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Speedy deletion nomination of User:CPCnotCCP

Hello, and welcome to Misplaced Pages. A tag has been placed on User:CPCnotCCP requesting that it be speedily deleted from Misplaced Pages. This has been done under section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Misplaced Pages's goals. Please note that Misplaced Pages is not a free web hosting service. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time.

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Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --CPCnotCCP (talk) 08:58, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

I think that the about me section clearly spells out my opinions and it relays my intention of putting the requests through properly channel. CPCnotCCP (talk) 08:58, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

November 2022

I am not the blocking admin, but I have added this template so the user can request here and not through UTRS. 331dot (talk) 09:52, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello dot, thank you for taking a look at this. I understand that you have closed the UTRS 2 appeal and redirected here.

I am making this both a block appeal and a request for discipline on Fastily. This is due to on two separate actions that he took, not only are the reasons that he linked to his actions are false, I find that he did so with malicious intent. For the sake of the argument, even if I was wrong, there is no logical reason to perma block a new user who finally decide to make an account based on only two history contribs. It is a poor choice to have someone like Fastily to be the first experiences that a new user may have to deal with here on Misplaced Pages, which I hope still adheres to its own published guidelines. Thank you for your time. CPCnotCCP (talk) 12:39, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

CPCnotCCP (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

== Admin abuse by Fastily == Dear Misplaced Pages action board, My account have been blocked in what I believe to be admin abuse from Fastily. I would like to have my account unblocked and Fastily disciplined and stripped of admin rights. This is what happened: After reading Misplaced Pages for years and watching article after article slide out of neutral point of view, I finally decided to make an account and reach out to those people that appeared to be editing the articles biased and see if there is a more neutral common ground that can be restored on the articles. My username, CPCnotCCP, came from what I believe in to one of the most biased example in recently history, hence I used it as my username. One of the first things I did was edited my user page. I put in some statements about my beliefs, such as "the world will be in better shape if we are all talking and working together", and "I firmly believe that Misplaced Pages should be neutral". This user page, within hours was deleted without any conversations from Fastily. The reason that was tied in for the deletion was for "U5. Blatant misuse of Misplaced Pages as a web host". Please keep in mind that I did not post any links or pictures or videos. I just wrote in plain text what I believed in, especially neutrality. I contested this deletion and left on Fastily's talk page about why did he made such deletion. A user FormalDude told me that I will need to accumulate 5 edits or more in order to have an opinion in my user page. I found that to be odd, because Misplaced Pages could of just have a built in feature to not allow edits on user page until such count is reached, but I accepted the answer and left the following: "Ok, thanks for letting me know. But still, to flag and delete opinions like "I believe that the world should work together" as U5, stating that it's advertisement or using Misplaced Pages as a webhost, with absolutely no communication to me what so ever, is twisted. CPCnotCCP (talk) 12:36, 5 November 2022 (UTC) Hours later, I found my account perma blocked. Again, without reaching out to me or even bother to have a conversation. The reason left for the perma block was "19:47, 5 November 2022 Fastily talk contribs blocked CPCnotCCP talk contribs with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation blocked) (Clearly not here to build an encyclopedia: see contribs, SPA pushing a very specific POV)" Let us follow Fastily's reason for a second. If you look at my contrib, you will see that I have no article edits, I have 2 talks in my attempt to talk to the user in the other point of view, and the contest with my user page. That is it. To claim that I am "Clearly not here to build an encyclopedia: see contribs, SPA pushing a very specific POV" from just two actions is actually very un-clear. While I do present a different view in the talk page than some of the users, there are certainly other people that supported it. Misplaced Pages is not based on assumptions, it is based on facts and evidence. But more importantly and specifically stated in Misplaced Pages rules, in the WP:NOTNOTHERE, it states that "Advocating amendments to policies or guidelines" and WP:NOTHERENORMS "Expressing unpopular opinions – even extremely unpopular opinions – in a non-disruptive manner, are specifically legal. I respected the rules and tried to avoid any article edit or revert wars by having expressed my point of view in the talk section. My actions are fully within the Misplaced Pages guidelines. At a minimum, Fastily did not fully understand the rules that the Misplaced Pages have set. More so, it can be said that Fastily was on a power trip and did not like the fact that I objected to his deletion of my user page, and abused his admin power and illegally blocked me. On the high side, it can be said that Fastily may not share my views on such topic and his actions are done in order to censor my opposing views. Regardless of which view you believe happened here, Fastily is unfit to be an admin as he has abused his power. The two separate actions that Fastily used his admin privilege on me were both done with ill intention. Finally, Fastily's actions completely violates WP:BITE, 1, 3, 6, and 8. He did not follow the Misplaced Pages's guideline of "assume good faith" and took action that permanently disabled my actions here on Misplaced Pages without appeal to a block. I hope you are reading this will agree with my perspectives and adhere to the Misplaced Pages's guidelines. Thank you. CPCnotCCP (talk) 12:27, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Unblock requests aren't the place to investigate admin abuse. Unblock reviewers such as myself are not empowered to strip another admin of their admin permission. If you truly believe there's been admin abuse, please contact WP:ARBCOM via email. I'll warn you, though, I see nothing that would come close to justifying stripping Fastily of their admin rights. If instead you wish to contest your block, WP:GAB explains how to do so. You'd need to drop your attempt to strip Fastily of admin rights in any such request, though, because again, unblock requests aren't the place for that. Yamla (talk) 13:26, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

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Request reason:

== focusing on unblock only, stripped out other requests == @Yamla:@331dot: Hello, my account was blocked. The reason given was "Clearly not here to build an encyclopedia: see contribs, SPA pushing a very specific POV)" 1. If you look at my two contribs, you will see that I have no article edits; I have started 2 talks in my attempt to talk to the users on the other point of view; and the contest with my user page. This is my first time creating an account after reading Misplaced Pages for years. This perma block is in contradiction with the policies posted in wp:bite 2. No matter what the thoughts or the feeling that the original blocking admin had, there is no evidence based on my contrib of two talks to warrant a perma block. 3. Most importantly, under the reason given: "Not here to build an encyclopedia", the official guideline wp:NOTNOTHERE actually have a section that states : "What "not here to build an encyclopedia" is not...." clause 5 "Expressing unpopular opinions – even extremely unpopular opinions – in a non-disruptive manner". So even if we assume the reason stated is true that I had a specific POV, it is fully legal within the guidelines especially as I did not even edit the said article, I respected the guidelines and sought out a dialogue in the talk section. I support more neutral articles as it is still one of the five pillars of Misplaced Pages. I would like to have my account unblocked. Thank you. CPCnotCCP (talk) 14:01, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Decline reason:

That username, in fact, indicates to me the same thing your edits do: you set this account up strictly to push a point of view. That's effectively NOTHERE. — Daniel Case (talk) 07:22, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Reponse to Daniel Case in order to avoid overuse of UNBLOCK

@Daniel Case: I am going to address your decline decision by the order it was presented. Also copying @331dot: @Yamla: since they provided instructions for me prior.

1. "the use of WP:NOTHERE as the block reason, while valid IMO"

Response: I have already posted in my reasoning from Unblock #2, that the WP:NOTNOTHERE specifically stated that

Expressing unpopular opinions – even extremely unpopular opinions – in a non-disruptive manner Merely advocating and implementing changes to Misplaced Pages articles or policies with reliable sources is allowed; even if these changes made are incompatible with certain Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines, it is not the same as not being here to build an encyclopedia. The disagreeing editor should take care to not violate Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines such as not reverting due to a lack of consensus, getting the point, and civility in the course of challenging unpopular opinions.

-is allowed.

Furthermore, under "Advocating amendments to policies of guidelines of the same WP:NOTNOTHERE,

The community encompasses a very wide range of views. A user may believe a communal norm is too narrow or poorly approaches an issue, and take actions internally consistent with that viewpoint, such as advocating particular positions in discussions. Provided the user does so in an honest attempt to improve the encyclopedia, in a constructive manner, and assuming the user's actions are not themselves disruptive, such conversations form the genesis for improvement to Misplaced Pages.

I do not understand how your opinion applies the WP:NOTHERE since the two above guideline specifically states what I am doing is perfectly acceptable. Do you mind explaining how do you ignore the guideline listed?

2. "your username is unacceptable under that policy, another valid reason for this block."

Response: I checked the WP:IU, WP:ATTACKNAME, there is no listed guideline in there that my username CPCnotCCP violates. There is simply no guideline that states that a username can not be a point of perspective. The guideline clearly stated in WP:BADNAME that as an administrator, you should first assume good faith. Perhaps if you read why I select the username in the first unblock request you will understand why I choose that phrase. The second thing stated that if you find my name really objective, it is procedure for you to reach out to me and let me know that there is a problem. After that, you should of request comments on my username from other users. By instantly perma block me, none of Misplaced Pages guidelines is followed. Your comments are not valid.

3. "That username, in fact, indicates to me the same thing your edits do: you set this account up strictly to push a point of view. "

Response: This is where your statement tells me that you might be biased on this matter. Look at the evidence: I NEVER EDITED THE ARTICLE ITSELF. I only replied to the TALK page to other users' perspectives. The TALK page, the very place where a user is suppose to be to have a discussion. I replied to TWO (2) user's comments. That is all I was able to do after the account was created, and within 20 hours of the account creation, my account was perma blocked. I did not get a chance to do anything else. How about you follow the Misplaced Pages's guideline of WP:GF assume good faith, and actually observe my actions for a while before you make up your mind? Two (2) initial actions were enough of a sample size to justify a perma block an account? That is the equivalent of a baby of 20 month old stepped on an ant and the baby will put to prison for life assuming that the baby will be a serial killer in the future. No neutral common sense will find two (2) sample size to enough to justify a permanent action, especially after I follow the guidelines and did NOT edit the article and only spoke in the TALK section.

Conclusion If you read my initial explaining in Unlock #1, I spoke about being neutral being the key, why I finally created an account, and why I want to have a discussion due to my perspective that some articles on Misplaced Pages is anything but neutral. Shall what I have encountered within 24 hour of my account creation be a precedent, I highly doubt that is the type of actions the creators of Misplaced Pages have intended. It is on the level of drawing dotted line linking far fetched reasoning against all published Misplaced Pages guidelines in order to silent and squash a perspective not shared by the people with privileges. I do not know if you will respond of any other admin will shine in their view point. But I am trying to talk it out with everyone before I request an arbitration hearing. Thank you and please comment, whatever your position may be.

CPCnotCCP (talk) 16:08, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

See WP:LAWYER. 331dot explains it in enough detail below so that I don't have to. Daniel Case (talk) 16:58, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

You are not "perma blocked", which would suggest there is no way back. You are blocked until you can convince an adminstrator you will not repeat the reason for the block. Big difference. You had not made a single edit to an article. You haven't offered sources to support the change you advocate, you only seem to say that one policy should override another policy. I think your analogy is grossly exaggerated.

Your username indeed violates policy, WP:USERNAME; "Usernames that are likely to offend other contributors, and either cause disruption to productive Misplaced Pages processes or discussions, or make harmonious editing difficult or impossible to achieve; e.g. by containing profanities, or referencing highly-contentious events or controversies". By your own suggestion this is a contentious area you edited in. It would be no different if your username was DonaldTrumpforPresident2024 or JoeBidenforPresident2024 or TexasShouldSecede. Politics should stay out of usernames. If this was a formal unblock request, I would decline it. You can make a formal unblock request for someone else to look at, but you seem to be saying you will contact the Arbitration Committee. 331dot (talk) 16:50, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments @331dot:.

I have the following to say:

1. in regarding to your first paragraph, yes there is only so many things I can do before I was blocked in 20 hours and didn't really get a chance to do anything else. Please understand I am trying to learn how to properly source stuff. In those 2 talk section replies, I was just responding to the users. I stated that I plan to follow the guidelines that before any contested article edits, I will propose the edited text in talk session. That is my statement from even the original UTR2. I never intend on breaking the rules.

2. Thanks for reaching out to me about the username. And thank you for following the guideline. To me it's hardly offensive but I will take your position on it and request a username change, something like GreenRectangleLeaf, after I get unblocked.

CPCnotCCP (talk) 17:09, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

In his decline message, Daniel Case gave you the unblock request template to use to make a request that simultaneously proposes a new username. If you propose one, we can change it. 331dot (talk) 17:19, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@331dot@Daniel Case

Thanks for getting back to me 331dot. Few things:

1. Right now there is an "indefinite block" on my account. I read the dispute process and it looks like there isn't any where for me to go except for arbitration. I do not want to abuse the Unblock process either hence why I am talking to you here. To change the name or not, Daniel Case stated that I need to get unblocked first. So I am here to reach an consensus of what needs to be done before I attempt to do what you said. If the process is not to arbitration, please let me know what to do next.

2. You confirmed that I made no article edits, and I only replied to a couple of comments in the Talk section. My position on that matter might be a minority voice, but my actions, except for the username that I now know, violates no Misplaced Pages policy. To summarize everything down to a very simple term: Does two un-sourced replies in favor of a minority opinion on a contested Talk page done by a new user warrant a indefinite block? The answer is very clear.

3. By sticking to Misplaced Pages's policy and not circumvent the block, you can see that I am serious about following the guidelines. I just do not believe my actions justifies the block. Someone could of easily reach out to me and let me know about the issue at hand, as per guideline. You will see that I am actually a very reasonable person and if given more than 20 hours on Misplaced Pages, I will have other contributions. How about actually give me some time before you make your mind up on my intentions? BTW, I think it's ironic how Daniel Case bought up WP:Wikilawyering, as it contained the following

Wikilawyering is a critical term which describes various practices to be avoided in Misplaced Pages. It may refer to: Willfully misinterpreting policy or relying on technicalities to justify inappropriate actions. Weaponizing policies, guidelines, noticeboards and other Misplaced Pages systems with the goal of deprecating an editor rather than of resolving a problem.

CPCnotCCP (talk) 14:52, 21 November 2022 (UTC)