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I came across this mess at where the closure request has sat, unactioned, for 16 days. Due to the fact that I was one of the people specifically targeted for harassment by EEML, I will not touch it. No other administrator appears willing, or able, to take on this monster, despite there having been at least four long (and heated) discussions. Therefore, I have wrapped it with a bow, and placed it under your Christmas tree (or next to your ] pole, etc.). Welcome to the Arbitration Committee! | I came across this mess at where the closure request has sat, unactioned, for 16 days. Due to the fact that I was one of the people specifically targeted for harassment by EEML, I will not touch it. No other administrator appears willing, or able, to take on this monster, despite there having been at least four long (and heated) discussions. Therefore, I have wrapped it with a bow, and placed it under your Christmas tree (or next to your ] pole, etc.). Welcome to the Arbitration Committee! | ||
: Thank you, arbitrators. I’d ask you to read the linked threads and see if you prefer to solve the obvious behavioral issues by a case or possibly a motion. The scope includes the linked threads and associated articles. We don’t need any rulings on content. Once the bad behavior stops, other editors can sort out the content questions. ] <sup>]</sup> 15:31, 21 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
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Warsaw concentration camp
Initiated by Jehochman at 13:35, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
Involved parties
- Jehochman (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA), filing party
- Piotrus (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Volunteer Marek (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Icewhiz was banned by WMF Legal last year.
- Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
- Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried
- COIN discussion ending without result 4 December 2021
- Original RFC at Talk:Warsaw concentration camp
- RFC at Talk:Reliability of Misplaced Pages
- An older discussion at WT:List of hoaxes on Misplaced Pages
Statement by Jehochman
Issue: If a newspaper publishes an article critical of an editor's editing, can the editor remove that newspaper article, and content sourced to it, from Misplaced Pages?
On Oct. 4, 2019, Omer Benjakob of Haaretz, Israel's paper of record, published a story about Misplaced Pages's coverage of Poland and the Holocaust, including what Benjakob called Misplaced Pages's longest-running hoax, related to content at the article "Warsaw concentration camp": . In this article, Benjakob interviewed User:Icewhiz and User:Piotrus, among others, and wrote, in the newspaper's voice, content that was critical of Icewhiz, Piotrus, User:Volunteer Marek, and others, as well as Misplaced Pages as a whole. As Benjakob predicted, back in 2019, and again in 2021, Piotrus and Volunteer Marek have removed content about the hoax, and the Haaretz article, from multiple Misplaced Pages pages. (all above statements copied from WP:COIN)
This is yet another hydra head from EEML, a 2009 arbitration case. This matter has been unresolvable due to severe, persistent behavioral problems. The dispute is causing extreme damage to the encyclopedia, by enabling disinformation and ahistory.
A little flavor of the discussion:
Jesus fucking Christ, reading COIN today was a mistake, because this thread makes me want to shove a pickaxe through my skull.
I came across this mess at Misplaced Pages:Closure requests where the closure request has sat, unactioned, for 16 days. Due to the fact that I was one of the people specifically targeted for harassment by EEML, I will not touch it. No other administrator appears willing, or able, to take on this monster, despite there having been at least four long (and heated) discussions. Therefore, I have wrapped it with a bow, and placed it under your Christmas tree (or next to your Festivus pole, etc.). Welcome to the Arbitration Committee!
- Thank you, arbitrators. I’d ask you to read the linked threads and see if you prefer to solve the obvious behavioral issues by a case or possibly a motion. The scope includes the linked threads and associated articles. We don’t need any rulings on content. Once the bad behavior stops, other editors can sort out the content questions. Jehochman 15:31, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
Statement by Piotrus
Statement by Volunteer Marek
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Warsaw concentration camp: Clerk notes
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Vote key: (Accept/decline/recuse)
- There's zero doubt that the conversations around this have been very difficult and it's unsurprising that someone would look our way. Questions on my mind: For those who will suggest we accept this case, what do you see as our scope because we're not going to rule on content? For those who would suggest we decline, how do you see this conflict resolving short of a case? Barkeep49 (talk) 15:10, 21 December 2021 (UTC)"> ">