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:::::@Jtbobwaysf: According to what, and who? ] is the AP doesn't generally require ]. Per ]: {{tq|''"…Arguments that entirely exclude such a source must be '''strong and convincing'''…"''}} (emphasis added). Thus far, only weak, unconvincing opinions, with zero evidence have been presented as backing. --&nbsp;]&nbsp;'''</sup></span>]] 01:57, 22 May 2023 (UTC) :::::@Jtbobwaysf: According to what, and who? ] is the AP doesn't generally require ]. Per ]: {{tq|''"…Arguments that entirely exclude such a source must be '''strong and convincing'''…"''}} (emphasis added). Thus far, only weak, unconvincing opinions, with zero evidence have been presented as backing. --&nbsp;]&nbsp;'''</sup></span>]] 01:57, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
::::::Everything depends on the claim. Hoping to put a ] violation in wikivoice from a single source isnt going to pass here. ] (]) 02:30, 22 May 2023 (UTC) ::::::Everything depends on the claim. Hoping to put a ] violation in wikivoice from a single source isnt going to pass here. ] (]) 02:30, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Barring any ]: It mainly depends upon the '''''source''''' of claims (] and ] our proxies for ]). And The AP ''de jure'' passes flag and "]" concerns.
:::::::What part of BLP is violated?? Misplaced Pages is ]… It's not a BLP violation if it's verifiable. Global consensus '''always''' trumps whatever bollocks misconceptions are dreamed of here…
:::::::] but, you're the only one (]. ]. ].) {{diff||prev|1154860478|claiming AP churns out fake news}}, isn't a reliable source for this information, and ] imposing a litany requirement…
:::::::(We'll need more than risable {{diff||prev|1148776070|chest thumps}}, because some contributors legit ] – the fallout and ] can always be dealt with later…) Happy Trails! --&nbsp;]&nbsp;'''</sup></span>]] 04:41, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


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break something

@InfiniteNexus:, I see this article is "in sync" with

I made this edit

Did I break something or should I have made this edit using a sync tool? First time I have seen this "sync" used. Is there an autosync tool being used for this?

Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 08:06, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

It's manually synced. The revision linked at the top of the page is the version of Acquisition of Twitter by Elon Musk that this draft was last synced to (by me). That version did not include the text you added. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:05, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for clarification. Do you think this article is ready to go live or we need to add other content? Jtbobwaysf (talk) 01:20, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
Let's take this to Talk:Acquisition of Twitter by Elon Musk#Potential split. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:21, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

name

I was wondering about names for this article. We already have Twitter and that would at some point in time cover all that is twitter. We do have this interim period where we have Acquisition of Twitter by Elon Musk which covers a distinct event. Here we are considering creating a new article that would somehow bridge the gap between the events surrounding the acquisition and Musk's transition to full management control of the company. I'll make a list below, feel free to edit and comment. Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 01:35, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Thus should we call this

I find the current title to be concise enough, do you not agree? InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:18, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
I am ok with it. Was just feeling things out. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 00:44, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
That's fair. InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:26, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

"accusations of pro-Republican bias"

User:Binksternet has twice reverted my remoavel of the statement that the recent NPR-related controversy has led to ""accusations of pro-Republican bias" -but as I noted when I removed this, none of the 3 sources for that statement actually make that claim. Please don't add it again unless you have also add a reliable source that explicitly says that, thanks. Red Slapper (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 13:52, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Be careful the boomerang here. You are talking about another very senior editor reverting the same content that I also reverted? Starting to look like WP:TE, be careful you wont be editing this article much longer if it continues. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 07:34, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
I don't understand what you mean. Either the sources say there were accusations of pro-Republican bias, or they don't. If they don't , it doesn't matter if a "very senior editor", or even two, want to say that, it can't stay in the article. Red Slapper (talk) 12:54, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
@Red Slapper In the local parlance and jargon, this is called "failed verification". You are correct in removing any material not backed by the source. You are also correct in understanding that it's what that actually matters, not who.
For the rest of that… stuff… always be mindful of potential boomerangs, but nevermind the bollocks. Happy Trails! -- dsprc  23:54, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Layoffs

I thought Musk stated in the Tucker Carlson interview recently that he had cut 80% of staff. NYT reported less than 2k staff in Feb. 26, 2023. In the (BBC) interview this month he stated he cut from just under 8k staff to 1500 staff. Seems there is more (up to date) in the public domain than we are currently stating. Comments? Jtbobwaysf (talk) 05:50, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

We can mention his latest comments, but we shouldn't remove the old numbers. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:25, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
Agree, the old numbers show a timeframe of layoffs and is encyclopedic. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 17:32, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Subsection about Musk's use of Twitter to spread misinformation

It is now abundantly clear that Musk is using Twitter to spread misinformation; see https://apnews.com/article/twitter-musk-texas-mall-shooting-misleading-claims-c297797d1eb0f708cc84d05e0735d8cc. We should at least address the behavior in the article, ideally by referring to this example and others. QRep2020 (talk) 07:43, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

We need a litany of RS for this claim. AP News is also well known to spread misinformation. Pot calling the kettle black here... Jtbobwaysf (talk) 03:49, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Strange then that the AP is considered a perennial source on Misplaced Pages.
As for your litany suggestion:
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230419-stamp-of-approval-twitter-s-musk-amplifies-misinformation
https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-twitter-inc-technology-san-francisco-d1db5688e11f0b7a82fb4a815f8149f6
https://www.npr.org/2022/12/14/1142666067/elon-musk-is-using-the-twitter-files-to-discredit-foes-and-push-conspiracy-theor
https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/04/27/how-elon-musk-has-repeatedly-amplified-false-claims-and-boosted-disinformation-accounts-on
QRep2020 (talk) 04:46, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
The Associated Press is a highly reliable source, the "misinformation" claim is false. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:23, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
On what basis? QRep2020 (talk) 22:13, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
AP by itself will not be sufficient to put this claim in wikivoice. If the editor is trying to state that 'AP says xyz about Musk', it is a different matter. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 05:06, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
@Jtbobwaysf: According to what, and who? Global consensus is the AP doesn't generally require in-text attribution. Per WP:GREL: "…Arguments that entirely exclude such a source must be strong and convincing…" (emphasis added). Thus far, only weak, unconvincing opinions, with zero evidence have been presented as backing. -- dsprc  01:57, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Everything depends on the claim. Hoping to put a WP:BLP violation in wikivoice from a single source isnt going to pass here. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 02:30, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Barring any red flags: It mainly depends upon the source of claims (WP:RS and WP:V our proxies for Truth™). And The AP de jure passes flag and "wikivoice" concerns.
What part of BLP is violated?? Misplaced Pages is warts and all… It's not a BLP violation if it's verifiable. Global consensus always trumps whatever bollocks misconceptions are dreamed of here…
I don't care but, you're the only one (With. No. Evidence.) claiming AP churns out fake news, isn't a reliable source for this information, and unilaterally imposing a litany requirement…
(We'll need more than risable chest thumps, because some contributors legit DGAF – the fallout and Vogons can always be dealt with later…) Happy Trails! -- dsprc  04:41, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Name

What are we going to do with the name of this article. After Musk is no longer the CEO, is twitter still under him as owner? Or does this article focus on Musk's reforms while he was CEO? Thoughts? This article cannot go on forever as a WP:CFORK of the main Twitter article... Jtbobwaysf (talk) 03:51, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

I think it's time we stop adding new info to this article unless it directly pertains to Musk. For example, anything that the new CEO does does not belong here. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:24, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Im not opposed to that. If this article represents a distinct time period, say post acquisition until take over by another CEO, then this article makes sense. At some point in time we do need to get back to the main article to avoid continuing a fork. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 05:09, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
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