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I wouldn't be surprised a proper article could be written on this topic. This unreferenced list, however, fails WP:IPC, WP:NLIST, WP:GNG and merits WP:TNT. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:34, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Popular culture, and Lists. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:34, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
• Delete obvious WP:TNT, just a list of lists without any discussion whatsoever Dronebogus (talk) 09:44, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
• Delete As above, a 'list of lists', no content, no context. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:48, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
• Keep, there's nothing wrong with a list of lists, though the article should be called "List of..." and introduced as such. Lists of lists, like outlines, are standard navigation constructs on Misplaced Pages. This one logically groups Middle Ages lists by period, so it is also untrue that it provides no context; but context can readily be fixed by editing, and is no reason for deletion either. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:34, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

  @Chiswick Chap So how would you like to rename this? List of lists of topics related to Middle Ages and popular culture? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:39, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

  As currently framed, that would be in the right direction, if rather wordy. But I agree with Chagropango that the topic as named now is notable in itself, as serious authors like Tom Shippey have discussed it, indeed there is no shortage of WP:RS available. Actually I might remind everybody that notability is not a product of how well or badly an article is put together, but of the subject itself, i.e. how far it has attracted scholars and others to write about it. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:39, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

• Keep. This is a subject with great potential which could fall under the field of historiography. Depictions of the middle ages often either portray the period as an idealized period of fantasy and chivalry or a time of absolute misery and oppression, and there are often underlying motives behind these narratives which have notable discussion in academic discourse. For example, The Middle Ages in Popular Imagination: Memory, Film and Medievalism by Paul B. Sturtevant might be a good starting point.

The current form may not justify an article, but this information could be a useful addendum and reference point for an eventual expanded version of the article, so I think it makes sense to keep it and instead call for improvement and expansion. Chagropango (talk) 11:35, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

• Delete: WP:TNT. Christ almighty another one of these. These (historical topic in popular culture) articles could be genuinely good articles if they were written well, but completely worthless in their current state. Curbon7 (talk) 11:56, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

  I disagree with the notion that this should become a list article. I think this and several others in the same vein that have come to AfD, such as Japanese mythology in popular culture, would be very high-quality when written in prose. Curbon7 (talk) 16:16, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

  Indeed. As I noted in the OP, this is potentially a topic of a solid prose article, based on multiple RS. But potential is not enough when the current mess is a textbook case of WP:TNT. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 16:33, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

• Probably delete -- This is a list article, but even then a poor one. It would need to be something like List of modern popular culture topics related to the Middle Ages. It should exclude items like Knight errant, which are primarily topics of medieval literature. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:20, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
• Delete: Just an arbitrary list pointing to other lists   Kadzi   (talk) 19:38, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
• Delete - The article is useless in its current state. Even if there is potential for a prose article, there's nothing here to use as a springboard for improvement. Start from scratch in the main article. TTN (talk) 22:37, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
• Keep, as a perfectly reasonable, navigational set index article. SailingInABathTub ~~🛁~~ 01:54, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

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