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New issues with Newspapers.com

@Netoholic: I have left you a message on the Library Platform my Application History. Newspaper.com was only a 3-month renewal. Strange. I see by the multiple threads above, that we are having subscription/renewal issues with Newspapers.com. Please advise. — Maile (talk) 19:37, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Netoholic: My Newspapers.com subscription expired sometime yesterday. I've requested a renewal on the Library Platform. But why only three months at a time, now? — Maile (talk) 01:14, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

That's weird, because I renewed in March also and mine came thru as 1 year. Could be a typo or something on their part. You should get a renewal in a couple days. Let me know if its not 1 year. -- Netoholic @ 06:22, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

• @Netoholic: This really gets old. As of today, I cannot access the newspaper.com site, not through my normal account, nor through the Misplaced Pages Library. Lana at Newspapers.com Support emailed me on June 30 that my subscription was extended for a year. It was working yesterday. But as of today, although I can access all other subscriptions through the Library Platform, this one insists I go to the application. And the application tells me it was "sent to partner" on June 30, but no record of anything else. Please get this fast tracked. Thank you.

Alright, I just got in through my original account Newspaper.com by signing in there from scratch. But going through the Misplaced Pages Library Platform does not allow me access. — Maile (talk) 01:43, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Thats correct. Newspapers.com doesn't work like many other Misplaced Pages Library resources. It requires you to be logged in on Newspapers.com, the WL link is really just a redirect to their website. -- Netoholic @ 02:13, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! That explains it, then. I need to log like I always did. — Maile (talk) 02:23, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Ancestry.com membership not working

Hello! Recently, my application for the Ancestry.com World Explorer membership was approved, and I was emailed login details for my account, with which I was successfully able to log in. However, the account is only has a "registered guest" membership and not the World Explorer membership that is listen on the Misplaced Pages Library. I tried calling Ancestry.com tech support and they had no idea about the Misplaced Pages Library, much less on how to help me. I know there are previous discussions about this, but no one seems to be having this specific issue. Any help here? Thanks in advance! AgeOfPlastic (talk) 23:49, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Discussion about better navigation to partner search links

Readers of this page may be interested in a discussion taking place about providing better access to partner direct search links, by means of a configurable nav box with links that go straight to the partner search page (or even to the partner's search result page, under parametric control). Please see Template talk:TWLJ#Reimagine as direct access nav box. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 01:09, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

JSTOR access is being limited

For months I've been able to access and download articles from JSTOR. For no reason I can determine, I'm now back on a limited access basis, meaning I can access up to 100 articles per month but I can only view them online, not as downloaded pdf's. With that, I'm now uncertain about my status as a WP Library user. I recall signing up, but none of the particulars.

How do I determine if I'm in fact registered? I'd also appreciate feedback on my access to JSTOR. Thank you. Allreet (talk) 01:18, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

In fishing around a bit, I was able to access JSTOR through the Library's listing. This provides me with the download feature, so generally speaking I'm okay with that. The downside is that for months I was able to navigate directly to JSTOR, which I do frequently. Apparently, I'm now going to have to go through an additional step. Does anybody know why or how this changed? Allreet (talk) 01:24, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Going through the Library's listing loads the oclc.org proxy. If you log into jstor.org with a username/password (if the Library still supplies one), you won't need the proxy. czar 02:59, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

@Allreet: As Czar explained, the only way for websites like JSTOR to know you're a Misplaced Pages editor and accessing via the library is to go to https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/, sign in, and click the 'Access Collection' button under the relevant entry. You'll then be routed via the IP proxy, so that JSTOR can know where you've come from and that you should have access :) Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 12:52, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

@Czar and@Samwalton9 (WMF). What's strange is that I was able to access JSTOR articles without going through the library for 2-3 months. So I was surprised yesterday to find I was back on the 100-articles-a-month plan. I'm sure there's an explanation for how that happened, but I don't need to know. Thanks. Allreet (talk) 15:21, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Allreet My very untechnically-oriented experience is that when I search google, I get and can access Jstor without signing in as long as the Wiki-Library has not decided to arbitrarily sign me off of the library. I do not know why this happens, as I do not get signed out of Misplaced Pages, only the library, repeatedly. If I sign back in to the library, the Jstor access returns without limits until the WPLibrary signs me out again. I assumed this only happened to me because I am in Mexico. I also get weird messages from time to time from EBSCO host that I must sign into their international channel because the WP version is only for North America (um, like someone doesn't really understand geography). If I sign out and back in, the problem goes away. (At least once a year I have to have newspaperarchive.com "whitewash" (whatever that is) my account or I cannot access it.) In spite of the occasional issues, I am still thankful to have access to sources I would not be able to use otherwise. SusunW (talk) 16:05, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

SusunW: Well, that explains most everything. You may be untechnically-oriented but practical results are equally valuable. I was a technical writer for a software company for 20 years and my only background was as a writer, which turned out to be more useful in what I did than a knowledge of coding. The main difference: I was paid considerably less. Drat. I just tried JSTOR directly and I'm again being recognized without going through the Library. Now I understand why. Thanks. Allreet (talk) 18:14, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Allreet Glad to be able to help and glad that worked for you. Again, I don't know why that log-off thing happens, but as long as I have a solution, I'm happy. SusunW (talk) 19:44, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

@Allreet, the 100-article limit means that you're using a standard JSTOR account, i.e., anyone can sign up for JSTOR and have that limit.

There are two ways to access JSTOR through the Misplaced Pages Library: with and without a proxy. A proxy is what changes your web address from jstor.com to www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org—it's routing your traffic through oclc.org to get to JSTOR. When you browse to jstor.org via Google, you won't have the proxy and will need to sign in with a JSTOR account. Your access will depend on whether that JSTOR account is attached to the the Misplaced Pages Library (unlimited views) or unattached (standard 100-view limit).

When you use the proxy by browsing via the Misplaced Pages Library link, there is no need to log in, as JSTOR already knows you're coming from an approved site. (This is how most college access works.) If you log in with your account to the proxy, you will likely need to do it each time because the proxy won't remember and either way it won't bring you extra benefit.

Something I recommend is to download the free/open source citation manager Zotero, which not only helps export and format citations into Misplaced Pages house style, but also has a web browser plug-in that will detect that you like using the oclc.org proxy and will ask you whether you want to transfer to the proxy whenever you browse to regular jstor.org in the future. This will make sure you're always browsing with access and will save some confusion over how to get back to the article by backtracking via the Misplaced Pages Library interface.

That's the gist (in broad strokes/the details might be a little off). Hope it helps. czar 21:53, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Excellent information. I'll download Zotero per your recommendation. I now understand the proxy piece of this including how I ended up again on JSTOR's "100 article plan" and how to avoid it. All shows it never hurts to ask. Actually, information like this should be made available to all new up-and-coming editors: grist for an online course? In any case, I limped along for years without any JSTOR and Internet Archive access, thinking it was closed to individual non-subscribers. Of course, the Library itself was a great discovery as well. Live and learn. Thanks. Allreet (talk) 22:25, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

How does one go about suggesting a source to be added?

How can we reach out to folks running Misplaced Pages Library, so that they in turn reach out to archives/databases and such and ask them to join? There are some niche but useful paywalled archives I'd love to see added to the WL. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

@Piotrus: You can click 'Suggest a collection' to navigate to https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/suggest/, where we're collecting suggestions :) Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 11:37, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Cool. Ping User:BOZ - if you can figure out how to request Pyramid content, we can ask there. The problem is I am not sure they even offer a subscription, just pdfs for sale... could still ask WL to ask them to give as a "free" account (with pre-purchased archival stuff?)? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:24, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

If you're actually "collecting" suggestions on that page, then please moderate it for the love of god... The abundance of duplicates, copyvio site suggestions, and sites that are already in the library makes you go "Clearly no one's seeing this, why bother" and feel stupid to participate. Nardog (talk) 11:09, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Is there a way to find out if Nederlands Soortenregister  is a partner in the project? Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 11:12, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Unpaywall – Find free versions of paywalled articles instantly

Unpaywall is a browser extension for Firefox, Chrome, and (inserting my plug here for the best browser out there:) Vivaldi, which places a little open padlock icon onto the paywalled page of the journal article you are interested in, and all you have to do is click it to access the free version of the article. If there's a free version out there, Unpaywall will find it; if not, it places a gray, locked icon on the paywalled journal article page. Techcrunch review here. (Mentioned before at TWL, but pretty much buried.) Try it out, it will save you tons of time searching for a free version of articles you are interested in. Mathglot (talk) 22:12, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

NewspaperArchive.com

Is something up with this partnership? I noticed that links to clippings there don't seem to be working--they landed me at a login page that didn't accept my current saved credentials (which usually work, I've used the site within the past week). When I checked "My Applications" at TWL, it doesn't show any past record of subscribing or renewing (which I know I've done annually for a while). BUT, weirdest twist yet, I can login by using the "access collection" button at TWL. But if use clippings from there, will anyone be able to access them? Doesn't seem like this will work for citations as it stands. Penny Richards (talk) 21:17, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Penny Richards, it's moved to no longer require applications; everyone who meets the minimum requirements has access automatically. You should still be able to go through Access Collection to save clippings - is that working for you? (You might need to strip out the proxy from the clippings link to make it accessible to everyone). Nikkimaria (talk) 03:13, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

I'll play with it. Good to know it's not just me, anyway, so thank you! Penny Richards (talk) 05:56, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

De Gruyter

Greetings!

I am still new to the Misplaced Pages Library, but shouldn't De Gruyter Journals be part of the collection?

I am trying to access the following source, but can't find my way to access the article anywhere:

Kearns, C. M. (2022). 7 Irigaray’s Between East and West Breath, Pranayama, and the Phenomenology of Prayer. Fordham University Press. https://doi.org/10.1515/9780823293148-008

Thanks a lot in advance to you good folks!

Cheers! Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 15:29, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Jayaguru-Shishya, try here. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:10, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Newspaper archive page results redirecting to paper's home page

I have recently noticed that various newspaper archive links are redirecting to the newspaper's home page.

These pages are found via a Google search. But clicking on the link brings you to the homepage rather than the archived story. No Google cache seems to be available. And the pages are often not archived by the Internet Archive.

For example:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1993-11-16-9311160038-story.html
https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1998-10-26-1998299087-story.html

These newspapers both appear to be owned by Alden Global Capital and/or Digital First Media, if that's the problem. Note `ct-xpm` and `bs-xpm` in common in the URL slugs.

Is there any way to disable this redirect? Is anyone involved with the Misplaced Pages Library and/or Newspapers knowledgeable about this problem or able to alert the newspapers to this issue? Any better place on Misplaced Pages to post this question?

PK-WIKI (talk) 19:19, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

PK-WIKI, both of those links for me resolve to an actual article rather than the newspaper's home page - is it possible there is something unique to your setup that is causing the redirection? Or maybe the issue was temporary? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:09, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

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