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:::::1) For now, this seems to be two isolated small events, and as such, I would say that they don't deserve mention, because in relation to 300+ events: "Arson, bombings, murders and acid attacks were among more than 300 acts of extreme violence recorded by the Rand Corporation between 1973 and 2003" these two are less than 1%.
:::::1) For now, this seems to be two isolated small events, and as such, I would say that they don't deserve mention, because in relation to 300+ events: "Arson, bombings, murders and acid attacks were among more than 300 acts of extreme violence recorded by the Rand Corporation between 1973 and 2003" these two are less than 1%.
:::::2) If this type of activity continues or increases (say 10x), then I would support sub-headers in the "Violence" section of "Violence against abortion providers" and "Violence against abortion opponents", with one sentence talking about the violence against opponents, but including the Rand Corp 300+ statement to put it in perspective. ---''']]''' 01:08, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::2) If this type of activity continues or increases (say 10x), then I would support sub-headers in the "Violence" section of "Violence against abortion providers" and "Violence against abortion opponents", with one sentence talking about the violence against opponents, but including the Rand Corp 300+ statement to put it in perspective. ---''']]''' 01:08, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::Republican party headquarters in Raleigh, NC vandalized yesterday. Arizona State House vandalized two days ago. Someone was arrested for attempting to assassinate a US Supreme Court Justice. This, plus the two mentioned above, seem to have been within a month. Yeah, it's not 300 - but that's 300 over 40 years. ] (]) 05:08, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
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The common usage term is "pro-life". I'm surprised that Misplaced Pages is allowing naming to be decided by politically driven motives. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia that provides npov information and doesn't attempt to enter the argument. I'm pro-choice but this is disappointing. 8.45.132.4 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:21, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
I'd further add that changing the name to "Anti-abortion" will not somehow change which side of the issue people will fall on anyways. 8.45.132.4 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:34, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Anti-abortion is a politically fabricated title. People pertaining to pro-life or right to life movement do not refer to themselves as anti-abortionists. If I tell someone my name is Bob, I expect to be called bob, not frank. 2600:100C:B225:5E95:6DF8:E090:B16D:29AD (talk) 20:43, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
By your example: Your real name is Frank, and you are lying that your name is Bob? Because these people are not pro-life, do not care about human lives, and have dedicated their lives to campaigns of violence. See Anti-abortion violence for lists of murders, attempted murders, assaults, kidnappings, arsons, and bombings by American "pro-life" activists. Dimadick (talk) 10:18, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
I personally agree, but Misplaced Pages content must be supported with reliable sources. Neither you nor I can add such a description without having a source that backs up the whatever content we add. I haven't ever looked. Maybe there is something out there. HiLo48 (talk) 08:48, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
CompassCare and Jane's Revenge
Since my edit was reverted under the rationale that the image did not match with the content of the section, I'm discussing this here. I actually took the picture of the police on sight of the Eggerstville, NY-based pro-life and anti-abortion medical center CompassCare, on the day an arson attack from a pro-choice group took place there. I added the photo because I thought the section discussed all abortion-related violence, including against anti-abortion groups and individuals, by the fact that one of the paragraphs is about the murder of Jim Pouillon. Additionally, there's no "pro-choice violence" article that's similar to anti-abortion violence, and Jane's Revenge, who did the CompassCare attack plus another Wisconsin pro-life center weeks ago, has been getting both local and national coverage recently. Unfortunately, some of the articles have been from right-wing propaganda outlets fear-mongering about the "radical left" (TheBlaze, National Review, Washington Times, Fox News, NYPost). However, reputable local outlets like WIVB, WBAL, WKBW, and the Buffalo News have discussed the incident, and Jane's Revenge has also been covered for their activities by the Guardian, ABP Live, Socialist Alternative, MyNorthwest, WSAW, PBS Wisconsin, Christian Post, and San Diego Union Tribune. With that mind, if there's an article or section about violence and threats by abortion activists that I could add the image to, I'd appreciate the info. As a libertarian-identifying pro-abortion individual, I definitely know only an anti-abortion violence article exists because there's far more reliable evidence for those incidents, but that does not mean pro-abortion violence does not happen. 👨x🐱 (Nina CortexxCoco Bandicoot) 01:11, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
My comment would be that this picture would be WP:UNDUE representation of this violence, since, as the Guardian source says: "An attack on an anti-abortion office is a relative rarity compared with attacks on abortion clinics and providers. In 2019, the Guardian reported on an “alarming escalation” in picketing, vandalism and trespassing by anti-abortion activists at medical facilities. Arson, bombings, murders and acid attacks were among more than 300 acts of extreme violence recorded by the Rand Corporation between 1973 and 2003, and in one of the most heinous incidents, in 2009, Dr George Tiller, a Kansas abortion provider, was shot dead in a church in Wichita." So, we'd need some large number of pictures of anti-abortion violence or some other way to not skew the reader's perception in a direction opposite the facts/data. ---Avatar31704:55, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
"An attack on an anti-abortion office is a relative rarity" Rare, but still occurring. Perhaps not notable enough for a solo article on the topic, but we could mention it with the other escalating threats associated with the ridiculous debate about abortions in the United States. Leave it to Americans to resort to lethal violence over a medical issue. Dimadick (talk) 09:19, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
FALSEBALANCE would be if we discussed the pro-abortion violence at the same length as the other violence, or half as much. It could just be a paragraph, where it would acknowledge that pro-abortion violence is definitely rare in comparison to anti-abortion violence, ya know. 👨x🐱 (Nina CortexxCoco Bandicoot) 23:18, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Right now the section on violence has 6 sentences about violence by anti-abortion extremists and 1 sentence about violence directed against an anti-abortion protester. That ratio of 1 to 6 is already far, far higher than the ratio of pro-abortion-rights violence to anti-abortion violence. NightHeron (talk) 00:36, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
1) For now, this seems to be two isolated small events, and as such, I would say that they don't deserve mention, because in relation to 300+ events: "Arson, bombings, murders and acid attacks were among more than 300 acts of extreme violence recorded by the Rand Corporation between 1973 and 2003" these two are less than 1%.
2) If this type of activity continues or increases (say 10x), then I would support sub-headers in the "Violence" section of "Violence against abortion providers" and "Violence against abortion opponents", with one sentence talking about the violence against opponents, but including the Rand Corp 300+ statement to put it in perspective. ---Avatar31701:08, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Republican party headquarters in Raleigh, NC vandalized yesterday. Arizona State House vandalized two days ago. Someone was arrested for attempting to assassinate a US Supreme Court Justice. This, plus the two mentioned above, seem to have been within a month. Yeah, it's not 300 - but that's 300 over 40 years. 2600:6C5E:167F:F8D5:BD8C:E81C:25E3:8449 (talk) 05:08, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
