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| Hi. I've read your posts and appreciate your trying to "clean up any mess I made." Your post on BunchofGrapes' page is the one I feel I must reply to. If you didn't notice that specifically ''your'' block was the last straw that drove off a great editor—if you see that as "simply a dispute over policy interpretation" and wonder how anybody can be mad at you over such a thing — then I think you're demonstrating lack of awareness of your surroundings right in that post there. I remember how you thought was about ''you'' leaving Misplaced Pages in disgust... No, it wasn't, it was about somebody else doing that (Worldtraveller. Not you.) And it was about ''your role in making him leave''. I'm sorry to have to say this, but there again you came off, to me, as a little unaware of other people and simply zooming in on ''you''. What can I say? I don't know you, I'm absolutely not out to dismiss or flame you. I hope my impression isn't representative. I hope you're mostly a thoughtful admin, and slow on the block button. ] | ] 10:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC). | Hi. I've read your posts and appreciate your trying to "clean up any mess I made." Your post on BunchofGrapes' page is the one I feel I must reply to. If you didn't notice that specifically ''your'' block was the last straw that drove off a great editor—if you see that as "simply a dispute over policy interpretation" and wonder how anybody can be mad at you over such a thing — then I think you're demonstrating lack of awareness of your surroundings right in that post there. I remember how you thought was about ''you'' leaving Misplaced Pages in disgust... No, it wasn't, it was about somebody else doing that (Worldtraveller. Not you.) And it was about ''your role in making him leave''. I'm sorry to have to say this, but there again you came off, to me, as a little unaware of other people and simply zooming in on ''you''. What can I say? I don't know you, I'm absolutely not out to dismiss or flame you. I hope my impression isn't representative. I hope you're mostly a thoughtful admin, and slow on the block button. ] | ] 10:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC). | ||
| :It may have been the last straw, but it was only a straw. I didn't make him leave, he decided to leave. I am glad that the animosity I have received is starting to fade. I don't think I am the reason he left. It was more likely that this decision was a long time coming. I suppose I could have held his hand an explained for a fourth time that personal attacks were disruptive, that may have stopped him from leaving, but I doubt it, he was already pissed off about the first block. People don't leave long term projects over little things like the, but more over a more long term problem. | |||
| :I think he left because he did not get the answers he demanded, the apology he received from the other admin was not enough. I think he left because the dispute resolution process was not compatible with what he wanted. I think he left because he thought of his peers as fuckwits. | |||
| :"In extreme cases, even isolated personal attacks may lead to a block for disruption". This was not an isolated personal attack, he received several warnings over weeks, then insulted every admin that was involved including the one he was asking an unblock from, this is extreme and disruptive to me. Perhaps the wording of NPA needs to be less subjective. | |||
| :It is still my hopes the Worldtraveller comes back, I left him a message explaining how to use his e-mail to reset his password, he responded by saying his e-mail was disabled. I still hope he comes back with a new account, but if he does he needs to follow our policy, and if he cannot do that he may just leave in a huff again. | |||
| :If I have to choose between a person breaking policy leaving in disgust, or people not breaking policy but receiving insults leaving in disgust, I will choose the one that breaks policy first any day. Insults drive away good editors, and without some sort of recourse to policy, I would have left long ago. The only reason I put up with the daily abuse from people is that I know it is against policy. | |||
| :Without the NPA policy having force and effect we will lose our good users and be left with those who use nasty words to gain an advantage in debate. Regardless, I am not going to be performing any personal attack block until I do some real research. This will include discussions, and looking through the blocking log of admins I respect, including you. While I disagree, I will accept the community consensus in this matter. ]<small> <sup>(Need help? ])</sup></small> 15:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Removed your prod on Afghan Hip-Hop
Just an alert that I removed your prod on Afghan Hip-Hop after adding some sources. The article is still in dire need of cleanup, but I think the two sources listed may prove sufficient notability. One other possibility would be to delete this article and instead create one on DJ Besho, who appears to be the primary subject of both articles, as I'm not sure how widespread the genre is at this point beyond his music. Comments appreciated. JavaTenor 00:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Looks good. InBC 04:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi
Hi. I've read your posts and appreciate your trying to "clean up any mess I made." Your post on BunchofGrapes' page is the one I feel I must reply to. If you didn't notice that specifically your block was the last straw that drove off a great editor—if you see that as "simply a dispute over policy interpretation" and wonder how anybody can be mad at you over such a thing — then I think you're demonstrating lack of awareness of your surroundings right in that post there. I remember how you thought this ANI post was about you leaving Misplaced Pages in disgust... No, it wasn't, it was about somebody else doing that (Worldtraveller. Not you.) And it was about your role in making him leave. I'm sorry to have to say this, but there again you came off, to me, as a little unaware of other people and simply zooming in on you. What can I say? I don't know you, I'm absolutely not out to dismiss or flame you. I hope my impression isn't representative. I hope you're mostly a thoughtful admin, and slow on the block button. Bishonen | talk 10:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC).
- It may have been the last straw, but it was only a straw. I didn't make him leave, he decided to leave. I am glad that the animosity I have received is starting to fade. I don't think I am the reason he left. It was more likely that this decision was a long time coming. I suppose I could have held his hand an explained for a fourth time that personal attacks were disruptive, that may have stopped him from leaving, but I doubt it, he was already pissed off about the first block. People don't leave long term projects over little things like the, but more over a more long term problem.
- I think he left because he did not get the answers he demanded, the apology he received from the other admin was not enough. I think he left because the dispute resolution process was not compatible with what he wanted. I think he left because he thought of his peers as fuckwits.
- "In extreme cases, even isolated personal attacks may lead to a block for disruption". This was not an isolated personal attack, he received several warnings over weeks, then insulted every admin that was involved including the one he was asking an unblock from, this is extreme and disruptive to me. Perhaps the wording of NPA needs to be less subjective.
- It is still my hopes the Worldtraveller comes back, I left him a message explaining how to use his e-mail to reset his password, he responded by saying his e-mail was disabled. I still hope he comes back with a new account, but if he does he needs to follow our policy, and if he cannot do that he may just leave in a huff again.
- If I have to choose between a person breaking policy leaving in disgust, or people not breaking policy but receiving insults leaving in disgust, I will choose the one that breaks policy first any day. Insults drive away good editors, and without some sort of recourse to policy, I would have left long ago. The only reason I put up with the daily abuse from people is that I know it is against policy.
- Without the NPA policy having force and effect we will lose our good users and be left with those who use nasty words to gain an advantage in debate. Regardless, I am not going to be performing any personal attack block until I do some real research. This will include discussions, and looking through the blocking log of admins I respect, including you. While I disagree, I will accept the community consensus in this matter. InBC 15:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)