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Terror organisation

Even though Left-wing and muslim organisations are much closer to the definition of what most regard as terrorists organisations those are not labeled as such by wiki. This is inconsistent and therefore the label terrorist organisation should be removed or terrorist organisation prefixed to all those other organisations as well including BLM.

NMR has openly taken responsibility for those terrorist acts. For a week they terrified a small Jewish Comunity in Umeå, they bombed a refuge center all while NMR claimed responsibility. They are a terror organization. They are as much a terror organization as Revolutionary Front or Antifa. They use violence as a political tool, and most often when someone does that... they are often a terrorist. They terrify people til's their silence. BLM's riot is often violent but those are riots, not coordinated attacks. --Der under Smurf (talk) 12:57, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

References

1. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vasterbotten/efter-hot-fran-nazister-judiska-foreningen-lagger-ner
2. https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/7rx2w/nazister-doms-till-fangelse-for-bombdaden-i-goteborg

Do you have any citation for the NRM claiming responsibility? 2001:1BA8:120C:D700:5E2A:93E6:8546:53B5 (talk) 23:12, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Combine?

Perhaps the articles about the Swedish Resistance Movement, Finnish Resistance Movement and Norwegian Resistance Movement should be combined. At least the Finnish organization is obviously subservient to the Swedish organization. Opfinland (talk) 03:12, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Merge from Neo-Nazi attack in Kärrtorp 2013

Neo-Nazi attack in Kärrtorp 2013 is a brief article that describes the actions of this group. I think it could probably be easily merged into this article. Relevant guidelines would include WP:GNG and WP:EVENT. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 00:20, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

• Support: Excellent idea. Despite the news coverage, Neo-Nazi attack in Kärrtorp 2013 is not independently notable (WP:NOTNEWS). --Randykitty (talk) 07:34, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
• Support Event has not received coverage beyond a relatively short news cycle. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 05:01, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

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Error can somone please move this to original to Nordic Resistance Movement? 95.128.118.58 (talk) 13:09, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

 Done. Take care with that move button! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:33, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

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Merge from Finnish Resistance Movement

Article merged: See old talk-page here

I have merged the article of Finnish branch of this organization into this article as there is no substantial difference in these two articles other than the part listing the violent incidences where Finnish branch has been a party of. Country branches are exact copies of the parent organization and there is no reason to have individual articles at the moment. ViperFace (talk) 00:55, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Ideologies

@User:Dannis243 I have reverted your edit. See their 9-point program where the point 3 specifically states: "Create a Nordic self-sufficient state with a common military, common currency and central bank, as well as common overarching laws." Their goal is the most extreme form of Pan-Scandinavianism, a single state consisting of current

Sources about NRM as a party

It's clearly a party. I'm pressed for time because of Christmas and job committments, but I'll put some WP:RS here for future use by me or others. Sorry, but they're all in Swedish.

1. TV channel calls them a "party"
2. They are registered as a party with the Swedish Election Authority (seek "Nordiska motståndsrörelsen")
3. A member (Per Öberg) has a seat in Ludvika municipality, but as a write-in candidate on a Sweden Democrats mandate. Sjö (talk) 07:28, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Item 3 suggests that they are NOT a party, as the term is usually understood; members of parties do not typically run for office as members of another party. MarkBernstein (talk) 17:53, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

He didn't. The Sweden Democrats won more seats than they had candidates on the ballot in that municipality. The Swedish election law allowed anyone to write any name on their ballot. A couple of people (who may or may not be from NRM)did that and gave Öberg a seat in the municipal council. The source was not to show that NRM is a party, but more as a comment on the statement that NRM has a seat. NRM doesn't, it's SD that has the seat.

Re: the "party" designation, there are several reliable sources calling them a party, but I think that the official registration for election would be enough.

Another thing. There are a number of unreliable sources in the article right now. Among the the Knights Templar Europe, the Daily Mail and various right-wing sources that should be avioded for statements of fact, but can be acceptabele as sources for what the organization says about itself. I don't support the uncritical restoration of those sources. Sjö (talk) 09:05, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

You people are just unable to read, aren't you? http://www.esisc.org/publications/briefings/radicalization-polarization-and-xenophobia-the-growing-influence-of-the-nordic-resistance-movement-in-sweden-and-finland <- " Indeed, since 2015 the NRM has been a registered political party in Sweden." https://www.dn.se/nyheter/politik/kupp-ger-nazister-sd-mandat/ <- When NRM got a seat in Ludvika. Or see the multiple videos were the Nordic Resistance Movement is represented on a municipality council? (They have 2 seats. One in Borlänge, another in Ludvika. The following videos are from Ludvika, with NRM's spokesman, legal advisor and parliamentary leader - Pär Öberg - is sitting on the Ludvika Municipality Council) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQDk192pT10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-VRZwxcHU4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKcM1IPt9cY It's bad enough that you're deciding to remove this info from the article, but it's even worse that you're removing just about 50% of the page (most of which is confirmed correct information), such as the leaders, founding years, sites, its activity in Norway, its headquarters (They are NOT headquartered in Stockholm. They are headquarted in Grängesberg), its key ideologies (such as Pan-Nordism), its banning date in Finland, its secretary, its merging organizations, its political position, its activity in Denmark and Iceland (though I am by no means saying it has been established in these countries), its recent activity (most notably its demonstrations), the list just goes on and on and on. GaiusoftheJulii (talk) 20:07, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm as surprised as GaiusoftheJulii that an experienced editor removes sourced information. There is no doubt that it's registered as a party and that there are reliable sources calling it a party to mention a few. However, the party has also been described as the "parliamentary branch" of the movement , a description also used by the NRM . A reasonable compromise is IMO to use the phrasing from the Swedish article that says "a far-right Nordic militant nazi organisation and a political party". I think, with that change and a source for Grängesberg , GaiusoftheJulii's edits should be restored. Sjö (talk) 07:50, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

The only question here is about which infobox is more appropriate to use. The NRM operates in 5 countries, and is only a registered politicial party in one of them. That means that "infobox organization" is the more appropriate infobox than "infobox political party". If GofJ wants to re-add the information using the correct infobox, I have no objection, but he needs to stop changing the infobox to one which is misleading in regards to the NRM as a whole. Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:11, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

I have restored the edits with the exception of the infobox. Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:16, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

@Beyond My Ken: There could be two infoboxes on top of eachother, one for the organization itself, and another for the party. Looking at past revisions, it was like this before (with the exception of the mistake that both of these were party infoboxes) GaiusoftheJulii (talk) 17:19, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

A party is an organisation, so one, general infobox "Organisation" is better suited for the article. K.e.coffman (talk) 19:12, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Redirect of Simon Lindberg

I restored the redirect of Simon Lindberg to this article with this edit. The subject is not independently notable of his org; hence the redirect. In addition, the article was expanded from a redirect by a banned sock: Special:Contributions/WikiHeathen. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:15, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Objection to the usage of the term "National Socialist" as it relates to NPOV and encyclopedic tone

"National Socialist" in reference to neo-Nazism seems to be a politically correct version for the name used primarily and perhaps exclusively by actual neo-Nazis and subscribers of closely related ideologies like national anarchism. The tone reminds me of the speech of the various neo-Nazis that I've encountered online rather than an encyclopedia, and that is not what WP wants in an article (see doublespeak and jargon). This page appears to be heavily written by a legitimate member of the Nordic Resistance Movement under several confirmed sockpuppets, so my concerns aren't necessarily unwarranted here. It could also potentially inhibit the reader's understanding unnecessarily, as not everybody knows the actual meaning of National Socialism.

As an alternative, we could use the term "neo-Nazi" instead: it doesn't seem like using that term is considered a breach of NPOV (it could be considered to be anti-Nazi because of its historical origins, but apparently not to a great enough deal that it's disallowed), as it can be found in the lead sections of Unite the Right rally where it describes some protesters as neo-Nazis, Metapedia in the quote "which contains far-right, identitarian ... and neo-Nazi points of view", as well as Don Black § Stormfront, and I'm sure in many other articles as well. Would it therefore be appropriate to replace "National Socialist" and its variations with "neo-Nazi", "Nazi", or some other word with less positive or sympathetic connotations? Snorepion (talk) 04:34, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

I have no objection to replacing "National Socialism" with "Neo-Nazism" is most circumstances. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:03, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

It's neo-nazism as it's after 1945. // Liftarn (talk) 08:42, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Even National Socialism is a redirect to Nazism, so definitely. Doug Weller talk 08:47, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

And Nazism#Post–war Nazism points to the main article Neo-Nazism which shows that neo-Nazism is the preferred term on Misplaced Pages for the movements that are active today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjö (talk • contribs) 04:21, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Would it not be a better idea to have their position on the political possition be "Far-right to Alt-right" or "Alt-right to Neo-nazisem" instead of just "Far-right"? --Los Perros pueden Cocinar (talk) 17:51, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

HTTPS

The problem with using HTTPS is that it messes up the formatting of websites. 85.167.120.156 (talk) 11:25, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

You should address this concern to the editor making the change from http to https. Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:12, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Ing rune and reliable sources

The Ing rune was recently added to the infobox, and i asked for a citation as I have only ever seen their logo referred to as the Týr or Tyr rune. Even in articles about the Tyr rune in their logo the Ing rune isn't mentioned and the Ing rune isn't in Expo's list of far-right symbols .

However, I found on NRM's website Nordfront an article that has a quote from their handbook: "Den samlade symbolen för Nordiska motståndsrörelsen är Riksrunan (symbolen för det nya Nordiska riket). Symbolen består av en Tyrruna och en Ingruna." (The common symbol for the Nordic Resistance Movement is the Realm rune (the symbol of the new Nordic realm). The symbol is comprised of a Tyr rune and an Ing rune.)

Considering that Nordfront is a self-published source, is that link considered a reliable source for the runes in the logo? Sjö (talk) 07:16, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

If the Nordfront is in some way connected to the NRM, then its statements about (essentially) itself are usable, although nothing else from it would be. Beyond My Ken (talk) 14:10, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Done. Sjö (talk) 05:02, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Only Northern European?

The Misplaced Pages article says they follow a Romanian, Corneliu Codreanu. That is not northern european. Someone explain please. 47.201.190.53 (talk) 18:53, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

It does not say that they "follow him", it says that they have praised his writings. Do you imagine that they would only pay attention to the writings and ideologies of northern Europeans? Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:11, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Their nine points use this wording: of Northern European or of closely related descent.47.201.190.53 (talk) 03:10, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Which has nothing whatsoever to do with the question you asked. nor is Romanian in any respect "closely related" to "Northern European", so I don't have a clue what you're on about. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:19, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

All Europeans are closely related. Read William Pierce he said it, and that explains why the NRM follows Codreanu. 47.201.190.53 (talk) 12:15, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

William Pierce is an expert on nothing. Your prejudices are exposed. Beyond My Ken (talk) 15:24, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

I am not defending Pierce, I am simply saying that this is the context in which the NRM uses the term of closely related descent.47.201.190.53 (talk) 15:20, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Status in Finland?

I was left a bit unclear on this group's status in Finland. The article says twice that it was banned and the ban was appealed, but there's no mention as to whether the appeals were successful or not. My impression is that they were and that the group is not banned any more, but I didn't want to make any changes without checking here. 46.233.112.13 (talk) 21:57, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

You shouldn;t add that information unless you have a citation from a reliable source to support it. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:48, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

The verdict has been appealed to the Supreme Court of Finland. The court hasn't decided yet if they will hear the case. This means that as of now the ban on NRM isn't in place. Sjö (talk) 05:33, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Wait, if the ban wasn't overturned, and the Supreme Court is deciding whether to hear the case, doesn't that mean that the ban is in place? That's how it works in the American legal system, anyway. Or did lower courts grant the appeal? Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:54, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

As the HBL source "The NRM can demonstrate in public..." says, the appeal means that for the NRM the ban isn't in place. Sjö (talk) 06:07, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

But why is that? There appears to be a hole in the progression of the story. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:10, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

IANAL, but in Finland, as a rule judgements can't be acted on until they win legal force (i.e. can't be appealed anymore) according to the Finnish Förvaltningslagen in Swedish/Hallintolaki in Finnish. This rule can be set aside by provisions in other laws. Sjö (talk) 17:14, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Interesting, thanks for that information. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:40, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Swedish page about Simon Lindberg redirects here

Shouldn't there be a separate article on Lindberg? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melaneas (talk • contribs) 14:27, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

You know what is NORDFRONT.SE

it's a neo nazi group in sweden Well I hope it will be banned neo nazi group.- Samiwikia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samiwikia (talk • contribs) 21:18, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Nordfront.se is the Swedish version of the NRM's online newspaper. It should not be mistaken for a separate far-right organization. Sjö (talk) 05:06, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Allies in infobox

There is a list of allies but no sources that support any alliance. IMO "allies" apply in a military conflict or when there is a formal agreement, e.g. a´n agreement of confidence and supply. Sharing an ideology should not count as an alliance, and it looks like all of those listed are not even neo-nazi organization. I will remove the entire list and hope that it will not be restored unless there are sources. Sjö (talk) 06:21, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

@Sjö: I did not feel that adding a source for each was necessary in the infobox as they are explained in the article (most in the Finnish section I worked on), but I will add sources and restore it then.RKT7789 (talk) 10:27, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

I have no problem with that if you have sources that show that they are allies. IMO e.g. appearing on the same website, selling books promoting something or having some members in common does not mean that two organizations are allies. Sjö (talk) 11:20, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect and unclear citation

Concerning the text “The NRM has been described as a terrorist organization due to their aim of abolishing democracy along with their paramilitary activities, weapons caches and connections to proscribed terrorist organizations such as the Russian Imperial Movement and National Action.” it is unclear which citation is associated with which of the claim. 23 and 24 does not make these claims, and 22 is behind a pay-wall so I have not read it, but from the little that is seen without paying, it does not address any of these claims. 2001:1BA8:120C:D700:5E2A:93E6:8546:53B5 (talk) 23:17, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

" but from the little that is seen without paying, it does not address any of these claims."

Really? the title of the article is "Terrorist researchers: "NMR definitely a terrorist group" and further states Swedish National Defense College considers it a terrorist organization. 23 also talks in length about NRM terrorism contacts and 22 talks about their contacts with the RIM that has been officially declared a terrorist organization. If these are not sufficient, NRM has been called to be banned as a terrorist organization by multiple elected representatives both in Scandinavia and USA (see: "Biden administration pressed by lawmaker to label white supremacists overseas as terrorists", "Neo-Nazis Must Go On Terror Blacklist, House Democrats Demand").RKT7789 (talk) 10:13, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

I meant the claims about “paramilitary activities, weapons caches ...”, not being described as a terrorit organization. 2001:1BA8:120C:D700:5E2A:93E6:8546:53B5 (talk) 20:52, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

They're likewise described in 22 and 24.RKT7789 (talk) 06:23, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Very (3+ years) outdated parts.

• Haakon Forwald has not been the leader of the Norwegian branch for three years, since he dropped out for the splinter group Nordisk styrka (Nordic strength). This is well reported and it already says so on his biography. It should be updated and the new leader should be listed.

• Further, the group is established in Denmark, that should be added.

• I also think we need to remove terms like "Swedish resistance movement" and "Norwegian resistance movement". As the leader Simon Lindberg writes:

"When a Finnish comrade joins the organization, he does not join the Finnish resistance movement but the Finnish branch of the Nordic resistance movement. When a Norwegian goes out and represents the organization in the media, he does not do so in the name of the Norwegian Resistance Movement, but in the name of the Norwegian branch of the Nordic Resistance Movement." Mårtensås (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2022 (UTC) Mårtensås (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

References

1. https://nordicresistancemovement.org/activist-days-2022-denmark/ maybe not a "reliable source" but it confirms it
2. https://motståndsrörelsen.se/2016/06/06/svenska-motstandsrorelsen-ar-dod-lange-leve-nordiska-motstandsrorelsen/

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Satanism?

First of all, the ONA footnote is simply wrong. The Temple of the Black Light/Misanthropic Luciferian Order is not an O9A current. There may be parallels but the differences are substantial. The MLO’s anti-cosmic Satanism rejects life and the cosmos as a whole as the term implies (obviously) but doesn’t dabble in politics like the Order of Nine Angles and Forwald after leaving the MLO in favor of paganism. The article lacks information on the NRM’s alleged connection to Satanism and therefore any good reasons for Category:Crimes involving Satanism or the occult and Category:Satanism and Nazism. The latter was recently removed from the article on Forwald for obvious reasons. --2003:F5:FF1C:E900:A556:9187:52D3:607B (talk) 14:50, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

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