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	The last sentence of the current lead reads, "Thanks to this machine and its predecessors, Zuse has often been regarded as the inventor of the modern computer." It was followed by SIX sources, which seems a bit excessive. Of the six, the following seems the least reliable: no author, no date, no sources - and who/what is RT-Distribution (main page says "under reconstruction"). So I have removed it from the article and am preserving it here.		The last sentence of the current lead reads, "Thanks to this machine and its predecessors, Zuse has often been regarded as the inventor of the modern computer." It was followed by SIX sources, which seems a bit excessive. Of the six, the following seems the least reliable: no author, no date, no sources - and who/what is RT-Distribution (main page says "under reconstruction")? So I have removed it from the article and am preserving it here.

	* {{cite web \|author=<!--Not stated--> \|date= \|title=Konrad Zuse \|url=http://www.rtd-net.de/Zuse.html \|url-status=live \|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220407010357/http://www.rtd-net.de/Zuse.html \|archive-date=7 April 2022 \|access-date= \|website=rtd-net.de \|publisher=RT-Distribution \|quote=From various sides Konrad Zuse was awarded with the title 'Inventor of the computer'.}}		* {{cite web \|author=<!--Not stated--> \|date= \|title=Konrad Zuse \|url=http://www.rtd-net.de/Zuse.html \|url-status=live \|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220407010357/http://www.rtd-net.de/Zuse.html \|archive-date=7 April 2022 \|access-date= \|website=rtd-net.de \|publisher=RT-Distribution \|quote=From various sides Konrad Zuse was awarded with the title 'Inventor of the computer'.}}

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No mention of the working model at the Univery of Erlangen

Why is this not there? They have restored a Zuse Z23 and got it working. That should really be in there. --~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:CD:E705:8D99:5891:F550:9332:8AA2 (talk) 13:37, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

IEEE Computer Pioneers by J. A. N. Lee

Short: Biography, Education, Honors and Awards

Zuse, Konrad, Computer Design-Past, Present, Future: talk given by Prof. Konrad Zuse, in Lund/Sweden, Oct. 2, 1987, IEEE

"Computer Pioneers - Konrad Zuse". history.computer.org. --89.25.210.104 (talk) 23:57, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Appreciated

From about the fifth page of An Introduction to Digital Philosophy, by Edward Fredkin, International Journal of Theoretical Physics, Vol. 42, No. 2, February 2003:

"We then discovered Konrad Zuse, who in the late 1960s, came up with a similar general concept of DP, and published a book called Rechnender Raum (“Calculating space”) (Zuse, 1969). We invited him to come to MIT where (according to his account) he found the ideas in his book appreciated for the first and only time during his life."

I believe that was the occasion of the 1981 Physics of Computation conference at MIT, organized by Fredkin, Landauer and Toffoli, papers from which were published in 3 issues of the International Journal of Theoretical Physics in 1982. 110.20.157.59 (talk) 12:54, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Whole reconstruction paragraph needs citations

Between 1987 and 1989, Zuse recreated the Z1, suffering a heart attack midway through the project. It cost 800,000 DM, (approximately $500,000) and required four individuals (including Zuse) to assemble it. Funding for this retrocomputing project was provided by Siemens and a consortium of five companies.

--89.25.210.104 (talk) 17:01, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

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By Telegraph Act of 1869 Mr Zuse was born into Guam ! SCpGEN (talk) 08:12, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make (or what you're even talking about). –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:40, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Zuse AG or Zuse KG?

This article, and some other places, say "Zuse KG" as Zuse's company's name. A book I have, The History of Computers by Les Freed, along with pages resulting from a Google search for "Zuse AG", say that Zuse's company was called "Zuse AG". Most of those Google results actually seem to use "Zuse KG" and "Zuse AG" interchangeably. Example: https://medium.com/predict/the-worlds-first-commercially-sold-fully-functional-computer-z4-252983cf033a --Golemwire (talk) 19:58, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

for "references" or "legacy" or something section

Someone told me SUSE Linux was named after him / in his honor. Might contact the SUSE Linux offices for confirmation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.211.210.202 (talk) 04:38, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Nope - it's an acronym for "Software und System-Entwicklung". See SUSE Linux (this is an encyclopedia :) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 15:17, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Mistake found on main page

Mistake found on main page "Zuse built the S1 and S2 computing machines" i think have to correct to "Zuse built the Z1 and Z2 computing machines" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gnbc (talk • contribs) 17:11, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Addition to Awards and Honours section

Potentially worth noting here that in 2010 there was a Google Doodle dedicated to Zuse's 100th birthday shown in Germany. Nessle7 (talk) 15:47, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Preserving older source

This source was the same as the one it preceded in the article, except this one is dated 1997 and the other is dated 1998. I have moved it here to preserve it.

Rojas, Raúl (5 September 1997). "How to make Zuse's Z3 a Universal Computer". mi.fu-berlin.de. Fachbereich Mathematik und Informatik. Archived from the original (PDF) on 26 February 2021. Retrieved 12 May 2021. ... from an abstract theoretical perspective, the computing model of the Z3 is equivalent to the computing model of today's computers. From a practical perspective, and in the way the Z3 was really programmed, it was not equivalent to modern computers.

Lightbreather (talk) Lightbreather (talk) 21:39, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Preserving less reliable source

The last sentence of the current lead reads, "Thanks to this machine and its predecessors, Zuse has often been regarded as the inventor of the modern computer." It was followed by SIX sources, which seems a bit excessive. Of the six, the following seems the least reliable: no author, no date, no sources - and who/what is RT-Distribution (main page says "under reconstruction")? So I have removed it from the article and am preserving it here.

"Konrad Zuse". rtd-net.de. RT-Distribution. Archived from the original on 7 April 2022. From various sides Konrad Zuse was awarded with the title 'Inventor of the computer'.

Lightbreather (talk) Lightbreather (talk) 00:25, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Inventor of the "modern" computer?

I see that this has been a contentious debate off- and on-wiki, but I'd like to leave my opinion here, for what it's worth. The lead currently contains the sentence, "Thanks to this machine and its predecessors, Zuse has often been regarded as the inventor of the modern computer."

I believe Zuse could definitely be credited as some kind of first in the development of the modern computer, but since there is no agreement on what defines a "modern" computer, that word does not belong in the sentence. The citations placed in support of the word don't support it. Rojas wrote: "Konrad Zuse is popularly recognized in Germany as the father of the computer, and his Z1, a programmable automaton built from 1936 to 1938, has been called the first computer in the world. Other nations reserve this honor for one of their own scientists, and there has been a long and often acrimonious debate on the issue of who is the true inventor of the computer." Flippo wrote: "The German civil engineer Konrad Zuse is considered the inventor of the first digital and programmable computers." Von Leszczynski wrote: "There's strong evidence that built the world's first computer in Berlin." And again, to Rojas: "... from an abstract theoretical perspective, the computing model of the Z3 is equivalent to the computing model of today's computers. From a practical perspective, and in the way the Z3 was really programmed, it was not equivalent to modern computers."

Those sources don't support use of the words "inventor of the modern computer."

What Bellis wrote - "Konrad Zuse earned the semiofficial title of 'inventor of the modern computer'" - would be great if it were sourced, but I haven't figured out how she came to make that statement. The words "inventor of the modern computer" are in quotes: who said them? How was this determined to be a "semiofficial title"?

I dug as deeply as I was able into the English sources cited. Quite a few were incomplete citations and/or lacked links to archived copies, so I fixed that. I am not going to change that lead sentence because I am avoiding conflict, but I think there is definitely an opportunity to improve this article.

Lightbreather (talk) Lightbreather (talk) 00:46, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

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