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User:Pewlosels

Just letting you know, you recently blocked Pewlosels (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) indef for being a "WP:AN/I troll". I had a quick browse at his/her contribs, and couldn't see much trolling, however I maybe didn't know the complete context of his/her posts, hence I'm coming to you. He/she is requesting an unblock, and I thought that you should have a look at his/her reasoning, and maybe give him/her an explanation as to why he/she's blocked, as he/she clearly doesn't understand at the moment. Cheers, Daniel.Bryant 03:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I read his contributions as well, and while he seems to be misguidedly nostalgic for earlier days of Misplaced Pages, I see no reason to block him. I certainly don't think his comments could be construed as trolling given the honest concerns and reasoning he gave to back up his arguments. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 05:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I commented on the user's talk page and strongly feel this block should be overturned. Even if you are right in your theory that this is the 'AN/I troll' and they are going to do something disruptive... blocking indefinitely before they do so is just a little too Orwellian for me. --CBD 12:35, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Reply to comment on my talk (eom) --CBD 16:39, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm absolutely shocked to see a user blocked indefinitely for simply asking a few questions on a talk page! This seems completely and totally over the top to me. If you have suspicions, why not just keep an eye on their edits? Nfitz 15:54, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Sub-Saharan DNA admixture in Europe

Do you think you could come by and help resolve the conflict I'm having with another editor? Thanks. ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 05:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Adal

Could you revert the move done by Tobias Conradi from Adal to Adal Sultanate? A quick google search shows that the Norse figure is meant for less than 1000 google hits, while the Ethiopian one gets 20-40,000 google hits; Adal Ramones isn't referred to simply by his first name. We should talk about it on the talk page first, but I'm pretty certain that there's no reason to move the Adal page instead of just having an Adal (disambiguation) page. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 02:04, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Former Italian colonies

I don't think this really applies to the Ethiopian pages you added them to. The 5 years the Italians were in Ethiopia are universally recognized as an occupation and not as a colony, so I am going to remove those categories (unfortunately leaving them uncategorized, but we can add WWII categories) and change the link from Amhara (colony) to Amhara (occupied province). — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 01:39, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

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Portland meetup?

You were talking about a meetup when Wales would be in Portland. Any date yet? - Jmabel | Talk 06:38, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Joe, I just learned about this link. This may be where the actual information will be announced. -- llywrch 15:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

So is he planning to talk with Misplaced Pages people at all? Because I frankly have no interest in getting involved in Wikia Campaigns, I have plenty I'm already doing. - Jmabel | Talk 17:35, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

A Wednesday?? Almost no chance I can do this. I'll see if I can swing something, but it is really unlikely. - Jmabel | Talk 04:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

76BC

I removed your reference to Cicero conquering Cyprus, I'm not sure where you got this information from since it wasn't annexed for about another 30 years (and then by Cato). Also, in 75 Cicero was a quaestor, so why would he be given a command to conquer Cyprus (which would require him to have imperium) when he was ineligible.

60.224.193.180 11:57, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't remember making this edit, but that's not surprising since I probably made it more than two years ago. Either I drew from some reliable sources (e.g. the Oxford Classical Dictionary), or from an article which linked to the page; if I get the time, I'll try to determine where I found this information. (Note: usually I respond on the Talk page of the person who contacted me, but because you are are not logged in, & may never see this at the IP address you used, I'm posting this here.) -- llywrch 19:21, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

NW Dialect

Hey Llywrch. I'm from Eugene. But my dad grew up in North Dakota and my mom was raised in Idaho and rural Lane County by people with Nebraska and Missouri roots. I've been accused of having a mid-western drawl, which is apparently what NW dialect is similar to (lots of Missourians out here). I think it is also partly from being raised by kids of farmers and partly an affectation developed from my like of old-time music and hanging around southerners. And of course being from Eugene I'm also adept at hippie-speak, and I say "Awesome" way too much. :) I had no idea that the way I learned to pronounce vowel sounds was anything other than "normal" until recently. My folks were known to use the word Davenport. They are bit older than many of the parents of the folks my age, so I picked up all kinds of folksy words from them. I also had a landlord, of Scandinavian extraction I believe, who called it a "Daveno". BTW, I worked a couple seasons as a wildland firefighter, and those logging types still call their boots "corks." BTW, I'm rather nostalgic about moderate Republicans myself... Katr67 18:22, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

P.S. In the interests of staying on topic, it looks like some of the info from the links I posted on my userpage could be added to the Pacific Northwest English article. I don't know about Phonology, but putting some of that into layperson's terms might be a good addition, especially the bits about creaky voice, and the dropped "-ed". Note also I made myself a "PNW English-speaker" userbox. Unfortunately, I haven't figured out how to append that or the pirate-speak one to my Babelbox. Cheers! Katr67 18:22, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

Through your diligent and tireless efforts in creating articles for every woreda in Ethiopia, you have filled an important hole in wikipedia's coverage of Africa. Articles like that are what sets this project apart from similar encyclopediae. I therefore award you your second Afrika award. You have deserved this barnstar through and through. Aecis 22:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Just make sure that you get the spelling of the titles correct ;) But seriously, 500 woredas?!?! Will they all go in Category:Woredas of Ethiopia? With 500 articles, that category might become a bit crowded. Would it be an idea to sort them by region, e.g. Category:Woredas of Somali Region? Aecis 22:51, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll second that Barnstar. It's just the kind of thing that makes Misplaced Pages so great. Great work. | Mr. Darcy talk 03:27, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Jürgen von Beckerath

Just for your information, Professor Jurgen von Beckerath is one of the most respect Egyptologists in the world. In terms of scholarship, he is the German equivalent to Kenneth Kitchen. You can most assuredly rely on his work. When a major new discovery is made, scholars often ask him for his opinion on the find. Please note here John & Deborah Darnell's official statement about von Beckerath's analysis of their discovery of a new Year 11 Sothic date at Gebel Tjauti in the Egyptian Desert. They write

"Our latest calculations on the date of the Gebel Tjauti Sothic observation suggest the morning of July 11, 1593-1590 BC. We are happy to report that no less an authority on Egyptian chronology than Professor Jürgen von Beckerath agrees with this dating, which fits the eleventh year of king Seweserenre of the Seventeenth Dynasty in a study he has prepared on that important but obscure dynasty." NOTE: Seuserenre is a native Theban king who is assigned a reign of 12 years in the Turin Canon.

Beckerath has been writing for decades now and ranks--in my opinion--as one of the best and most informative Egyptologist as Kitchen. He definitely is no 'Rohlist': a term which would be an insult to him. His ideas are definitely in the mainstream of Egyptology. If you scroll to the very bottom of this web site, you will find that even Encyclopaedia Brittanica--Misplaced Pages's rival--has relied on his scholarship from the 1960's onwards. The problem here is that since he writes and publishes in German--for the most part--only the professional Egyptolologist in North America has access to his work. Hence, I have attempted to rectify this situation a little on Misplaced Pages so that the ordinary reader can see the quality and thrust of his work. With kind Regards. Leoboudv 04:28, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Dear llywrch, I apologise if I startled you. You understand my concern correctly on von Beckerath--he cannot be regarded as a crackpot. If you saw KA Kitchen's review of J. von Beckerath's 'Chronologie des Pharaonischen Agypten' book in JEA 85 (1999), pp.245-248, you will quickly see that while Beckerath and Kitchen have some minor academic differences concerning David Aston's--in my view certainly correct--argument in JEA 75(1989) pp.139-153 that Takelot II was not a member of the 22nd Dynasty but was rather a king of the 23rd Theban Dynasty of Egypt, they are of one mind on most basic issues. Beckerath endorses Aston's proposal as does Aidan Dodson in "A new King Shoshenq confirmed?" GM 137(1993), p.58, and Karl Jansen-Winkeln in "Historische Probleme Der 3. Zwischenzeit," JEA 81(1995) pp.129-49 among other scholars. I also know that Frederic Payraudeau, who has published in JEA and in BIFAO 105 also accepts without reservation Aston's new Chronology which places Shoshenq III as the direct successor of Osorkon II, rather than Takelot II as Kitchen thinks. But, there is no vast chasm of differences between Kitchen & Beckerath.

However, I completely emphatise with your take on Rohl. Unlike Velikovsky or Ahmed Osman, Rohl is a trained scholar who has argued that Egyptian Chronology must be shifted by hundreds of years; one cannot merely dismiss his ideas as nonsense because he gives many footnotes for his intricate views. His journal JACF, is now defunct--but his ideas live on on the net! The basic flaw in Rohl's chronology is that he relies too much on the Serapeum stelas to construct his version of TIPE history but ignores the fact that parts of the Serapeum have not been explored due to the threat of collapse and aflling debris. these areas may contain stelas from the 'missing' 21st Dynasty kings. Also, we have attestations of the 21st Dynasty kings in Upper Egypt such as Siamun, Amenemope and Psusennes II--even one mentioning Smendes who is poorly known here despite his 25 year reign. Just because they didn't build many--or any--monuments in Upper Egypt doesn't mean they didn't exist. Egyptian Chronology is basically solid within a 10 to 12 year time range from the reign of Ramesses II in 1279-1213 BC onwards until 664 BC; not the hundreds of years difference which Rohl posits. Leoboudv 20:53, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

As an Aside, if you wish to assess the quality of Beckerath' scholarship in English, I have an article by him. It is "The Date of the End of the Old Kingdom in Egypt"in JNES 21 (1962), pp.140-147. As Far as I know, it's points have stood up to 'the test of time' pretty well; Kim Ryholt praises its scholarship for the most part in his ZAS 127 (2000) pp.87-100 paper titled "The Late Old Kingdom in the Turin King-list and the Identity of Nitocris." It is one of the few articles by Beckerath in English. He almost always writes in German. Regards, Leoboudv 01:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Woreda grouping

Thanks for pointing this out, Llywrch. You're doing a fantastic job with all of these articles; I hadn't even noticed (been overwhelmed with non-WikiLife). But I don't have a strong opinion on the proposal, I'm afraid. The people doing the articles (you!) should decide. (One thing we need to keep in mind, I think, is how much the political divisions in Ethiopia are still in a state of flux and could change in minor (or even major) ways in the near future. But woredas are less likely to change, I guess.) — MikeG (talk) 14:22, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Amenemope

Dear Llywrch, I need a small favour. Could you please do a disambigulation page on Misplaced Pages's Amenemope for king Amenemopet (really Amenemope) of the 21st Dynasty. In reality, there are 2 important Ancient Egyptians called Amenemope--the literary figure cited here on Misplaced Pages's dictionary as well as king Amenemope, the son of Psusennes I. see here I have deliberately and erroneously transcribed the latter as king Amenemopet on Misplaced Pages because I can't do a disambigulation page on Misplaced Pages's Amenemope to distinguish one from the other. King Amenemope's tomb was discovered intact in 1940 and he should be cited under his correct name, I think. Here is a picture of his funerary mask:

As an Aside, I made an addition (under both my account and my 24.87 anonymous acct) to Von Beckerath. I cited one clear example where Kitchen adopted a proposal by Beckerath. This concerns the identity of the Year 49 king in Pap. Brooklyn 16.205--it belongs to Psusennes I, not Shoshenq III as Kitchen once assumed in his 1986 and 1972 editions of his TIPE book. But please try to do something on Amenemope--they are 2 distinct people. I'm not technically proficient at doing a disambigulation page here. Thank You. Leoboudv 23:00, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Dear llywrch, Thanks a lot for your help and the fair warning. Personally, I think it won't come to this because both Amenemopes are very well known both in Egyptian literature and on the Internet. A search on google turns up references to both characters. It helps when one is a famous writer while the other is an actual king whose tomb treasures at Tanis were found intact. By the Way, did you see king Amenemope's face mask and sarcophagus. While one may question the style of his sarcophagus vs the face mask the workmanship is of high quality for a king of the Third Intermediate Period; this implies the 21st Dynasty Pharaohs still enjoyed access to Egypt's best funerary experts. Regards Leoboudv 21:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Permanent Solution

So have you guys come up with a permanent solution for my most favorite user on WP, Panarjedde? Once again, numerous 3RR blocks, further disruptions to WP, same behavior keeps continuing... --Palffy 21:28, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm saddened to see that he's in trouble again., as am I. Have you discussed this matter yet with User:Stifle? I don't think he knows about or understands the background and so thinks Panarjedde is a sockpuppet of Panairjdde, which is not the case. We need to sort out these misunderstanding, before we lose yet another fine and prolific contributor. Best regards--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 19:17, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

In response to your post on User talk:Stifle's talk board, I don't think that he should be cut any slack. In fact, the matter should have been closed when he admitted to socking, breaking WP laws, and breaking WP laws by using socks, just to get his POV across. User:Cowman109 cut him A LOT of slack by not blocking his account, imo. Imo, that was his chance to reform, if he was ever going to get one (I don't believe Cowman109 did the right thing, because I KNOW he will continue acting the way he did and he has not proven me wrong since..). Perhaps he's not outright socking and breaking laws, but he's getting into arguments with posters everyday, getting into edit wars, OUTRIGHT REFUSING TO LISTEN TO OTHERS, in a sense, he has learned NOTHING from his blocks or run ins. Stop giving this guy slack, he has LOST EVERY CHANCE HE'S BEEN GIVEN and he has NEVER used these experience to go like, 'hmm, perhaps I'm not the pope. Perhaps if there are other users who think something should be done differently, I should give in or work out something without offending them or getting into an edit war.' or anything REMOTELY that. My recent run-in with him only goes to prove it--not only should he not be stalking my posts, but he perhaps he should have some respect for me (and yes by respect, not the crap-responses he posted against me). Obviously, this user is devoid of that.

I believe that I'm still the innocent party. I spoke up resonably against an edit of his and his immediate response was to argue rudely with me, and at at that point I reminded him that he really shouldn't be arguing with me, and he went off on his stubborn ways, etc etc. You're more than welcome to bring this up before the ArbCom. I will be more than glad to present my case and evidence as I have in the CheckUser case. I play fair and square, I can prove a person's character and intent by their own actions, not by 'my good faith'. But I also expect justice, which has been sorely lacking by the admins handling this user. --Palffy 23:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I wanted to chime in here, as I've recently clashed horns with Panarjedde on Julian the Apostate. It wasn't until after he received a 3RR block for that incident that I began learning about his longer history (i.e. sockpuppetry allegations, etc). I've looked at his contributions and agree that he makes a lot of useful edits, especially wikifications and small technical edits that might otherwise go unfixed. However, his attitude on many of his more extensive edits (not just on Julian) is unworkable; essentially, he's right, and until you prove him wrong to his satisfaction (something which is essentially impossible, since he seems unwilling to acknowledge the authority of expert references), he will revert any changes to his edits and, in extreme cases, effectively seizes control of articles. His definition of "consensus" seems to amount to "nobody is willing to oppose me in an edit war, so I must be right." Given human nature (and the testimony of Palffy, who has clearly had more extensive dealings with him), I seriously doubt his ability to modify this behavior without very close supervision. That all said, I respect your decision as an admin to support him. I hope you're prepared to mentor him in becoming a more constructive member of the community. I'll be watching him, and it looks like I won't be alone. Dppowell 15:55, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

In fact, I notice that since he was unblocked, he has already reverted (w/o discussion) an edit I made on Valentinian III, decapitalizing the proper name of the title Caesar. Dppowell 16:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

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Portland meetup

Hey Llywrch, I was still thinking it over. I would like to go, but I have a few obstacles: I don't drive, I don't have a place to stay, and I'm unemployed and pretty stingy with what little income I do have from working temp services. So at this point I'm thinking it's a great opportunity but maybe not the best time for me. Owen 06:22, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

If there's ever a meetup in Salem, I'll be right on it. Though Portland would be fine if I ever get out of my current rut. I hope the meetup went well on Wednesday. Owen 11:17, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

WP:Holic

Hello, we need some help at the Misplaced Pages:Are You a Wikipediholic Test: the automated version isn't working. You being an administrator, we thought you might be able to help. We also noticed that the automated version links to http://tools.wikimedia.de/~merphant/cgi-bin/wikiholic.cgi. Is this supposed to be that way? We would appreciate your help. Thank you. | AndonicO Talk 21:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the heads up about the automated test. It's fixed now, and I've left a note on the test's talk page. Merphant 06:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thank you both Llywrch and Merphant for your help. | AndonicO Talk 10:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome and thanks

thanks to RDH for the heads' up on Panarjedde. -- llywrch 23:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Glad to help clear up this misunderstanding. And thank you, for the prompt and positive response. Such situations are rarely resolved in such a happy manner, I'm glad we could work together to make this an exception. Best regards,--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 20:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

African military history task force

An African military history task force is being created. Perhaps you are interested in joining. Wandalstouring 18:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Prester John

Hey Llywrch, I'm trying to add refs to the Prester John article. You added in a comment from Richard Pankhurst about Remedius Prutky, what book is that from? It doesn't seem to be listed in the refs, at least at the moment. Thanks!--Cúchullain /c 22:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, looking at it, it was there after all. It's the very first book in the references section, it just wasn't under the name I expected.--Cúchullain /c 00:11, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Portland

So how'd the meetup go? Is there a write-up? Sorry I couldn't be there. - Jmabel | Talk 16:50, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Counseling

Hello. I am here because I need a suggestion about how to deal with a "rogue" user.

User:Kingjeff wants to put a referenced text in Australia national football (soccer) team: this one.

Since there have been updates to the matter, I added them too , but he seems not to like this fact, and keeps removing my contribution.

On the article talkpage, other people (including me, three, against Jeff alone) support removing the matter completely, as it is of little meaning, but Jeff does not like this settlement too, so he still pushes his POV.

He is acting so blindly that he is removing other edits I made, including clearly neutral corrections of links .

Is there a way to deal with him? And in particular, is there a way to deal with him quickly?

Best regards, Panarjedde 17:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

What to do...?

I've run across this problem several times now, and as an administrator and as one fairly familiar with Egyptolgical stuff, I was wondering if you could tell me how to go about preventing somthing. From time to time, as has just recently happened, a few afrocentrists show up on important pages and often start making a stink. At the moment, everything's fine, however in the past and invariably in the future someone has and someone will come around and raise cain about somthing like this, and when I bring up "no original reaserch" "soapbox" and "reliable source" requirements, they totally ignore them and insist that the sole criterion for a reliable source and an npov source is any source which agrees with their premise (though obviously not with those words.) On any other topic, this would be trollish behavior, but somehow they get away with it. If, for instance, this guy in Akhenaten gets belligerant, what do I do? Thanatosimii 22:28, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Work on seventh and eigth dynasties

I've been poking around here in the first intermeidate period to try to straigten it out. Granted, even the experts can't straigten the period out, but I'd like to actually get it looking and working a little better. It seems like you're the one that added the king list to this page. I can see that it's a version of the Abydos king list, but I'm wondering if you know where it came from. I've got another version of the list, with significantly different names. If I could get a hieroglyphic copy, I could figure out which one is right, but I can't seem to find one, so I'd like to know if your source is more reliable than mine. However,I realize you wrote it over a year ago, so if you don't remember, I'll just keep doing research to try to straigten this all out. Thanatosimii 23:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Council of Five Hundred

Could you have a look at Council of Five Hundred#Athens? I'm always suspicious of the accuracy of content that reads like it was written at a 12-year-old level. I'm guessing that this is something you would have at least a clue about; if not, can you suggest someone who would? I want to split the article in two with a disambiguation (one about France, one about Athens) but I don't want to do that until the content of both is at least an OK stub. - Jmabel | Talk 07:41, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Joe -- at first glance the part dealing with Ancient Athens looks right, but what I expected to read about was one of the political upheavals that Athens underwent towards the end of the Pelopennesian War. I think it's significant that none of the articles linking to it have anything to do with ancient Athens. If you aren't in a hurry to deal with this article, I can do some further research when I'm home tonight. (I'm currently sittung in a potential juror's room at the courthouse.) -- llywrch 17:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

No hurry, not exactly a hot topic or current event. - Jmabel | Talk 17:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not totally following what you suggest doing, could you possibly do the followup yourself?

And does this mean that you are now a non-juring Wikipedian? - Jmabel | Talk 01:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Link bait

Yeah, I do find it amusing to see people get their knickers all in a twist when the link to their personal blog/website gets removed. Too bad they can't just take a few minutes to read WP:RS. Good catch on that blog post, thanks for pointing that out! --AbsolutDan 01:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Full disclosure

Hello, Llywrch. So as not to criticize you behind your back: I just mentioned your name on User talk:Donnachadelong. Bishonen | talk 23:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC).

Leeman / Ark

You're right, I reverted you too hastily. On further reflection, I'd say it is indeed fringe and only tangential to the subject, so we should probably delete it after all. ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 19:32, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Kibra Nagast

Hey! It's been a while since I've communicated with you (and had free time to contribute actual substance and references). Can you explain the 1225 date you added to the Kibra Nagast? I see the date for Abuna Giyorgis II matches that of the List of Abunas of Ethiopia article, but it doesn't match the life of Ya'ibika Igzi, who was a contemporary (and slight predecessor) of Amde Seyon. Here is the colophon from Budge's translation:

In the Arabic text it is said: "We have turned into Arabic from a Coptic manuscript the throne of MARK the Evangelist, the teacher, the Father of us all. We have translated it in the four hundred and ninth year of mercy in the country of ETHIOPIA, in the days of GABRA MASḲAL the king, who is called LÂLÎBALÂ, in the days of Abbâ GEORGE, the good bishop. And God neglected to have it translated and interpreted into the speech of ABYSSINIA. And when I had pondered this—Why did not ’ABAL‛EZ and ABALFAROG who edited (or, copied) the book translate it? I said this: It went out in the days of ZÂGUÂ, and they did not translate it because this book says: Those who reign not being ISRAELITES are transgressors of the Law. Had they been of the kingdom of ISRAEL they would have edited (or, translated) it. And it was found in NÂZRÊT."

"And pray ye for me, your servant ISAAC the poor man. And chide ye me not because of the incorrectness of the speech of the tongue. For I have toiled much for the glory of the country of ETHIOPIA, and for the going forth of the heavenly ZION, and for the glory of the King of ETHIOPIA. And I consulted the upright and God-loving governor YÂ‛EBÎKA ’EGZÎ’Ĕ, and he approved and said unto me, 'Work.' And I worked, God helping me, and He did not requite me according to my sins. And pray ye for your servant ISAAC, and for those p. 229 who toiled with me in the going out (i.e., production) of this book, for we were in sore tribulation, I, and YAMHARANA-’AB, and ḤEZBA-KRESTÔS, and ANDREW, and PHILIP, and MAḤÂRÎ-’AB. May God have mercy upon them, and may He write their names in the Book of Life in the kingdom of heaven, with those of all the saints and martyrs for ever and ever! Amen."

It's clearly contradictory if they are talking about the same Abba Giyorgis as the Abuna and the same Ya`ibika Igzi, governor of Inderta (a district of Tigray near Aksum). Note that there's doubt as to the existence of an Arabic (or Coptic) vorlage, but that Nibura 'id Yishaq may have simply been a compiler of older documents, as some of the Kibra Nagast material seems to be datable to the late antique period (particularly the last chapter dealing with Kaleb and the inheritance of the throne by his sons, see the work of Gianfrancesco Lusini). — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 23:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Good catch. Note also that it was Ya'ibika Igzi' who commissioned this work. Stuart Munro-Hay postulates that the document was in fact a way to legitimize the rule of the ruling family of Inderta in Tigray, which in recent years had become stronger and stronger. The Queen of Sheba story takes place entirely in the northern sphere of Ethiopia and would do more to legitimize Northern rather than central or southern rule, and the mention of Amde Tsiyon is simply in passing for dating, rather than glorifying as one would expect if the document was truly to legitimize the Solomonic dynasty's (and in particular the current king's) rule. And, as you said, Amde Tsiyon was hardly the kind of king who needed a document to affirm his rule. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 18:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

BTW, if you want to read any of Bernard Leeman's book, there's a PDF version over here. Just scroll down to Books (part 1 is intro, part 2 is main text, part 3 is appendices). — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 07:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Ottoman invasion of Ethiopia

I wrote a rather long paper on this topic (moreso on the province Habesh) last year that could be used to start this article, but it's going to need a lot of copy-editing. I'll continue to be busy for the next week and a half (and even some after that), so I'd appreciate it if you could copy-edit my paper into a neutral Misplaced Pages article on the subject. I have included the text below my signature here, just hidden by Misplaced Pages syntax. When page numbers are cited without an author name, it simply means that the author hasn't changed (a bibliography is at the end). — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 07:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

It is in Turkish, so I wouldn't bother. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 23:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! I'll look over it when I have time. Habesh should probably be split into an Ethiopian-Ottoman War article, with a summary going into Habesh, to be reserved more for info on the rule of the province. Also, you should submit Habesh for WP:DYK, since it was so greatly expanded. I'm busy right now, so I don't really have time to edit Misplaced Pages. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 06:40, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

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User:Panairjdde is back

Please see Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#The_return_of_User:Panairjdde.2FUser:Kwame_Nkrumah_etc. if you wish to comment. Jayjg 02:47, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Will I finally get an apology from you? ;)) Hope all is well, --Palffy 10:16, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

An apology? Why? -- llywrch 16:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Do you still believe you should have said and argued everything you did on this matter with me? --Palffy 21:50, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe in trusting every editor on Misplaced Pages to do the right thing, & not to hold mistakes against people. Would you like to be held strictly accountable for every mistake you have made on Misplaced Pages? For example, consider your comment above, "Hope all is well", which is an unexpected comment to come from someone I don't know: compare it to some of the entries on my blog (the link's on my user page). Should I assume that you wrote that before or after reading those entries? I assumed you were uninformed about my well-being when you wrote that, & weren't taunting me about my bad luck. That is why I assumed good faith with Panarjedde: we all do the wrong thing, & sometimes people actually regret their behavior. If we never assume good faith when someone says she/he is sorry & offer another chance, then why would anyone consider offering an apology?

And apologies are only for situations were one person has hurt another person. I have treated you civilly, although we obviously disagree; you have no grounds to expect an apology from me.

Having said that, I see no further point in continuing this conversation with you. By your demand for an apology, you are obviously looking to score a point over me. I have no interest in keeping score over how many times you, I or anyone are right or wrong; we all make mistakes. I am interested in helping Wikipedians to become better editors, & concern over who is right more often only contributes to an unwanted divisiveness here. -- llywrch 22:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, its not so much about being accountable for the mistakes I've made on WP, but more of, as you said, we all do the wrong thing, we regret it, we apologize, and we make amends. In fact it is the latter that I think is critical because that reaffirms that one has learned from his mistakes and vows to never make them again. If that is the case, and one does make amends, I think its fair to assume good faith with that individual. As for countless disruptive behavior...

No actually, I'm unaware of what's going on. It's something I say to people that I haven't talked to inawhile...so I'm sorry if that's actually related to your well-being =/. No you certainly have treated me civilly and appreciate it because I probably came off cocky at times during my frustrations with Panairjdde and I have nothing against you. You can certainly assume good faith upto a certain point, but I feel that there is a breaking point somewhere and I feel that concrete evidence should be used (and not discounted) to define it. My biggest issue is that I had to keep taking on admins to keep proving it to them that this guy is really no good and that the breaking point had been reached...This is not about scoring for me; I just wish you took what I just stated into consideration next time you're dealt a similar situation. Cheers, --Palffy 03:49, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Best of luck...

I checked your blog. Best of luck on your health. - Jmabel | Talk 18:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, what Jmabel said. Good luck to you and I'll keep thinking good thoughts on this end. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 04:55, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Best of wishes from here too. I hope to hear of your perfect health on your next blog update. Thanks for keeping the Al Amoudi page on your watchlist, too. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 05:32, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

YOU RULE MAN!!!

yeah dude! you rock!!!!!! go!!!! good job in this wiki stuff!!! i love you man!!! im your biggest fan!!!! yeah!!!! w00t!!!! YEAH MAN GO DUDE I CANT PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME BUT YOU ROCK!!!!

--Somemoron

Al Amoudi

Can you help resolve a conflict at Mohammed Al Amoudi? — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 21:12, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Local History

I found a great resource for local Ethiopian history here. There are over 140 pdfs for places throughout Ethiopia, A-Z (each PDF has a number of placenames and is tens of pages long, total 2,800 pages, over 30k entries). There's a lot of good historical data, both recent and medieval (not sure about ancient yet, as I haven't looked through it that much) with sources (including page numbers, but unfortunately abridged, though the full source citation can be found without too much difficulty (pdf)) that could help beef up some of those woreda and city articles (as well as provide a basis for the creation of new ones). — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 23:23, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Forum

By the way, I've created a website for Ethiopian and Eritrean history at forums.habeshahistory.com. I'm in the process of adding some articles and debates from other sites that I've participated at to get discussion started (and articles posted). — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 04:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Silt'e "Zone"

Hi. See my comments on my user page on the question of the supposed Silt'e Zone. Maybe you can help? — MikeG (talk) 04:49, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

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Re: Request

I have an E-mail by which I can be contacted, and have sent you a message as you asked. Took me a while to set it up, but I think it ought to work. Thanatosimii 01:37, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem

Re: Ethiopian stuff, i have not got it where i would like to get it due to lack of info.--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 21:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Week

The best existing proposal I can, in my own limited way, think of for the previously discussed "appreciation week" can now be found at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week#Misplaced Pages Week. Any comments or responses would be more than welcome. Badbilltucker 15:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Ethiopia

Hello. I have created some stubs about volcanoes in Ethiopia. You can find 'em at Misplaced Pages:Africa-related regional notice board/New articles. I am letting you know cause you are expert in Ethiopia-related stuff. Cheers! - Darwinek 21:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Map of the Battle of Chalons

A mpa of the Battle of Chalons has been created by User:Dryzen.(User_talk:Wandalstouring#Chalons) What's your opinion? Wandalstouring 19:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Bohica

On bohica, there does seem to be a website (see here), but google only gives 9 hits when I search for "Bohica Associates Corporation" excluding "Misplaced Pages" and "answers." Removing "corporation" gets more hits, but they mainly seem to be from Misplaced Pages, so the article probably wouldn't meet WP:NN anyway. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 17:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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Two Snefrus

Dear Llywrch, You once did created a disambigulation page on Amenemope due to the fact that there was a name clash between two people with the same name. May I ask if you could do this for the founder of the Egyptian 5th Dynasty. The same name clash occurs here between a computer program with this name and pharaoh Snefru who is listed as Sneferu on Misplaced Pages. I checked "Snefru" on google and notice that a ratio of 4:1 appears for this king rather than the computer program Snefru that is listed solely on Misplaced Pages's Snefru page. Sneferu is actually a rarer and more uncommon spelling of the pharaoh's name. Is it possible that you could rectify this situation and give Pharaoh Sneferu his usual place at Snefru--ie: so that both the computer program Snefru and pharaoh Snefru are listed under this name? As an Aside, if you are wondering, I have done a fair bit of contributions regarding pharaoh Amenhotep III, his wife Tiye and this pharaoh's father-in-law Yuya under my personal name s well as under my anonymous 24.87.XX log number. So, I have a real interest in improving Misplaced Pages's quality. Thank You Leoboudv 23:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear Llywrch, Thank You for the changes on Snefru--it was what I was hoping to discover. Most people know Snefru as king Snefru--the king who built 2 or 3 massive Egyptian pyramids--rather than a computer hash program. I knew there was a problem when I googled Snefru and found no wikipedia mention of it until I saw it was spely Sneferu here. Regards, Leoboudv 22:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Honorius and Google

I'm glad that caught someone's attention; it really is a mystery. Even if Google was trying to be annoying, you'd think something like it would show up for other emporers and equivalent articles, but no... my current theory is that it's actually a Misplaced Pages issue and not a Google one, and that this information was somehow put for Misplaced Pages's "self-description" by either a misguided or deliberately vandalizing editor... but since nothing on the page indicates what, in any, sort of tag this is, we're just left to shrug our shoulders until someone shows up who knows about the techy stuff...---Lenoxus 01:59, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

why did you block me? Guard Pigeon Guard Pigeon 14:12, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Answered at User talk: Guard Pigeon. -- llywrch 16:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Upload image

Do you think you could upload an image of this beautiful shrine onto the Misplaced Pages web page for Senusret I? It is a great photo of this king's Karnak shrine. Here is the Misplaced Pages Commons image: Leoboudv 11:18, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear Llywrch, Thank you for your help on uploading the photo and the link for uploading pictures. Just a brief comment: if you had stated that the picture of Senusret I's chapel should be 100 rather than 2000 pixels, what would have happened? Would the picture have been fuzzier or would it have taken up more space in the web page on Senusret I? Thank You Leoboudv 10:11, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:MILHIST Coordinator Elections

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capitals

Thanks for copy-editing my stuff - I know it needs it. However, I feel a little uneasy when you consistently call the place of a wereda administration a capital. Even for a zonal administration it sounds a bit pompous. I would agree to call a regional administrative center a capital, but for lower levels I am looking for a better term, which explains my wordiness in some of the entries. -- Landroving Linguist 12:21, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

The Tomb of the Scipones

Couple of questions on my talk page about this. Thanks! --Doug 20:28, 5 February 2007 (UTC) Yes, that is the edit! Thanks, I will follow up on these great leads. That was exactly what I was looking for. If I need additional, I'll get back to you later. This will keep me busy for awhile. --Doug 21:08, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Rococo Camp

Hi Llywrch, I actually already have plans for that weekend, but thanks for the notice. I'm afraid I don't really have the time or money for conferences anymore, unless they are medieval ones, and even then I can't get to all the interesting ones! Adam Bishop 08:33, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

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Hi

Thanks for the extra question on my RfA; I've answered it, and I hope that helps you (or others) make their decision. Cheers, riana_dzasta 23:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Gulo-Makeda

He's probably right. There's an area in N. Ethiopia very close to the border w/ Eritrea called Gulo-Makeda (or Goulo-Makèda in the French spelling). If this is referring to that area, then Gulomahda is incorrect. Is Gulomahda the CSA spelling, and do you have a copy of the original Ge'ez? I'm pretty sure the regions are one in the same, however, as these articles refer to a certain "Gulo Mekeda" (and Gulo Mekheda, the k becomes "kh" in Tigrinya when in certain vowel environments) woreda. I would move it to "Gulo-Makeda" ("Makeda" is the most common spelling for the Queen of Sheba, even if it's not the most faithful transliteration). — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 21:55, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

State leaders

I noticed you were adding more African leaders to the state leaders pages, and I had a question about your placementof the Adal Sultanate. You put it independently of Ethiopia, although for the times you added it, it was under Ethiopian control. I think it would be more appropriate to put it as a bullet under Ethiopia, along with other vassal kingdom-provinces. For periods prior to the 14th century, however, it would be an independent bullet. I say this because I noticed that the French domains are listed under France rather than as states in their own right. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 03:46, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, I found a source with exact dates for the Solomonic restoration (10 Nehase) and Yekuno Amlak's death (16 Sene) (stated by Zara Yaqob), but I'm not sure as to the exact dates in AD. You wouldn't happen to know a convertor that can do dates that far back, do you? — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 01:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

RE: Question on Natl1's RFA

Hello Llywrch, I have answered your question on My RFA. I hope this will assist you and others to come to a decision.--Natl1 (Talk Page) (Contribs) 23:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for commenting in my RfA

Hi, Llwrch, I just wanted to thank you for your input on my RfA, which was successful with a final tally of 61/0/2. I know you had some concerns about my possibilities for burnout or that I wasn't interested enough in improving Misplaced Pages's content. It is my hope that my conduct as an administrator will assuage your concerns. If you have any comments about my use of the tools I would be glad to hear from you on my talk page. Thanks again for your comments. Heimstern Läufer 09:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

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Request for info on Battle of Gallabat

Regarding your request about the phrase "the conflict dwindled to small-scale crossborder raiding" on the Battle of Gallabat article: it comes from Churchill' book The river war. This book is mainly about Sudan, and I'm not sure how accurate it is about Ethiopia. So if you have a reliable source that contradicts this, feel free to change the article.Raoulduke47 11:22, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Libertarians and Liberals

Llywrch, thanks for checking out blog.valuewiki.com. My ad hoc research prompted another Wikipedian, User:C mon, to conduct a more exhaustive political survey of 200 randomly selected Wikipedians. With his permission, I've posted C mon's findings on my blog.

C mon may expand his survey to include a wider sample. But so far, I think the results are pretty interesting.

By the way, I enjoy Original-Research! Jonathan Stokes 01:24, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:Ahmad Gragn

Great info, and very interesting. It seems that you are quoting directly from Futuh al-Habashah, which is fine in some places, but a few of the additions seem to err on the side of OR, IMHO. Specifically, these two sentences may cross the line:

Then there are numerous occasions where the Futuh supplies evidence for an argument from silence. There are numerous passages in the Futuh where Imam Ahmad and the Somali people are mentioned together, and never once does 'Arab Faqih mention the ethnic connection. Further, the Somali warriors are described as having fled during the Battle of Shimbra Kure; had the Imam been Somali, would the Futuh which otherwise praises the Imam at every turn, would this embarassing detail have been mentioned?

So far these argue against the Imam being descended from Somali ancestors (although in any case there are undeniably Somali families who can claim to be his descendants). In favor of this connection, there is the fact that after disagreeing with Sultan Umar Din over the alms tax, Imam Ahmad retired to live amongst the Somali -- which can be used to argue that he was a Somali.

The claim that because the Futuh praises the Imam thoroughly and therefore wouldn't have criticized the fleeing Somali warriors if he were Somali seems to be interpreting the primary sources much too far. I also feel the judgement that the fact that he retired among the Somali may indicates that he's Somali involves too much inference from the data; depending on the specific wording on the sentence, it could imply that he's not Somali (having to withdraw into a foreign population) or Somali (reverting back to his roots). Do you know of any secondary sources that analyze the primary data? Along the same vein, I think you should look into the discussion at Talk:Tigrinya language and Talk:Semitic languages regarding the number of Tigrinya speakers. There's a user called Itayb whom I believe is being a bit of a jobsworth regarding the type of sources that can be used and what constitutes OR. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 03:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it was only recently translated into English (just a few years ago), and only existed in an Arabic and little-known French form beforehand, so until recently historians didn't make much use of it, although Pankhurst did quote passages in his 1967 Ethiopian royal chronicles. I still think that these sections need to be rewritten to remove the OR. As for his time among the Somali, why not add that evidence with the rewrite? the article isn't exactly long as it stands and could use more length (plus, it should in the future be split into the persona and the actual war). As for roving vandals, I wouldn't worry to much about those. They'll surely try to claim he was from some clan or another, but simple reverts are all that are required. I'm more worried about the integrity of the I.M Lewis quote in the Adal article regarding the most named Somali clans, which are often changed without citation. It was I who originally added it (which I don't remember), but it's been changed numerous times and at risk to be changed in the future. Going back to Gragn, I have a question regarding his brother's nephew. Are you sure that he's the sone of Ahmad's aunt? that would make his father one of Ahmad's brothers, meaning that his brother married one of his aunts, which seems like an unlikely occurence to me (even for the Afar and Somalis who marry close rather than non-relatives like highlanders, the preference is for cousins; I'd think aunts would be out of the question). — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 20:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)