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	I've noticed a few editors adding & removing this, for instance: etc.		I've noticed a few editors adding & removing this, for instance: etc.
	Can we please stop the slow edit war? If there's some reason to believe that the source is lying, or if there's some reason to believe that wikipedia shouldn't reflect what sources say, we can have that argument here on the talkpage. But I'm amazed that ] says it's "unsourced". Can you explain? The is right there. Is there a language barrier? Any Russia-related article is bound to attract some weird partisan editing, but this is just an article about an old van; surely the article can rely on a reliable source which covers the van industry. ] (]) 22:16, 31 October 2022 (UTC)		Can we please stop the slow edit war? If there's some reason to believe that the source is lying, or if there's some reason to believe that wikipedia shouldn't reflect what sources say, we can have that argument here on the talkpage. But I'm amazed that ] says it's "unsourced". Can you explain? The is right there. Is there a language barrier? Any Russia-related article is bound to attract some weird partisan editing, but this is just an article about an old van; surely the article can rely on a reliable source which covers the van industry. ] (]) 22:16, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

			:Thank you, my English is sufficient to understand the problem here, this is not a language barrier.
			:So far I have not been able to determine that a source was given during the respective edits. It was also not apparent that an existing reference should prove the statement. It would be helpful to write this in the edit summary next time to avoid any situations like this one.
			:The vehicle is not a simple copy of the 1986 Ford Transit, although they do resemble each other in various places in design. The first generation of the GAZelle does not use any of the original Ford engines and even a simple visual comparison shows that many body parts such as doors, bonnet, fenders and roof are not compatible with each other. There are detailed comparisons of the two vehicles in the Russian automotive press, like , which outline a number of other differences. For example, the dashboard and the arrangement of the instruments look completely different, different entrances were installed and the chassis was changed to adapt the vehicle to Russian needs and to get a higher ground clearance.
			:Most of this is highly obvious and already recognizable from images available through a simple Google search. A source claiming a plain copy seems somewhat unreliable. So, please, undo the edit by yourself. Regards, --] (]) 00:39, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

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Confusing lead

Ladies and gentlemen, I have an educated guess that GAZelles are similar to the later launched GAZ-2215/GAZ-2752 Sobol and GAZ-3310 Valdai line of vans and light trucks because Sobol and Valdai in fact belong to that line as well, don't they?

As for the last sentence in the lead, I don't get what exactly was renamed the "GAZelle Business". Was that the whole GAZelle line, or just one of its models? Happy GAZelling, Ukrained2012 (talk) 03:34, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Transit copy

I've noticed a few editors adding & removing this, for instance: etc. Can we please stop the slow edit war? If there's some reason to believe that the source is lying, or if there's some reason to believe that wikipedia shouldn't reflect what sources say, we can have that argument here on the talkpage. But I'm amazed that User:Druschba 4 says it's "unsourced". Can you explain? The source is right there. Is there a language barrier? Any Russia-related article is bound to attract some weird partisan editing, but this is just an article about an old van; surely the article can rely on a reliable source which covers the van industry. 51.194.217.168 (talk) 22:16, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, my English is sufficient to understand the problem here, this is not a language barrier.

So far I have not been able to determine that a source was given during the respective edits. It was also not apparent that an existing reference should prove the statement. It would be helpful to write this in the edit summary next time to avoid any situations like this one.

The vehicle is not a simple copy of the 1986 Ford Transit, although they do resemble each other in various places in design. The first generation of the GAZelle does not use any of the original Ford engines and even a simple visual comparison shows that many body parts such as doors, bonnet, fenders and roof are not compatible with each other. There are detailed comparisons of the two vehicles in the Russian automotive press, like this one, which outline a number of other differences. For example, the dashboard and the arrangement of the instruments look completely different, different entrances were installed and the chassis was changed to adapt the vehicle to Russian needs and to get a higher ground clearance.

Most of this is highly obvious and already recognizable from images available through a simple Google search. A source claiming a plain copy seems somewhat unreliable. So, please, undo the edit by yourself. Regards, --Druschba 4 (talk) 00:39, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

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