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| *'''Delete''' because as I saw all references are to armenian sources and one iranian source, which uses the word Arran instead our official and OURS name Azerbaijan thus showing that it is completely biased and prejudiced. And coming to the video, It is not completely evident that those people are Azerbaijanis, it can be a constructed scene and imitation, how many times we have met such fake videos? I have watched that film from youtube, it must be viewed by a professional video master in order to be examined. I think this dispute should be solved by so simple procedure, Armenian MFa should ask any Internatioanl organisation and that organisation should conduct an official investigation with the Azeri and Armenian MFAs and if they can find any proof that that destruction was done , then please. ] 19:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC) | *'''Delete''' because as I saw all references are to armenian sources and one iranian source, which uses the word Arran instead our official and OURS name Azerbaijan thus showing that it is completely biased and prejudiced. And coming to the video, It is not completely evident that those people are Azerbaijanis, it can be a constructed scene and imitation, how many times we have met such fake videos? I have watched that film from youtube, it must be viewed by a professional video master in order to be examined. I think this dispute should be solved by so simple procedure, Armenian MFa should ask any Internatioanl organisation and that organisation should conduct an official investigation with the Azeri and Armenian MFAs and if they can find any proof that that destruction was done , then please. ] 19:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Comment''' - Grandmaster you don't get a vote first of all, second these are all Turks so obviously they would want this deleted.] 19:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC) | *'''Comment''' - Grandmaster you don't get a vote first of all, second these are all Turks so obviously they would want this deleted.] 19:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Keep''' This article should not be deleted because it is very informative including the pictures and it is also fully sourced. The only reason that this article was listed for deletion by user Grandmaster is because currently there is a conflict between Armenian-Azerbaijani users and lot of edit waring in many Armenian-Azerbaijani related pages. This is a type of retaliation agains Armenian users and Armenian related articles, which I think is not the right thing to do by retaliating each other. ] 21:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Khachkar destruction
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This article is a POV fork for Nakhichevan. Grandmaster 12:34, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- Keep - How is it a POV fork? this article describes the destruction of Khachkars, those images are clear proof, this is located there but it is different, silliness. Artaxiad 12:36, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. This issue is addressed in Nakhichevan and Julfa articles, this is a POV fork. Grandmaster 12:41, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- Delete or significantly ammend. For example, this POV page does not include the important article from a leading Armenian HETQ magazine - about Armenians' destroying their own khachkars and cultural heritage -- and since the Hetq story compares this to khachkar (cross-stones or head-stones, common to Armenians and Caucasian Albanians of the region) destruction in Naxcivan, it was relevant.
What is interesting, there are more admissions of khachkars being destroyed by Armenians themselves, especially around their capital of Yerevan -- for example, at this specialized khachkar website -
"Endangered Khachkars in Armenia and Artsakh It is particularly tragic that khachkars are also endangered in Armenia and Artsakh. They are disappearing, being damaged or moved. Most endangered are the old khachkar fields located near today’s graveyards, where khachkars are being eradicated for the creation of new burial space. The “crown of thorns” belongs to the khachkar field in Arinch near Yerevan. The situation is threatening in Noratus as well, where new burials are encroaching upon the khachkar field from at least three sides. The old graveyard of Areni is in almost the same situation. The movement of khachkars voluntarily by different individuals is a widespread practice. In some cases this is done to allegedly create a new holy place, for example, the case of Karmir Dalakner of Gegharquniq region where the khachkar was brought from Karvachar. Another case of moved khachkars is due to the decoration of new offices and especially entertainment establishments, as for example in the Vank village in Karabakh. The third and the most condemning practice is when khachkars are merely disappearing to decorate individual yards and houses. Khachkars are being damaged also by believers, worshipers and casual visitors, who light candles on them or write their names on them or engage in rituals that are damaging the carvings." See gallery of photos here -
Moreover, the destruction of cultural heritage (or Cultural Genocide, as some Armenians dubbed it) in Armenia, like elsewhere, has reached dangerous proportions and led to many protests both in press and in streets -- , , , and
Hence, if the Armenian and pro-Armenian view on destruction of khachkars by allegedly Azerbaijanis and allegedly in Naxcivan is to be included, then a contrarian view should be included too -- not just Azerbaijan's denial of wrongdoing by the government, but Armenians' own admission of breaking, destroying and otherwise mishandling their own khachkars on their own territory. --AdilBaguirov 13:02, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- Indeed, if the article is about destruction of khackars in general, it should include info on such destruction in Armenia, if it is to be limited to Nakhichevan, it is POV fork. Grandmaster 13:10, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- Keep Fully sourced, verifiable and extremely notable. In the top 5 of the biggest Armenian related stories of last year.-- Ευπάτωρ 13:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 14:14, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- Delete This subject should be dealt in pages related to Nagorno-Karabakh War and in complex with other issues, for example, the destruction of Azerbaijani cultural heritage on occupied Azerbaijani territories. Thus the balance approach will be provided for. Moreover, issue of Khachkar has been already addressed on some other pages.--Dacy69 16:27, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- Delete because as I saw all references are to armenian sources and one iranian source, which uses the word Arran instead our official and OURS name Azerbaijan thus showing that it is completely biased and prejudiced. And coming to the video, It is not completely evident that those people are Azerbaijanis, it can be a constructed scene and imitation, how many times we have met such fake videos? I have watched that film from youtube, it must be viewed by a professional video master in order to be examined. I think this dispute should be solved by so simple procedure, Armenian MFa should ask any Internatioanl organisation and that organisation should conduct an official investigation with the Azeri and Armenian MFAs and if they can find any proof that that destruction was done , then please. Elsanaturk 19:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - Grandmaster you don't get a vote first of all, second these are all Turks so obviously they would want this deleted.Artaxiad 19:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- Keep This article should not be deleted because it is very informative including the pictures and it is also fully sourced. The only reason that this article was listed for deletion by user Grandmaster is because currently there is a conflict between Armenian-Azerbaijani users and lot of edit waring in many Armenian-Azerbaijani related pages. This is a type of retaliation agains Armenian users and Armenian related articles, which I think is not the right thing to do by retaliating each other. ROOB323 21:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)