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De facto, de jure

Sovereign state#De facto and de jure states This mostly uncited section (only specific examples are cited) seems ORish. It is a subsection of Recognition so one can assume it is referring to de facto and de jure recognition.

Example: "However, states which are only de jure states are sometimes recognised as being the legitimate government of a territory over which they have no actual control."

State recognition is not the same thing as government recognition. Selfstudier (talk) 17:47, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

The defacto v. dejure state language can be found in virtually any textbook on statehood.XavierGreen (talk) 20:39, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Then there will be no difficulty in providing a citation.(de jure/de facto recognition, de jure/de facto sovereignty, de jure/de facto annexation, even de facto state is a recognizable short form for unrecognized states but de jure state seems duplicative, since states are of course legal if they are states. Selfstudier (talk) 20:59, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Recognition de jure means that the entity fully satisfies the applicable legal criteria; recognition de facto is only of the current position of the entity, and is therefore usually provisional, although it can last for a long time.

De facto recognition is a provisional form of recognition...may be withdrawn...does not as a rule, bring about either full diplomatic intercourse or the conferment of diplomatic immunity

As a result, the Baltic states claimed, their existence was terminated only de facto, but continued to exist de jure. CMD (talk) 23:55, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

The first two are about recognition de jure/de facto, I don't have a problem with those. The third one is a special case referring to the Baltic states claim of continuing de jure existence following alleged illegal annexation. What I am really looking for is a general discussion of de facto/de jure states as implied by the section title, it is less easy to find such in standard references. The section needs fixing up, I will give some thought to how to do it. Selfstudier (talk) 09:58, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

The Baltics were the first one to come to mind regarding de jure states that aren't de facto. Another example that springs to mind is failed states. But you are correct that they are relatively uncommon cases, especially so in the very structured post-WWII world. CMD (talk) 11:14, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

There are several other cases throughout history, such as the various Allied aligned governments of states annexed by Nazi Germany during World War Two, the Sovereign Military Order of Malta (although it now no longer claims to be a "state") and some examples during the Napoleonic Era as well.XavierGreen (talk) 21:46, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose merging Westphalian sovereignty into Sovereign state. I think the content in Westphalian sovereignty can easily be explained in the context of sovereign state. None of the current articles are of great quality, and perhaps they stray into content of each other. The "State extinction", "Westphalian sovereignty" and "Ontological status of the state" sections are overlapping with Westphalian sovereignty article very much. 145.15.244.234 (talk) 15:56, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Oppose Not a good idea. 2001:8003:913E:5D01:2422:BF9A:7157:BB6A (talk) 22:08, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Relating to Soverign state in this current day and it’s implied vs real powers

I question the authenticity of the power and magnitude of the types of agreements, partnerships and liabilities that have been established under sovereignty law as they are being. Actively breached to the point were human rights in a first world country are being mocked and refused acknowledgement by statutory bodies namely law enforcement and financial institutions as well as governmental bodies , yet of no consequence due to the abuse of power being the cause for the breach of the recognition of human rights. However do we even have a society anymore if the majority are allowing it to become legally acceptable to refuse a human access to their own finances, therefore rendering them incapable of supporting or providing for themselves for no legitimate reason other than a refusal to acknowledge their worth as a human in being able to survive by means of paying their way with the valuables and or assets which may or may not convert into transactable currency in the presumption that currency holds no separation of class, and no human is unworthy of possessing or maintaining ownership of an intangible or inanimate object for the purposes of using for barter, trading, or if acceptable, as currency therefore meaning a genuinely uniform and measurable and widelyspread accepted common payment form, exclusive to all and withheld from none under unilaterally binding and acknowledged international basic human rights laws? Australia as of 07-11-2022 has admitted openly to not acknowledging these principles, has refused to provide assistance to a banking customers own accounts in ma emergency situation has denied the customer access for over 5 months to their own cleared funds, has openly admitted no legal basis forms the basis or makes up for any part of the decision making process in allowing the customer to continue to hold accounts within their financial institution, however repeatedly refuse to allow the funds which are not of any wrongful or suspicious nature, and are physically cleared funds in the customers own account, for no reason that they see fit to formatively decide upon as a reason justifying why, they are refusing to allow a customer to close their accounts, access their funds, receive any form of alternate financial assistance, and refuse to inform the customer as to why this is their decision, they do not care that they have not taken any consideration for their own ethical codes of practise, published t&cs, pds statements, financial practices or banking codes of practise and repeatedly accuse the customer fragrantly, of being criminally involved in activities that are not occurring within real life . Legal basis is non existant and the customer is not able to be financially assisted whatsoever, therefore it breaches human rights to withhold their own funds from them for no specific reason, knowing they have no other support or viable options that will be afforded to them in order to assist with essentials such as utilities, safe accommodation, financial assistance to buy or pay for bills, transportation, daily expenses, food or sustenance requirements, all of which are fundamentally established practices upon which humans have built their ways to survive and all of which require payment in the form of legal tender - therefore if it is okay to tell a person in a first world country that they are not worthy of being allowed access to their own assets as a means to survive, do we have a issue of 1st world country refusing basic human rights, or is it possible to be a human yet so disgusting and so stupid that you are no longer worth allowing the priveliges such as allowing you to have assets, or to shower, or to buy food with legal tender or valid currency , because simply put, not one other human on the face of this earth wishes for you to survive but no one is slack enough to be the one to forcibly physically end your life as that In itself would be worth payment, and payment is something that you have no right to because you are too disgusting to allow to be using ocygen from this earth anymore and if we had known then we would have made sure you never were created because humans have decided that you may be a human, but you’re not worth allowing to survive?? 49.195.17.162 (talk) 19:11, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

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