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	She also talks about her husband left for dead, his property being seized, and no effort made to contact next of kin. As one of the very few non-senior police sources for this incident, she is clearly not conforming to the careful phrasing and slanting being provided to the media. The two police who survived the shooting have, so far as I know, not spoken directly about the events to the media apart from an anodyne statement released through the union. --] (]) 18:47, 23 December 2022 (UTC)		She also talks about her husband left for dead, his property being seized, and no effort made to contact next of kin. As one of the very few non-senior police sources for this incident, she is clearly not conforming to the careful phrasing and slanting being provided to the media. The two police who survived the shooting have, so far as I know, not spoken directly about the events to the media apart from an anodyne statement released through the union. --] (]) 18:47, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

			:"The brothers are the offenders who <u>police say</u> shot and killed two armed officers and neighbour Alan Dare".
			:"Nathaniel Train ... , his brother and sister-in-law shot two Queensland police officers and a civilian dead in Wieambilla, <u>police say</u>. ] (]) 06:26, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

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The first shooting was a mass shooting.

The siege consisted of the initial shooting, the one that killed the 2 officers, a neighbor and injured another, and the second shooting killed 3 more people. By the definition Misplaced Pages goes by, mass shootings are when 4 or more are shot excluding the perp, so shouldn't the initial attack be mentioned as a mass shooting and not an ambush? Mixed Biscuit (talk) 12:24, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Whether or not the incident is considered a mass shooting, that does not prevent it from being an ambush. Where is this Misplaced Pages definition of a mass shooting? WWGB (talk) 12:31, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Mass shootings and ambushes are non-mutually exclusive. The article Mass shooting states there is no consensus on the definition, but that the term has been used in some incidents with as few as three surviving victims, while others have required a minimum of five fatal shootings.Ypna (talk) 06:12, 14 December 2022 (UTC) incorrect; Brough was not injured.

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Who shot Alan Dare?

I may have missed definitive sourcing in all the media articles but I cannot find any official statement that the Trains shot and killed Alan Dare, the neighbour who came to investigate. The media reports seem to accept this as implicit but neither of the two spokesmen - the police commissioner and the police union leader - ever stated this directly, merely saying that he was shot in the back. Can anybody find a source that is not just a journalist?

This report quotes Dare's wife:

"Ms Dare told NCA NewsWire she was kept in the dark by police on what was unfolding and was left to endure a horrific wait for information about what had happened to her husband.
'They're not telling me anything and I don't know if they will tell me anything,' she said.
'I know that he's gone but I don't know who killed him.'

She also talks about her husband left for dead, his property being seized, and no effort made to contact next of kin. As one of the very few non-senior police sources for this incident, she is clearly not conforming to the careful phrasing and slanting being provided to the media. The two police who survived the shooting have, so far as I know, not spoken directly about the events to the media apart from an anodyne statement released through the union. --Pete (talk) 18:47, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

"The brothers are the offenders who police say shot and killed two armed officers and neighbour Alan Dare".

"Nathaniel Train ... , his brother and sister-in-law shot two Queensland police officers and a civilian dead in Wieambilla, police say. WWGB (talk) 06:26, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

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