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| *'''Comment''' This could go a couple ways. If a time viewer is, as one source puts it , "a passive form of time machine" it could be redirected to become a subsection of ], or if a literary context is the primary focus, ]. If real life claims of time viewing are the focus, it could be a subsection of ]. ] (]) 21:03, 26 July 2022 (UTC) | *'''Comment''' This could go a couple ways. If a time viewer is, as one source puts it , "a passive form of time machine" it could be redirected to become a subsection of ], or if a literary context is the primary focus, ]. If real life claims of time viewing are the focus, it could be a subsection of ]. ] (]) 21:03, 26 July 2022 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Merge''' to ] or another more suitable article, unless the rewrite proves to be substantial enough to make a merge not needed. Currently too small to need to exist on its own. ] (]) 22:15, 26 July 2022 (UTC) | *'''Merge''' to ] or another more suitable article, unless the rewrite proves to be substantial enough to make a merge not needed. Currently too small to need to exist on its own. ] (]) 22:15, 26 July 2022 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Keep'''. The article has been significantly rewritten since nomination and many of the above comments. I added the Category:Fictional technology at bottom. <span style="background:#8FF;border:solid 1px;border-radius:8px;box-shadow:darkgray 4px 4px 4px;padding:1px 4px 0px 4px;">]|]</span> 11:45, 27 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
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Couldn't find reliable secondary sources with WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:NOTABILITY guideline. There aren't reliable references to the concept of a "time viewer", making me concerned that this is an WP:OR compilation of concepts that an editor is subjectively comparing. (For example, a trivial mention from NASA that is referring to something very different from what the article purports to be about.) The only source is another online encyclopedia which isn't a reliable secondary source, and may be circularly pulling material from this WP:OR Misplaced Pages article. Jontesta (talk) 18:46, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Jontesta (talk) 18:46, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction is certainly a WP:Reliable source for science fiction concepts, and even if it weren't David Langford (who wrote the entry in question, see here) is a subject-matter expert. The concept also gets an entry in Brave New Words as well as a page and a half in All the Wonder that Would Be: Exploring Past Notions of the Future. So this is clearly notable. I'll start rewriting it as a proper prose article about the topic shortly. TompaDompa (talk) 19:53, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I'm always cautious about an edit that cuts an article down to a one line WP:DICTDEF without discussion. Your WP:BOLD cuts are taken in good faith and I agree with them, but I'm left with something that would be redirected to time travel, and it feels close enough to deletion that a discussion felt like a better idea. Thanks for attempting a WP:TNT, and an expansion might address the AFD issues, or at least get it into a mergeable state. Just remember that notability calls for secondary sources, not WP:TERTIARY. Jontesta (talk) 20:34, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- I think it's safe to say that this isn't my first rodeo. See WP:Articles for deletion/Eco-terrorism in fiction, WP:Articles for deletion/Earth in science fiction (2nd nomination), WP:Articles for deletion/Space stations and habitats in fiction, WP:Articles for deletion/Supernovae in fiction, WP:Articles for deletion/Neptune in fiction, WP:Articles for deletion/Genies in popular culture (2nd nomination), WP:Articles for deletion/Battle of Thermopylae in popular culture, and WP:Articles for deletion/Loch Ness Monster in popular culture (2nd nomination) for other articles I've rewritten in prose form during AfD discussions. As for tertiary sources and notability, there was a discussion on that topic about a year ago that can now be found at WT:Notability/Archive 73#Tertiary sources. Anyway, I'll see how much I can expand it. Since the entry in The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction is roughly 1400 words and the section in All the Wonder that Would Be: Exploring Past Notions of the Future is roughly 800 words, I think this could work as a stand-alone article. I might change my mind and prefer merging it elsewhere when I'm done expanding. TompaDompa (talk) 21:14, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I'm always cautious about an edit that cuts an article down to a one line WP:DICTDEF without discussion. Your WP:BOLD cuts are taken in good faith and I agree with them, but I'm left with something that would be redirected to time travel, and it feels close enough to deletion that a discussion felt like a better idea. Thanks for attempting a WP:TNT, and an expansion might address the AFD issues, or at least get it into a mergeable state. Just remember that notability calls for secondary sources, not WP:TERTIARY. Jontesta (talk) 20:34, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment This could go a couple ways. If a time viewer is, as one source puts it , "a passive form of time machine" it could be redirected to become a subsection of time machine, or if a literary context is the primary focus, List of time travel in fiction. If real life claims of time viewing are the focus, it could be a subsection of Time travel claims and urban legends. - LuckyLouie (talk) 21:03, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- Merge to Time travel or another more suitable article, unless the rewrite proves to be substantial enough to make a merge not needed. Currently too small to need to exist on its own. TTN (talk) 22:15, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. The article has been significantly rewritten since nomination and many of the above comments. I added the Category:Fictional technology at bottom. 5Q5| 11:45, 27 July 2022 (UTC)