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Hello to all fellow Wikipedians. GoodDay 22:40, 17 November 2005 (UTC).

This user has been on Misplaced Pages for 19 years, 1 month and 12 days.

You may be wondering why my archives only start at August 2007. The reason: I didn't archive my pages before that date, I merely deleted them (as I didn't know how to archive). Therefore, if anyone wishes to see material before August 2007? check out this talkpage's 'history'.

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Nomination of Christine Fang for deletion

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Premature closing of an RFC

Challenging a clusure --Pete (talk) 02:22, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Must you always be a pain in the 'bleep', at least once a year? Settle down & wait the RFC out. GoodDay (talk) 02:24, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Nothing personal. We discussed closure over the past two days, agreeing to leave it open one more day. There was no more input and the consensus was clear. Use the process if you want to challenge closure. --Pete (talk) 02:26, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

I reckon you want to be the boss & you're not gonna stop, until one of us gets blocked for edit warring. @Peter Ormond:, it's your call. Too bad, that article's been made to look stupid. But, I've seen stranger results on this project. GoodDay (talk) 02:28, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

@Skyring: Though I must admit. Your version of Option B, is acceptable. GoodDay (talk) 02:43, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Wow!

Not that I disagree. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 07:52, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

When I get a hunch @Deepfriedokra:, it tends to be accurate. GoodDay (talk) 12:26, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

I have my own idea of who this sounds like. I assume the Arbs have CU'd so maybe not. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ --Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:25, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Either way, the lad's soon gonna end up blocked. GoodDay (talk) 14:30, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

A suggestion

You might want to remove this comment before someone replies to it on that talk page. That sort of battleground mentality is really not helpful in what you already know to be an already fraught topic area. Sideswipe9th (talk) 22:58, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

@Sideswipe9th:, it's that kinda heavy restriction on those talkpages, that causes such friction. Anyways, if you want to 'remove' my post? then by all means, do so. GoodDay (talk) 23:02, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Oh my. Those restrictions are quite, quite necessary. If you want to see what unrestricted dialogue between pro and anti trans commentators looks like, Twitter and Reddit are both good places to start.

In any event, per WP:TPO it's not really appropriate for me to remove that comment directly, as it doesn't fit any of the criteria for removal by another. That's why I suggested it here. Sideswipe9th (talk) 23:07, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

I wont't be responding to anybody, who responds to it. I haven't been overly involved with LGBTQ stuff, since earlier this year. When I got the impression that a user can use a gay-pride flag on his userpage, but can't use a straight-pride flag? That pretty much told me, what direction the majority of editors in the LGBTQ topic, were pointing. GoodDay (talk) 23:11, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

And tell us, GoodDay, how do you feel about displaying white power signs and flags? Bastun 14:34, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

@Bastun: Flags/signs are only flags/signs & those who preach tolerance, tend to practice intolerance. GoodDay (talk) 14:41, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Uh-huh. And in your part of Canada, are many white people subject to discrimination by the people-of-colour community? Do many straight people get assaulted by the LGBT community, for being straight? Bastun 19:42, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Those who preach tolerance, tend to practice intolerance. GoodDay (talk) 19:46, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

And those who preach intolerance tend to practice tolerance? (Sorry - couldn't help myself!)Sarah777 (talk) 19:52, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Haven't seen you in ages, Sarah777. Howdy. GoodDay (talk) 19:54, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Been busy with RL! Back to rating IrlProj articles now. Back in the salad days of 2006-2009 we weren't even aware of this issue! At least I wasn't Sarah777 (talk) 19:57, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages has taken quite a left turn, since 2009. GoodDay (talk) 19:58, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

To me "left" was basically a wealth distribution concept. Seems indeed that things have changed! Sarah777 (talk) 21:59, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Political correctness, cancel culture, etc. The place has changed. GoodDay (talk) 22:01, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Surely that hasn't infected Misplaced Pages? I'd never believe that...Sarah777 (talk) 22:05, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

"Cancel culture"?! Call it by it's proper name! A longstanding tradition that means nothing more than "Your actions and words have consequences." And do I really need to get out my Neil Gaiman quote about political correctness? "It's treating other with people with respect gone mad!" Bastun 22:16, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Those who preach tolerance, tend to practice intolerance. GoodDay (talk) 22:19, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Bastun! I guess you'd be the first to approve of the fact that "Your actions and words have consequences" in China and Russia too? Sarah777 (talk) 22:23, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Not sure of the point you're making, Sarah777, but in Ireland, the people complaining about so-called "cancel culture" (as opposed to, say, state censorship) tend to be the ones who have national newspaper columns and/or radio shows to do their complaining from. The David Quinns, Brenda Powers and Breda O'Briens of the media world. Bastun 11:26, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Take a peek over at the Jordan Peterson page. Attempts are being made (and will likely succeed) to partial or totally remove (i.e. censure) the 'tweet', that he was blocked from Twitter for. That's just one example. Wouldn't be surprised, if the next step was an attempt to delete his entire page. GoodDay (talk) 13:49, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes. Why on earth would we amplify his tweet that deadnamed someone - in breach of at least two guidelines, at that? I don't think anyone is suggesting a page deletion, either - where's that happening, or are you just using a slippery slope argument? Bastun 19:24, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

I've no interest in joining the discussion at the Peterson page, as I already know what the outcome will be. I also know that any editor(s) who have an opposite position on that outcome, will be accused of being anti-trans, etc & eventually topic-banned or worst. GoodDay (talk) 20:54, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Huh. Oddly, even though I know you keep an eye on AN/I, and you're evidently an advocate of free speech, you never sprang to my defence when someone tried to get me topic-banned from that very area... 🤔 I guess there's cancel culture, and cancel culture... 🙄 Bastun 21:54, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Well Bastun, it's like this. While I probably disagree with many/most "anti-woke" positions, I do believe that "cancel culture" is a real thing. When Corporate entities like Google, Twitter, Facebook etcetera, plus the Corporate media, start to censor opinions they don't like, that, de facto, is the same as what is happening in, say, China. Instead of the CCP dictating acceptable opinion, we have a branch of the Western oligarchy doing so. At the moment there appears to be a divide between two wings of that oligarchy, like Swift's big and small enders. Don't mistake that for any principled difference - or a difference between how the Chinese State or the Western State works. And as we are trading our free speech credentials, I have never once called, voted for or advocated the banning or blocking of anyone on Misplaced Pages. Sarah777 (talk) 23:13, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

I dunno. I've tried reporting actual white-supremacist, racist and/or anti-LGBT posts on Twitter and Facebook, that are literally advocating violence, and been told "Nah, that's grand, within our terms of service." And I have also seen David Quinn, Breda O'Brien and similar rail against cancel culture - from their weekly, nationally syndicated newspaper columns and regular guest spots on TV/radio shows. If I choose to no longer buy the newspapers that platform their anti-LGBT views, sure, I guess you can call that cancel culture, but it's a stretch, and no, it's really nothing like the CCP not only denying someone a voice in state media but also putting them into a "re-education" camp. YMMV. Bastun 12:04, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I think you have a naïve view of how the Western Corporate media works - I tend to agree with Chomsky on the topic. And I think you understate the threat of "cancel culture" to free speech. Threats of violence are serious offences in most countries - "railing" against something isn't supposed to be - at least in the West. As someone who detests, for example, white supremacy or religious beliefs being imposed on non-believers (abortion is an example IMO) - I do worry that "liberals" are edging towards mirroring the authoritarianism they claim to oppose. Sarah777 (talk) 21:42, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

You ticked me off, years ago. I never forget being agitated by any editor, but I don't seek revenge. I merely withhold my support, when they get themselves in trouble. GoodDay (talk) 21:59, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Interesting juxtaposition... Those who preach tolerance, tend to practice intolerance... First they came for the socialists... Bastun 22:21, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

You see things your way & I see things my way. GoodDay (talk) 22:22, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Bastun. Misplaced Pages is also pro-devolution (see discussions at WP:BOXING & Lennox Lewis, for examples), when it comes to British BLPs & pro-foreign language style (those old diacritics discussions of years gone by), when considering the name of many bios & places. Heck, on the latter part, just look at how you sign your name. In the American political pages, particularly high-profile BLPs, there's a pro-establishment Democratic bias. That's the way the winds are blowing (i.e. majority of editors) & have been, these last few years. GoodDay (talk) 19:43, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

How I sign my name? "Egads, Bastun" is - ironically - Ye Olde English, and I adopted it only after Sarah777 used the phrase when leaving me a message, many years ago! As for the rest, I think you and I may both be suffering from cognitive bias, at least in some respects. E.g., I gave up trying to edit the Donald Trump article late into his election campaign/early into his presidency, when if you tried to include anything critical, it got filibustered away for a month at least with an RfC. So as far as I am concerned, Misplaced Pages is "pro-establishment Republican." Anyway, your note on my talk page is noted, I'll move on! Bastun 10:14, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

You ain't been the Trump page lately. GoodDay (talk) 15:40, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

@Newimpartial: I have seen your 2022 contributions. Again, consider my friendly suggestion, going forward. GoodDay (talk) 20:42, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

@Masterhatch: as you can see, my prediction about the Peterson page, is coming to pass. I've noticed over the months, that the ratio of editors getting the DS warning on said-general topic, tends to be mostly tilted towards one side. GoodDay (talk) 18:07, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

That's quite the strong aspersion to be casting. Have you got any evidence to support it? Sideswipe9th (talk) 18:27, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm currently considering starting a discussion over there, on 'how' a certain MoS is being used. At the moment, I haven't decided yet, as I know the perils involved, if I were to do so. That hesitation, is an example of the chilling effect one gets, from the MoS-in-question. GoodDay (talk) 18:31, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

That's a non-sequitur and didn't really answer the question on evidence to support the ratio of editors getting the DS warning on said-general topic. Even if you're referring to folks receiving the ds/alert for WP:ARBATC, or you're referring to editors receiving the WP:GENSEX and/or WP:ARBBLP sanctions, that seems very out of scope for a discussion at one of the MOS talk pages and would probably best be held at WP:ARCA or WP:ARC. Sideswipe9th (talk) 18:39, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't deny the perils involved, with the topic-in-general. As I already mentioned, it's on my mind for the time being. FWIW, (a slightly different topic, but related) an editor (not you) seems to be involved in multiple concurrent pages & page discussions related to said-topic. Where ever such a discussion is occurring, that editor is there. If the individual-in-question, has hundreds of those pages (bio & non-bios) on a watchlist? That's not good & could be in own territory. But, I'll let someone else worry or deal with that. GoodDay (talk) 18:47, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Without knowing the specifics of that editor's situation or how they are contributing to those articles, I can only say that editing along one's interests regardless of how broad or narrow they may be, isn't inherently a problem. Again though you're casting unsupported aspersions about an anonymous editor, which is never a good thing to do on wiki. If you have a concern about an editor's conduct, you already are quite familiar with the appropriate noticeboards upon which to raise it. Sideswipe9th (talk) 18:53, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't report editors to any boards, as long as they're not edit-warring. GoodDay (talk) 18:57, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Sideswipe9th. I'm going to have to ask you 'not' to contact me, anymore. GoodDay (talk) 23:52, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Staying out of it

My apologies, @Emli89:, @Crossroads:, @Taramalan:. I shouldn't have stuck my nose into your business. GoodDay (talk) 15:42, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

No apologies needed as far as I am concerned. I was able to have civil conversations with you, without pointlessly dragging the topic. I will continue to look forward to your edits, and hope we can have a good editing time ;D Emli89 (talk) 16:32, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Crossroads, seems to be followed by the same one or two editors, in nearly every trans-related content dispute. GoodDay (talk) 17:28, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Very soon @Crossroads:, I won't be allowed to participate in the TERF RFC anymore. But, I will be watching how it turns out. GoodDay (talk) 02:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Won't be allowed? Why? Crossroads 02:45, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Crossroads:, I've been reported to WP:AE, for apparently breaching WP:GENSEX discretionary sanctions. I'm not gonna bother fighting it. GoodDay (talk) 02:52, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

How it is

@Thinker78:, I gave up on trying to bring NPoV to the Donald Trump page or discuss its lack of NPoV on its talkpage, months ago. GoodDay (talk) 23:46, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. Certainly the talk page has too many, too passionate, impatient and/or hostile responses to seemingly conservative ips, editors or otherwise, non-liberal posts that seem to favor Trump. I am no fan of Trump, but I am against undue censorship and biased or hostile gatekeeping. I do want to see more accommodation according to Misplaced Pages's guidance to seemingly conservative posts and critiques, because in Conservative media they consider Misplaced Pages a biased, liberal operation. Thinker78 (talk) 23:57, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Propose anything remotely positive for Trump, Bernie Sanders or any other high-profile Republican or progressive Democratic BLP? You'll be opposed. Bring anything remotely negative to Biden, Hillary Clinton or any other high-profile establishment Democratic BLP? You'll be opposed. GoodDay (talk) 00:02, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

References

1. Halon, Yael. "Misplaced Pages co-founder says left's 'relentless' takeover of mass media ruined the website he helped build". Fox News. Retrieved 1 July 2022.

Saskatchewan - deletion of type of government

Hi GoodDay, was there a discussion anywhere of this issue? I just see references to Nikkimaria's change to Manitoba, but I don't see where it's been discussed? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 16:51, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

@Mr Serjeant Buzfuz: By all means, open up an RFC at WP:CANADA's talkpage. I'm only concerned with all the provinces & territories being in sync on that topic. It doesn't matter to me if the two parameters are included or excluded. GoodDay (talk) 17:31, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Re your NB/PEI deletions/revert deletions: I do need time to feed the dog, and other IRL things.  :) Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 21:06, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Just keep an eye out for Niki at Manitoba. GoodDay (talk) 21:20, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Tory party leadership and UK Prime Minister

Just thought you might be interested, technically the Prime Minister does not need to be the party leader of the largest party in the House of Commons. One of the more prominent recent examples of this is Winston Churchill, who during the period between 10 May 1940 and 9 October 1940 was prime minister but not party leader. The party leader during that period was Neville Chamberlain. Sideswipe9th (talk) 19:10, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I know that. It's the same as in Canada. Indeed, a prime minister doesn't even have to be a member of the House of Commons. A Canadian prime minister can concurrently be a member of the Canadian Senate (hasn't happened since 1896) & a British prime minister can be a member of the British House of Lords (hasn't happened in many decades). GoodDay (talk) 19:13, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Also technically, Boris doesn't have to leave office upon election of a successor, or appointment of an interim party leader. Convention states he should, but convention also states he should have resigned several times over the last three years. With regards to actual constitutional issues, the only way a sitting PM can be forcibly removed from office is if the House of Commons passes a confidence motion against the incumbent, as that is a clear indication to the Crown that the current government no longer has the confidence of the house. Sideswipe9th (talk) 19:14, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Though it likely won't come to it. The monarch can dismiss (i.e fire) him. GoodDay (talk) 19:15, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes and no. The Crown does in theory still have that prerogative power, though after the actions of Charles I of England I'm not sure any reigning monarch has actually invoked it. If the Queen were to do so, even with the current circumstances in mind it would be very controversial. Sideswipe9th (talk) 19:18, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I know. Liz won't fire BoJo, unless the UK Parliament tells her to. Otherwise, the UK Parliament would strip her of her reserve powers & she'd be like the Swedish monarch. GoodDay (talk) 19:24, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Kedah?

Reading the archive here you claimed that "Thailand (then Siam), had 'unwanted' influence." On Kedah can you give a Source In Which it is said that Thailand/Siam had this on Kedah? Jackal Himorse (talk) 03:57, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

@Jackal Himorse: another editor made that claim. GoodDay (talk) 03:58, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

And who was that Editor? GoodDay. Jackal Himorse (talk) 04:33, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

That's a while ago. I can't remember. GoodDay (talk) 04:36, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

I am readding him to the Top List until Someone can Find a Realiable Source that states Thailand did that to Kedah Jackal Himorse (talk) 04:47, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

I honestly don't know what you're going on about. Whatever it is, you don't need my permission. GoodDay (talk) 04:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)