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just had a question. this distraction is an entertaining show. however,if someone wins a car and it is patially destroyed does shows insuranse pick up the cost or does the contestant which would seem lousy to me. trever

Gaining recognition

"Carr eventually gained recognition" - this needs to be expanded cos ur gay!, I think. I personally remember seeing this unfunny prat (if you'll excuse my opinion) for the first time doing stand-up on some variety performance, where he displayed his pitiful array of punchlines with a perfectly straight face (which is apparently hilarious?). Now, I can't quite remember which performance this was, but someone out there must know something about Carr's past before he started popping up on every damn show on Channel 4. 2 July 2005 18:01 (UTC)

It was the Royal Variety Performance, but I can't remember which year. That was the first time I'd seen him on TV too; I laughed like a drain. :) DWaterson 21:06, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

NOOOOOOOO? UR ALL WRONG

yeah it was I still remember that show it pwned

I disagree I find him to be a humourous entertainer

GOY BOI

Is he really Irish? He's in the category of Irish comedians, but his bio does not mention once that he's Irish. He's also not funny, but that's just my opinion.

YES - his mother and father are both Irish. That makes him Irish. He has an Irish passport.

Simply having Irish parents doesn't make you Irish. By that logic, everyone on the planet is African. 84.70.95.236 22:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

He was born in Slough - so no, he's not Irish... And he's very funny - but thats just my opinion

Irish

He was born to Irish parents and carries an Irish passport . Looks like he wishes to be considered an Irish Citizen. Dugo 00:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The source currently given to substantiate the claim that he is English isn't really valid, as it's taken from a short pre-written quip during a show to an American audience specifically to set up a joke, where, given the circumstances (limited amount of time he had to deliver the line combined with the ignorance of american audiences on everything) he couldn't have possibly explained that he was Irish and yet had an English accent. The source given above by Dugo is far more valid. I'm changing it. WildlifeAnalysis 21:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The counter source isn't that helpful either, it says he retains an Irish passport but that doesn't tell us if he is or is not a dual national nor does it tell us what nationality he considers himself. Perhaps English-Irish would be better untill we have a clear answer. Alci12 16:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

That works for me. I'll change it to that, but it seems like it won't last very long, as there are random users, often anonymous, changing it strictly to English practically every day, obviously without reading the discussion page. WildlifeAnalysis 14:51, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

English-Irish sounds horrible, and split nationalities like that for the sake of argument aren't favoured by Misplaced Pages. Having an Irish passport is irrelevant, because by default you get one if you have Irish parents. The fact that he was born in England will mean he has either an English one too, or one with dual nationality. He's also made no claims otherwise: he stated, on his XFM radio show, that he is English; obviously I can't reference that because it was ages ago. So WP:MOSBIO states that the nationality will be the one for which the subject is most notable, i.e. English. BTW, I'm Scottish, so I'm not biased one way or the other. BertieBasset 15:02, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Interestingly, I just followed the link given on the article to substantiate the claim that he was born in England and the link cited doesn't mention that at all. In fact, I just found another site (http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/magazine/2006/0909/1156791506043.html) in which he states that he was in fact born in Ireland, and moved to England at some point during his childhood. So the "English because he was born in England" bit won't fly. So seeing as how he was born in Ireland, to Irish parents, and has an Irish passport (is there even a source saying that he has an English passport/citizenship at all?), I think it's safe to say he can be quite clearly defined as Irish. WildlifeAnalysis 15:48, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I know this seems to have been settled, but just to further confirm he is Irish, carries an Irish passport, was born in Ireland to two Irish parents; he says so himself on his Parkinso interview which can be found about 8 mintes into his showreel on this page www.myspace.com/jimmycarrlive - just to confirm :)--86.147.171.159 22:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, that seems to settle it. I've put a disclaimer on the article. BertieBasset 17:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

O'Misplaced Pages and Nationality

Here we go again. Let's rename this place O'Misplaced Pages. The Edge and Adam Clayton of U2 were both born in Britain to British parents and have British passports, but numerous "editors" refuse to allow either to be referred to as British because they've both lived in Ireland for a long time and are famous as part of an Irish band. So by that logic (sic), Carr who was brought up, educated and became famous in Britain as part of British culture on British TV must be British, right? But of course, when did real logic ever come into play in this resource? Whatever the argument the answer always seems to be "Irish"! And different rules apply on every page in order to resolve disputes. 86.17.247.135 12:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

PS I'm reminded of a past Mischa Barton dispute, a woman born in Britain with a British father and Irish mother (and at the time held a British passport but NOT a US passport with dual citizenship). Some idiot "editors" refused to allow any reference to her being "British", "English" or even "Anglo-American" (though even that was incorrect at the time) and then immediately declared she was "Irish-American" and amended the article accordingly, refusing to allow that to be deleted! Thankfully that ridiculous decision was eventually overruled by a sensible account holder, but it illustrates my point about O'Misplaced Pages. 86.17.247.135 13:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

You don't seem to have a point. As living in a country doesn't make you that nationality, neither The Edge or Adam Clayton is Irish, nor are they listed as such. If you could descrive how being born to Irish parents, in Ireland, and holding an Irish passport makes Jimmy Carr British, please do. SteveLamacq43 15:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I am not seriously arguing that Carr is British, I was mocking something else: my point was very clearly about consistency on Misplaced Pages and the pro-Irish bias so often (too often) observed here. All the facts that you raise about how Carr is Irish are exactly the ones other account holders elsewhere declare completely irrelevant to nationality, then they cite Wiki guidance to stop you changing an article on the matter. Neither of the named members of U2 are noted as Irish, that's correct - though in fact they used to be until I spent days arguing for the false info to be removed. But even though 'Irish' has been removed neither will certain "editors" allow them to be noted as British in their articles instead, even though both are British, insisting that where you and you parents were born, your bloodline and passport and the fact that you have not changed the citizenship of your birth are less important than where you have lived for most of your life and what people think of you as. The justifications given, which as previously mentioned invoke a number of Wiki rules (many of which are extremely vague, highly subjective and often as contradictory as the bible; but I digress) centre mainly about long-term residence, popular identity, part of a national culture etc. If we apply the Wiki rules (sic) applied to The Edge by several Editors then Carr must be British. But of course he's not - it's highlighting the ridiculous attitude of some people. By the way, head over the the List of Irish People and see that the list includes "people who choose to adopt an Irish identity". Seriously. So I can become Oirish today if I simply "adopt an Irish identity" it seems! I'm not making it up. O'Misplaced Pages! 86.17.247.135 02:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Does anybody actually have a quote from Jimmy about what nationality he considers himself to be? Obviously I can't verify it, but at a show I went to recently he said he considered himself to be English... 80.47.134.108 22:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I dont really care which he is, English or Irish, but the fact that his infobox says Irish and the first line of his bio says English has to be fixed. --
Ferdia O'Brien The Archiver And The Vandal Watchman 13:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I've just read on another Wiki discussion page that Carr's family tree takes him immediately to Ireland (of course) but then back to England: it's the home of his ancestors (yes, believe it or not many people in Ireland have English ancestry - shock! horror!). By the usual Wiki rational that MUST make Carr an Englishman just as everyone in America is called Irish because they can find at least one historical connection with the place (no doubt ignoring multiple British connections that will almost certainly exist)! Huzzah! 62.25.106.209 14:52, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

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