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The Origin of species

I've made some changes you might want to check out. In any event, I wanted to ask if my references, which are not like yours, are less preferred? Let me know if I can rework them somehow. Thanks. StudyAndBeWise 05:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm trying to keep up with all the edits and basically what you're doing looks good. One or two points I'll try minor adjustments, feel free to change or discuss them if you disagree. The reference system I'm trying to implement is one pushed by others for the Charles Darwin article, and Template:Harvard reference shows it pretty well. It's excellent for books where you want a lot of inline links with page numbers, and the way the DarwinOnline website works, you can make the page number an external link which takes you to that page in the book. Which in my opinion is pretty good. The inline link jumps to the citation, which in turn links down to the book in the reference list. It can be an advantage having all the references in this list, rather than scattered through the text as with the older system. However for one page websites it can be done either way, and the older system means that the inline link takes you straight to the external link rather than having another jump to the reference list. Anyway, Misplaced Pages:Harvard referencing seems to be preferred by academics, and with the recent introduction of this linking system, I can see it becoming a common system here, though Misplaced Pages:Citing sources makes this all optional. I'll probably try to bring this article into conformity with the Harvard system, but as long as the references are there, that can be sorted out in the future. Thanks for all your work, ..dave souza, talk 09:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

On Intelligent Design

I would back you on your suggestions. It is important that church group teachings/statements on ID be given due weight, the best word in the whole affair. (CptKirk)

Darwin

Howdy Dave, hope things are well. I suggest you use those nifty admin tools of yours and semi-protect Charles Darwin — we've had a seriously large amount of vandalism in the last two days. (On my quick count, we've had 13 seperate ip vandals in 2 days) Mikker 22:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... I hadn't read WP:SPP in a while and forgot about: "Semi-protection should be considered if it is the only reasonable option left to deal with vandalism on a page or to stop a banned or blocked user from editing it." Though I highly doubt we'll get useful edits from ips, you're right. Cheers, Mikker 22:49, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Filll signed your name

Dave, Filll may have inadvertantly signed your name. While it is most likely a copy and paste accident, it might give the impression that you and filll are the same person.

filll signs as Dave Suza

StudyAndBeWise 03:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I can guess how that happened, will clarify things. .. dave souza, talk 09:35, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

British Isles & Pytheas

Hi Dave. A question. I saw that you reinserted the references to Snyder and O Corrain on the British Isles Page. I've looked at those references and I can't find the text referred to in the edit. Both books can be searched online at amazon.com and the only Snyder reference I can find to Pytheas is actually just to another book. The O Corrain reference says that Pytheas called the islands "the Pretanic Islands" but gives no Greek text and no reference to a source. Since Pytheas' text didn't survive, it's a bit strange to give a quote from the text, no? It doesn't exist. He may be referring to something that Strabo or Pliny said Pytheas said, in which case we need to source it as being Pliny or Strabo and not present it as a direct quote from Pytheas. If you have the texts to hand, please disabuse me, but the online versions don't support the edit as it now stands. Can you tell me which page the Greek text is on in Snyder? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hughsheehy (talk • contribs) 21:20, 23 January 2007 (UTC).

Dave, specifically, the Greek text now in the edit is from page 12 of Snyder. Pytheas is not mentioned as the source. Hughsheehy 21:28, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

It's a good point that any reference to Pytheas must relate to fragments of the writing from later texts, just as the Massaliote Periplus is known from an even later writer. While O Corrain doesn't make that explicit, I'd still think him a pretty good source for the term being used in that way at least from the time of the earliest surviving fragment. The Snyder book was from the library and that's certainly where the Greek text came from – I'll have to check that out and read the context of the relevant pages. The Amazon search does show the words "Again, this is a geographic rather than a cultural or political designation, for at Bpettavtai, `the Brittanic Isles,' included Ireland." Snyder was the source I used for variations on the term subsequently replacing Albion as the name for Britain itself: I'll try to get it out of the library and clarify these points as far as the book goes. .. dave souza, talk 22:28, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Further comment on the BI page. Hughsheehy 00:02, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dave. I'm not sure that it was "bad" ambiguity in the Modern Usage section. One of the recent additions to the page was from an NI Unionist (or so says his user page) adding that NI Nationalists object to the term too. This makes the objection an "Ireland" thing, not just a "Republic of Ireland" thing, and the objection to the word "British", not necessarily to the UK. We've been here before, with the objection not necessarily being political but often being more about identity/parity of respect. I think it was Daniel O'Connell who said that the Irish would be perfectly happy with the UK if it would be really a "United" Kingdom and not one where being Irish was second best. Your changes make it political again. Not sure it's a good move. Hughsheehy 11:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The ambiguity is still there in the opening statement that it's "considered irritating or offensive by some, primarily in Ireland", which includes NI nationalists. Usage for the UK clearly and appropriately includes NI, their objection is that they want NI to be in the RoI. Arguably there's a separate objection to British being associated with GB rather than the UK, but for those outsiders who aren't necessarily familiar with the UK including NI it was in my opinion a worthwhile clarification. ..dave souza, talk 11:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

teddy

Dave, I was a bit startled by the teddy comment, because it seemed like a non-sequitor, and perhaps was meant to make the point that I was talking rubbish. I found the link that you and Filll mentioned, so now I just wanted to ask if it was just a convenient place to talk about the teddy, and so really was an unrelated comment, or was an attempt to change subject, or something else I haven't considered.Trishm 00:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, it was just a trivial rather off-topic little story of what had just happened: the Steve Project's on my watchlist, and I checked out the anon edit to see if it was vandalism – then left it alone when I wasn't sure, but noticed that the petition calls ID creationist pseudoscience. So that appeared to me to relate to the discussion on improving citations, though the three cites already in place cover that adequately. Pity they don't call it junk science, though Pennock's a good source for that in my opinion. Filll's quite right to delete that "teddy" link, apologies for my rather irrelevant remark mentioning it in the wrong place. No ulterior intention. ... dave souza, talk 07:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

No apology needed, I'm just aware that I haven't got a good handle on the sensitivities around here yet. Trishm 09:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Heads up on evolution/creation controversy

Dave, I tried to address some concerns I had recently. These concerns, and a pointer to the diff in which I address only some of them, can be found at the discussion here: StudyAndBeWise 03:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much for letting me know, your development of the article is much appreciated and I'll try to clarify things in a way that meets your concerns. .. dave souza, talk 08:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Background info on Creationism

Dave, thanks for this lengthy note. There is so much in this, that I'm going to have to study it. I think it provides material for my upcoming "compendious table of Creationist hogwash" (er, cough, spectrum of belief). --Uncle Ed 21:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem, it does seem to cause some confusion as they're useful terms for the "types" but Scott probably made some of them up, and they're not as cut and dried as they seem at first glance. .. dave souza, talk 21:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Level of Support for Evolution

Dave, please take a look here. This is not getting much attention, and I'd like some others to help out. Thanks. StudyAndBeWise 08:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I've had a look through TalkOrigins Archive and the "is a frequently disputed topic" statement seems hard to find a citation for. I've therefore suggested that we Reconsider the first sentence – see what you think. ...dave souza, talk 10:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		Given to Dave souza in recognition of your work in keeping wikipedia vandal free JWJW Long Live Esperanza! :) 11:23, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:Social Darwinism

I asked about the move on article's talk page some time ago and there were no objections. Usually such words are not capitalized, see also Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (capitalization) and Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (capital letters). But perhaps I am mistaken, I will not oppose a move back.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  19:04, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Shurely so...

Irony from the start, it seems. British or maybe Aussie irony, I suspect, judging from the edit summary here .Trishm 02:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Sounds likely. Revenge for Neighbours? Huh! Neighbours was revenge for "Are You Being Served".Trishm 11:29, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Monkey song

What is the monkey song?--Filll 00:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Unbanning

Hi, I promise I won't upload anymore images I have found on the internet. The next articles I wanted to write were about medi-evil individuals who there are no pictures of anyway. The photos I wanted to upload, were of White Lions for the White Lion article. I understand the rules and laws now. 195.137.109.177 19:28, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Glad to hear it, any progress on sending confirmation of previous permissions on to the m:OTRS system? If there's a difficulty in getting clear permission for images you've uploaded, could you list them for deletion, and remove links to them from pages they're been used on – once we can show the problems have been sorted, I think you'll have a pretty good case. .. dave souza, talk 19:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Well the ClanGordonMap.jpg Image, seems to have been deleted now. How about if I re-contact and get proof for use of the MunroCastleFoulis2.jpg Image by means of the GNU FDL licence ? 195.137.109.177 19:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Pragma: no-cache Cache-Control: no-cache

Thanks

Wow, glad you fixed this because the original text was twisting my brain ;) — RevRagnarok 19:47, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem, it sounds plausible so just hope it's right. Wonder if they're European or African coconuts? ... ;) ....dave souza, talk 19:55, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Your input is requested at this AfD

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Level of support for evolution--Filll 19:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Ethnicity versus civic nations

Your edit summary: "it's both, really, just as with Scottish people" - Agreed!

We face the same problem with a lot of these bloody "people" articles (eg French people). I absolutely hate all of them - appallingly written and a goldmine for white-supremacists. No modern state in Europe (with the notable exception of Iceland) can make even a remotely valid claim to be composed of one ethnic group. The fact that Britishness is a relatively recent invention makes that proposition even harder (impossible) to swallow.

Please contribute you thoughts at the relevant Talk item I started. --Mais oui! 08:54, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Was just thinking of doing so, will do.. dave souza, talk 09:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Great Britain 16th/17th cent

Just left you a message at Template_talk:Etymology_of_British_Isles. --sony-youth 16:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I've popped a minor clarification on that page. The importance of words! .. dave souza, talk 18:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Charles Darwin

Eh, can't hurt, can it? Adam Cuerden 22:53, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Ouch! Will sleep on it. .. dave souza, talk 22:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Heh, sorry, been a bit ill, so turning it back on ye... =) Adam Cuerden 04:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Social Darwinism

I appreciate the improvements you're making to this article. ... Kenosis 15:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, this was a bit of tidying up and it's hard to find reliable sources, will comment on the article talk page. .. dave souza, talk 15:33, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

My Blog

The Baraminology reports are here and here. I used the research - though in a more encyclopedic tone and stripping the OR - to revise the Baraminology article. Next, I think I'll work on a few things germaine to created kinds (or just poke fun of their so-called research. Either way.) It's actually a shared blog, run by a cartoonist friend, and several other Dutch cartoonists. As for the flood geology site - seems perfectly sane, reliable, and accurate. Go for it! Adam Cuerden 16:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Just updated part I, by the way. Damn parody sites being entirely accurate to the claims, but being slightly more mockable. Ah, well. Luckily the real creationists are just as stupid. Adam Cuerden 20:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

...Jesus. Riding a dinosaur. Used unironicly. My mind is broken. Adam Cuerden 06:31, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Problem of getting to the Library

This is probably pretty obvious, but just in case you haven't thought of this, here is what I do. I log onto my local library system's website, and order books. They are delivered to my neighborhood library, and I pick them up once a week. This works for many (but not all) books I want. Of course, for this to work for you, you'd need to have such a library system in your locality. Hope you do. StudyAndBeWise 02:50, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

See you later

I am on strike. StudyAndBeWise 03:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I am out. You do good work. (High quality content)...but this whole thing with Adam, who is clearly trying to take the creation/evolution debate to the creation-evolution controversy article is too much for me. The quality of his additions is poor, but since he is in a clique, they stay. How this can be good for wikipedia is beyond me....chasing away somebody like me who was taking the time to find high-quality reliable sources, chasing away somebody who was taking the time to summarize and integrate them into an article, etc. And meanwhile, Adam is a sysop now. Good lord.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.215.40.207 (talk • contribs) 21:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

And you are also a sockpuppet of a previously banned user Vacuous Poet. Just in case you think I'm throwing up a false accusation or violating WP:CIVIL or any other tenet of Misplaced Pages, you can read this diff ]. In other words, you have willfully violated an indefinite ban. I would recommend other users not waste to many tears on you. Orangemarlin 16:23, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, noticed this diff when the above was added here. I judge people on their edits, not on their name or claimed credentials. ... dave souza, talk 18:17, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Me too. I suspected this individual because of some of his rantings, but I ignored it, because he "seemed" to be providing some edits, though his contributions to the discussion page were a little bit uncivil at times. But once I saw the anti-Adam commentary, I went right to the page, and figured it out. Adam is a stand-up guy, and I know that getting into the Misplaced Pages admin group takes a lot of work. You know, I'd like to see you there. I'll never be invited because I tend to be a bit tough on these guys, and it's hard for me to be fair. Probably the black and white of being a Navy Officer and a Physician. I suffer fools poorly. Orangemarlin 18:42, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey, didn't you notice my wee pepper which I added the other day? I've been admin for a long time, but have taken wise counsel and acted as a sort of reserve rather than getting massively involved – as pointed out to Adam, it's essentially janitorial work. No big deal. Anyway, our departed friend appeared to be cooperating well on some articles, and the argument at that discussion page was rather over my head so my aim was to keep amicable working relations. Vacuous Poet was a complete nuisance, StudyAndBeWise appeared to be a useful contributor but evidently reverted. Ho hum. As for the black and white, fair enough. In my former career I had to act as a quasi-arbiter, and found that being polite to fools is the best way to get them where you want them... :) .. dave souza, talk 19:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Wee pepper? Not sure I saw that. I didn't know you were admin!!!!! For some reason, I remember reading a back and forth about you a long time ago about your wanting to be one. Oh well, not sure it matters. I would make a terrible administrator, but then I looked at how many reverts, edits, warnings, and the such that I've done over the past month, maybe I should get paid to do it. You guys get paid don't you?????  :) Orangemarlin 03:18, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm....I must have missed your RFA, sorry I didn't vote for you. Of course you didn't vote in mine either :) Guettarda 03:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

<blush> Sorry about that, wasn't paying much attention to such things at the time, and still don't. My aim then was to add content, and though prodded into RfA still try to focus on that, though have also been resolving disputes in my own way. Lately I've been goofing off a bit by doing more anti-vandalism, which is why it no longer seemed too embarrassing to add the admin tag and sign up to Category:Rouge admins. So that's me outed! ...dave souza, talk 10:23, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Briton

Dave, as you've probably noticed I've "upgraded" the Briton article over the last fortnight or so. I think its an article that could be improved even more. I'd like to aim for getting it peer reviewed, do you think it has potential to be a featured article?

I'd like you imput and support on this. What do you think? --sony-youth 16:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks: have responded on your talk page. .. dave souza, talk 16:40, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks. --sony-youth 18:30, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

compadré

Haha! :) Gwen Gale 10:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:SCOWNB Participants merger with WP:SCO

As I hope you may have seen I am attempting to tidy up WP:SCOWNB by removing old notices and the duplication that has emerged since the creation of WP:SCO. One of the latter issues is that there are lists of active Wikipedians on both locations which overlap to a significant degree. As WP:SCOWNB is ideally a place for announcements I am in process of merging the lists at WP:SCO and intend to remove the one at WP:SCOWNB when this is complete. However there are a fair number of Users not on both lists. If you do not wish to have you current WP:SCOWNB entry re-appear at WP:SCO please either let me know or edit the latter as appropriate. Thanks for your patience, and continuing support of matters relating to WikiProject Scotland. Ben MacDui (Talk) 17:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Sounds ok, happy to continue to be listed and gather this will happen without me doing anything, I hope! ... dave souza, talk 15:16, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Canaen

Hello Dave, hope you're doing ok. I was aimlessly browsing wikispace, and I ran across Misplaced Pages:Admin coaching/Requests. I had a peek at the list to see if there were any names I recognised, and there was User:Canaen expressing a vague interest. Well, admin coaching is backlogged from here to the 12th of Never, so I wondered if you'd be interested in giving him a rundown on the glamorous, jet-setting life of an administrator. I sure do hope so because I told him to ask you! All the best, Angus McLellan (Talk) 01:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow, thanks! Makes me feel a bit of a fraud, not in the Essjay credentials manner as my bio is accurate (I think), but because I got through RfA in gentler less trying times, and was advised to act as a sort of back-up rather than going daft with janitorial duties. I've a couple of projects struggling along so can't put a huge amount of time in, but am willing to try to get to grips with the coaching course at the same time as Canaen learns, if that suits. ..dave souza, talk 15:39, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Essjay controversy edits

Thanks Dave souza for pulling that section on academic criticism together. That was very well written, and gives some important balance to the article. Risker 15:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

It's been severely pruned already, but hopefully the main points have survived! .. Ta, .. dave souza, talk 15:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Lily Map

Dave, I think you put the ref to the Lily map on the BI page. Please have a look at my comments on the talk page there. I believe the reference is incorrect and the map title refers to the island of Britain and not to anything like "British Isles". Hughsheehy 15:56, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, the map showed up in the list provided when I followed the link given for Mercator, that's me showing my ignorance of Latin! It would be good if you could have a look at the Münster map in translation as well: he seems to be citing Ptolemy as a source, but not using the same terminology in his title. By the way, the claim that Mercator had Dee as a source seems very dubious .. dave souza, talk 17:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Prydyn

The Welsh call the Picts "Britons", but curiously they use an archaic form of the word; this is more curious because the Irish call them Cruithne, likewise an archaic form of the word "Britons". Both languages replace their words for Britain by the Dark Ages. I've heard it suggested that they got this distinction because they were the "Free Britons", and that the Welsh to the south ceased to think of themselves really as Britons, but as Romans or Romano-Britons. What's even funnier is that when one Welshman translated the Vita Griffini Fillii Conani ("Life of Gruffudd ap Cynan") into Welsh, he translated Scotia as "Prydein", possibly meaning Prydyn (Pictland). This is interesting because it was the 12TH CENTURY! I don't have many of my early medieval books with me, but Angus would likely have all the references you need if you want to talk about the Priteni in the Picts article ... though it seems to be covered in that article's second paragraph. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 22:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The Romans tended to switch Ps to Bs, which is how Pritannia became Britannia. You are right about the old British identity; that's what the men of the North are, the Old British, as Tacitus called them, "the last men on earth, the last of the free". Ironically, the Picts we know, those of the Pictish Kingdom (as the predecessors of the "Scots") are probably more descended from the Verturiones than the Caledones; and there is some evidences that the Caledones (south of the Mounth) were actually more British than "Pictish", whatever that means of course. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 22:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

George Vithoulkas

The critique article you've used as reference is by someone who does not believe in Homeopathy, nevermind the general 'neutral' tone and titles. The author, Anthony Campbell, in his book concludes that Homeopathy is not proven and suggests the effects are due to placebo Book summary. This critique is against Classical Homeopathy, not Vithoulkas himself, who is simply expressing Hahnemann's Homeopathic point of view for health and disease, nowdays accepted by most Homeopaths (the critique is dated 1978). Besides there was a newer edition of Vithoulkas' Science of Homeopathy printed on 1980, with very possitive comments by the Homeopathic community Amazon.com. At the time of print of the very first edition of Science of Homeopathy, at the Royal Hospital, only Homeopathic Polypharmacy (combinations of homeopathic remedies) were being used, and that only for minor health issues. Campbell and the establishment felt threatened, and hence this negative critique. Science of Homeopathy is a standard book used in almost all homeopathic schools around the world - the fact that it has been translated in 20 languages is a proof of its acceptance. And please do something about Adam Cuerden, he is clearly biased, dismissing all information about Vithoulkas as POV (please compare the edited versions) Homeopathic 16:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

The critique article was added as a reference by the original author of the piece, and is hosted by a specialist homeopathic bookshop. It clearly gives an alternative viewpoint of the work of Vithoulkas, and as WP:NPOV requires, viewpoints should be shown: the credentials and position of the author indicate that he is well informed on the subject and his views are noteworthy. The idea of rejecting a viewpoint because it's from "someone who does not believe in Homeopathy" suggests that you see homeopathy as a faith rather than as medical science: in the field, it has to be considered in terms of science, which makes the requirements of WP:A important and as far as I can see they've not fully been met. Misplaced Pages Is Not here to provide an uncritical sales pitch, and unfortunately there's been a tendency to take wording from pieces promoting Vithoulkas and his school without stripping out the hyperbole or looking for independent sources giving a critical appraisal. From looking at the progress of the article, Adam has helped significantly with improving the neutrality of the phrasing. However the sourcing of this article still seems to be a problem. dave souza, talk 00:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Surely there have been negative reviews about the book, but for starters, those are one in a million. As far as i am concerned, i'm an MD and Homeopath, so it's not a matter of belief like you described it, for the past 15 years i've been using homeopathic remedies with excellent results (hence the support). What I was pointing out is that if there's to be used a critique about Vithoulkas work, it should be by someone familiar with the subject (Classical Homeopathy). What i've been describing about Campbell are facts, and although he'd been working at the Royal Hospital, he wrote a book about Homeopathy concluding to that Homeopathy is placebo and not proven (ie nevermind his credentials)! He would take it against anyone supporting Classical Homeopathy. Nevertheless, Campbell's old critique does not reflect the current views of the Homeopathic community regarding Health and Disease. I understand that you try to be as neutral as possible, but since you're not informed on the subject, you can not appreciate correctly the value of references. My opinion is that it should be handled by a WP editor familiar with the subject of Homeopathy. Homeopathic 03:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

And it's not about excluding the reference. Whereas all positive comments about Vithoulkas have been regarded as POV, the negative comments from the specific reference have been included "as is", misleading the readers about the current status and recognition of both Homeopathy and Vithoulkas.Homeopathic 07:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

While it's appreciated that you're keen to promote these techniques, for this to stand as an encyclopaedic article rather than looking like a cut and past of a sales pitch it has to be done in an objective way, showing that criticism exits, and if anything the addition of a summary of the critical review which was already linked in the references increases the credibility of this page rather than damaging it. More objective citations from third parties outside the homeopathic community would be welcome, but the links I've looked at seem to be very much part of what looks rather like a cult. In the meantime, the article really needs links to subjects such as Homeopathy. By the way, there's a bit of discussion going on about credentials at the moment, see WP:IAC and this proposal. .. dave souza, talk 11:28, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I've added 3 more reviews from the same bookshop and journal you used 1 2 3, concerning three of his other books, and changed the text to reflect their positive view. These are not the only ones from respectable sources. I believe it's only fair to include these, and ofcourse to add the date of the critical review you've added (1978) too, because like i explained, it does not reflect the current views of the Homeopathic community, and it is misleading. I could not edit it myself, i suppose you've somehow protected it.

Moreover, i've uploaded again his photo (previously deleted by Redvers, and now again by Adam Cuerden).It is allowed to use it according to their copyright policy, as can be seen here and here).Homeopathic 06:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Adam Cuerden still continues to be biased and categorizing references,external links,reviews and modifying the main text as he pleases. Homeopathic 12:57, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I am sending you the reference about the awarding of George Vithoulkas with the Gold Medal of Hungarian Democracy (that was doubted by Cuerden) (Please do something with this prejudiced man) http://www.euuzlet.hu/archivum/arch515.html Althea Khun

Thanks, but as I don't read Hungarian it's of little help. The significance of such awards is difficult to assess, and we need an independent third party opinion to be able to report how much importance can be placed on such awards. By the way, please sign your posts, and I'd recommend getting a user account. ... dave souza, talk 00:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages seems that were caught in the internal fights of homeopaths. Vithoulkas is well known for fighting against irresponsibility within the homeopathic profession. See his video clips in google. Some people were hurt naturally. By changing his CV it seems that you have sided with the wrong guys. Another negative point for wikipedia? Be aware. An objective Homeopath