the link should be "China."
• If the political entity is the reference between 1912 and 1949, then it is "Republic of China" (e.g. "China was involved in World War II.")
• If the political entity is the reference since 1949, it should be "People's Republic of China" (e.g. "China is a member of the WTO.")
• If the geographic entity is the reference since 1912, it should be either "mainland China" or the "People's Republic of China" depending on the context. For instance, if someone was born in XXX province, that province is a constituent of the PRC, not of mainland China per se (that is to say, there is nothing about the geographic features of East Asia that delimit Gansu. Alternately, if persons are trying to say that there was an earthquake in China in 1998, they probably don't mean the Free Area of the Republic of China, which is itself a geographic region, but the territory administered by the PRC (this is especially the case if someone writes "an earthquake happened in 1998 in Bejing, China;" he is not refering to the Beijing that existed in ancient imperial China, but the capital of the modern state of the PRC.)

Does that make sense? My concern is that persons are writing Misplaced Pages articles intending to discuss the modern political entity(ies), but directed readers to a non-existent empire or the large cultural group instead. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 15:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Responding here hope that works for you. To say that an earthquake happened in "Beijing, China, in 1998" is POV, as it chooses one Chinese state as the legitimate "China." Since what constitutes China is a matter of dispute in the international community, it is innapropriate for Misplaced Pages to choose a single Chinese state as the "true China." Hence, the article on one of these Chinese states, which is more commonly called "China" in English is at People's Republic of China, and there is a disambiguation at the top of the China article. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 15:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

POV and PRC To say that an earthquake happened in "Beijing, China, in 1998" is POV, because the Beijing is only in (that is, administered by) one state: the PRC. To say that it is China is to say that it is the Chinese state; whereas there are two Chinese states, and Beijing is only in one of them. The status of the PRC is up to dispute, as there is a rival Chinese state, and several other states and IGO's recognize it as the legitimate China. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 13:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Occupation While it may be true that lip service is paid to the notion that the PRC is an occupier, that is only due to an historical accident that will provoke the PRC to invade Taiwan if they are called a separate state. It is clearly the case that the ROC do not actually claim the mainland, even if they have not renounced the claim it. This (painting the POV of the ROC as "PRC is an occupier") is much more of an anachronism than applying the term "mainland China" to pre-1949 territory. Beijing is the capital of one Chinese state, namely, the PRC. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 19:42, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

China(s) As for you not personally considering the PRC an occupier, we're on the same page; I never thought that was your personal position. Choosing one Chinese state as the China is an issue (e.g. the constant prospect of war between the two, the diplomatic back-and-forth in the Third World, competing bids in IGO's, etc.) As you stated "nstead of 'Beijing is a capital of China' the naming conventions dictates 'Beijing is the capital of the People's Republic of China' since we are specifying something political. However, 'China' can be used to refer to a geographical/cultural entity unrelated to politics, as it has been done in the current China article." Which is, of course, true, and precisely why I tried to disambiguate Chinese political articles from Chinese geographic ones (cf. my use of "mainland China" above.) The statement "Mount Tai is in Shandong province of China" is certainly political, as provinces exist by the virtue of a state to create, merge, and dissolve them. In the case of the PRC, they may have inherited some of these boundaries from imperial China/the ROC, but they have redined their borders and have different conceptions of what constitutes "X province." So, for instance, the official line of the ROC is that "Tibet" includes Tannu Tuva, whereas the PRC neither administers nor claims it. So, if someone refers to the Tibetan Automous Region, they are not referring to the ROC's idea of Tibet, nor the independent (suzerain) kingdom of Tibet, but the district created at the whims of one of the two Chinese states; namely, the PRC. Consequently, it is not the case that the "PRC is totally irrelevant in this picture;" they define all provinces of the Chinese state under their jurisdiction. It is not my contention that "Beijing is in China" is a matter of dispute; it is that which China it is in must be clarified for the benefit of the reader. My guess would be 90-some% of the articles that make reference to ] since 1949 were written by editors thinking of the Communist state with the red and gold flag, not the ancient empire/civilization/cultural landscape in East Asia. When editors write things like "Such-and-such tank is used in ]," they mean "such-and-such tank is used in the People's Republic of China," correct? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 04:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Tanks and such We're getting somewhere with the examples that I gave (Tibet may have been poor, considering its unique status, but I digress...) That having been said, it would be inconsistent and odd for users to be navigating various geographic regions in "China" (likely PRC, of course), and find that one of them is in China, and another, adjacent to it, containing it, or of the same administrative order, is in the People's Republic of China. Plus, the tank example may have been too ambiguous: by the word "in" I did not mean "within the territorial borders of." When I say "The XXX tank is used in the United States," what I am likely saying is that the political entity of the United States of America uses such-and-such tank in other lands where it is fighting wars (unless, of course, it uses the tank within the context of a civil war.) Presently, the PRC is not at war with anyone (except a very cold war with the ROC, of course), so to say that XXX tank is used in the PRC is to say that "if the PRC were at war, it would deploy these tanks," not "these tanks are physically located within the territory administered by the PRC" (although the latter is also true, it is not what is intended to be communicated.) Does that all make sense? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 15:22, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

ROC

As per naming convention, One subtle yet important point: Misplaced Pages treats the Republic of China as a sovereign state with equal status with the People's Republic of China, yet does not address whether they are considered separate nations. Therefore, since the PRC article claims PRC is a country, ROC should be call a country as well. (parallelism and consistency). If both are "states" then we can call both states.--Certified.Gangsta 06:56, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Title in Infobox

(also posted at Talk:Wesley Clark) Sorry Jiang, that was a very rude revert. I merely did so because I was following the infobox of Peter Pace. This looks just fine, actually, looking at other high-command general's infoboxes. Apologies. Staxringold _talk 15:45, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

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Turns out there's a high res version of it (Image:Hwtbuild.jpg), so I guess it can just be deleted per WP:CSD #1 anyway.--Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 19:10, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Former Countries

I would like to invite you back to WikiProject Former countries. You were previously a member of its former incarnation WP Historical States. The objective of this project is still to improve the content and accessibility of articles on former countries. A taskforce for the states of the Holy Roman Empire has also been started and the child project on Prussia has also been revived. This restart is still in its early days but it would be great to have you back. - 52 Pickup 18:53, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Highshines

Take a look at this edit made by Highshines. I've had my doubts for a long time, but this makes you wonder whether he/she is sane or not.--Niohe 22:32, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Taiwan

I am not sure if your aware of it, but WikiProject Taiwan was created some time ago. Check if it's going alright :) AQu01rius (User • Talk) 17:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/David Lin

Thanks for pointing those out. I went ahead and deleted them. --Coredesat 23:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Article for deletion discussion notice

You might be interested in this vote for deletion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Lǐ (李) (surname). Please look there to see why this is, if you are interested in whether it should be deleted. Thank you. Yao Ziyuan 23:13, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

And this one Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_November_22#Family_name_categories Yao Ziyuan 23:22, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Demographics of Taiwan & Talk:Taiwanese people

Hey Jiang, if you wouldn't mind, could you give your opinion on why Hokkien/Hoklo and Hakka people are considered Chinese? There's a user who insists those two groups are Taiwanese and cannot be considered Chinese. I've tried to get the two pages semi-protected, but the admins say it's only one anonymous IP so they won't protect the pages. I can't be bothered to get into the war of editing the articles, it gives me a headache. PS: I put your page on my watchlist, reply here. — Nrtm81 04:58, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

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Inline- vs. box-style

You may be interested to keep on eye on edits as such . :-D — Instantnood 21:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for butting in, but I think SchmuckyTheCat's use of the infobox is nicer (I've actually been wondering where such a template was. I wanted to use it instead of inline text which is nasty-ness!) The box is so much more easier to read. Don't you think so?... Holy crap, that template (Template:Chinese) is complicated ;_; — Nrtm81 22:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

As user:Jiang has detailed before, these boxes are cluttering with infoboxes and images. Sometimes the box format is preferred, e.g. for people like Dr. Sun Yat Sen who have multiple names. But generally inline-style should be preferred. As an alternative we may perhaps move everything other than the characters (i.e. romanisations) to footnotes, although I'm not quite sure if that's practical. — Instantnood 22:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I've raised this issue at Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style (China-related articles). Did anyone notice that the Hong Kong article doesn't even list any romanization but actually has a seperate article for this at Pronunciation of Hong Kong? I don't think that's appropriate and should've just used the box-style format. Imagine creating seperate articles "Pronunciation of Macau", "Pronunciation of Tibet Autonomous Region", the list could go on. — Nrtm81 07:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The introductions to these articles are unreadable with 3-5 translations in the first sentence. SchmuckyTheCat 04:36, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Discuss this at Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style (China-related articles), not here.--Jiang 11:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Since you are watching and reverting some similar edits, I guessed you'd be interested to keep an eye on similar cases. :-) — Instantnood 14:55, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Jiang,

You and I did a lot for the bulk of the Taiwan History page I wrote as Maowang and as my old server # when I was too lazy to log in I also wrote much of the anorigines page. I am interested in getting back in to the Taiwan group, but I'm not sure how. I also have a lot to comment on for the Taiwanese People page. I'm the one with all the book citations on the Aborigines page.

Highshines

Jiang, I think it is time to give User talk:70.71.11.217 aka Highshines a warning again. He/she has started to split names and inserting hyphens in names on Cixi in a very sneaky way. I'm too tired to clean it up, but it looks awful.--Niohe 02:29, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

By the way, Highshines is acting up again and I wonder if you have time taking a look at it? Apart from his/her usual behavior of magnifying pictures and adding several versions of almost the same picture, he/she refuses to recognize the fact that most images that he/she has uploaded are unsourced and can be removed without advance notice. Please refer to a discission I have initiated a discussion with Highshines at Talk:Niuhuru, the Empress Xiao Zhen Xian.--Niohe 02:02, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Although it is technically not a policy violation (as far as I know), Highshines has also started to delete warnings from his/her talk page.--Niohe 02:03, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I've received a message from Highshines complaining about alleged vandalism by Niohe on my talk page (probably came to be because mine is the first administrator on the list). I gave a quick look into the situation and it appears to be a difference of opinion over image use. I'm not going to become involved as it appears Niohe is on a wikibreak and Highshines is currently under block. But I thought I'd let you know, should you be contemplating further action, of his message to me. I'll leave it in your hands as you're more familiar with the situation than I. Cheers. 23skidoo 14:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

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ROC

Jiang, can you block the latest unnamed user with beginning IP 212 to stop editing. He or She is destroying the article by adding (Taiwan) to every ROC or Republic of China. This is not the first time, but many times. Check the user contributions. Also, is there a way to revert easily to the previous edit or do I have to do everythin all over again? Answer here. Thank you. -Nationalist 04:04, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

For information on how to revert a page, see Help:Reverting. --Jiang 07:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

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Chien-ming Wang

For the Chien-ming Wang article, people keep removing Republic of China. For example: Tainan, Taiwan, Republic of China. The people keep removing Republic of China. I don't think the outsiders/Americans understand that the ROC is not their definition of China. They think Taiwan by itself is a country. I suggest that you intervene to resolve this dispute please. Thank you. -Nationalist 08:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Jiang please reply in my talk page. -Nationalist 01:30, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

List of sovereign states

Hey, the debate about having unrecognized countries on the list seems to have started up again. Mind having a look on the talk page? Thanks, Khoikhoi 06:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Jiang

Can you help with this jerry guy. He keeps eliminating Republic of China. He is doing POV edits. I think he is pushing the pro-dpp Taiwan independence view. The Republic of China is in fact in existence, so he shouldn't do it. You can respond here. -Nationalist 00:58, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Picture

Hello Jiang, I think your picture on your user page is interesting. Why do you think 台島失福? I think people in Taiwan are a lot happier than people in the PRC!--Jerrypp772000 23:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

What do you know about China? Have you been there? If so, what kind of experiences you have had there? Highshines 04:30, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Page moves again...

I hate to bother you with this, but our friend Highshines is going rampant making undiscussed pages moves again. Have a look at Special:Contributions/Highshines. We need to do something about this.--Niohe 00:39, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

What's your problem, Niohe? Aren't you the one who proposed the kind of page moves I have just made? I don't know what problem you have got, but I'm sure it's a serious problem. Highshines 04:25, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

To whomever deleted my user page: Can't you just delete the text and leave all other things tact?