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	::Thank you for your response ... I just now managed to find the MOS discussion, and I'm sorta relieved to know that it's basically an unresolved issue. I'm more than happy to just let it go. ] (]) 09:26, 13 June 2023 (UTC)		::Thank you for your response ... I just now managed to find the MOS discussion, and I'm sorta relieved to know that it's basically an unresolved issue. I'm more than happy to just let it go. ] (]) 09:26, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

	== Definition of 'black' == ~~watermelon, fried chicken, koolaid,~~		== Definition of 'black' ==

	As far as I'm aware, most of the Indigenous people of Oceania are not considered 'black' and even aboriginals are generally considered to be genetically and socially distinct. Shouldn't the article reflect this rather than sticking them under one term? ] (]) 16:52, 19 June 2023 (UTC)		As far as I'm aware, most of the Indigenous people of Oceania are not considered 'black' and even aboriginals are generally considered to be genetically and socially distinct. Shouldn't the article reflect this rather than sticking them under one term? ] (]) 16:52, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
	:It's one term, but it has many different meanings and many different connotations, depending on who uses it, when they use it, and in what connotation. It certainly is used in Australia (sometimes currently spelt ''blak''), more often by Aboriginal people to describe themselves or their fellows. It is often deliberately politically loaded today. The issue with Melanesia is well described in the article. That name literally means ''Island of black people'', which is hard to ignore. But you're correct in saying that the term is rarely used today to describe people from there. I think the article does a reasonable good job with an inherently fraught term. Individual sections can always be improved though. ] (]) 00:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC) ~~I a~~		:It's one term, but it has many different meanings and many different connotations, depending on who uses it, when they use it, and in what connotation. It certainly is used in Australia (sometimes currently spelt ''blak''), more often by Aboriginal people to describe themselves or their fellows. It is often deliberately politically loaded today. The issue with Melanesia is well described in the article. That name literally means ''Island of black people'', which is hard to ignore. But you're correct in saying that the term is rarely used today to describe people from there. I think the article does a reasonable good job with an inherently fraught term. Individual sections can always be improved though. ] (]) 00:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

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To-do list for Black people: edit · history · watch · refresh · Updated 2020-09-23

Find and add citations to reliable sources.
Remove unverifiable material and original research.
Show a multi dimensional view of Black people across the world, not merely an American perspective.
Remove "undue weight" per WP:CSB and WP:NPOV.
Give more information on the diversity of peoples within African, e.g. Khoisan, Bantu, Pygmy, etc.
Remove the comment about underestimation of strength of Black men - out of context and contributes to racist stereotypes

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Black or black?

I'm almost afraid to ask, but I need to know before I do any editing: Should it be Black or black? It's both ways throughout the article. (The African Americans article uses Black throughout.) I probably needn't add that both Black and black are used interchangeably throughout many other articles. I'm thinking a whole lot of editing might need to be done throughout Misplaced Pages.

Shouldn't we be consistent? Or does it really even matter? Is there a stated WP policy on this? Is there a better place on WP to bring this up? Apologies for my ignorance, but I'm a newbie. :)

In an effort to be a real troublemaker, I've also asked about White vs. white in the White people article. Yesthatbruce (talk) 08:37, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

The relevant guideline is MOS:RACECAPS, but that's not really clear. Anyway, you don't have to apologize for your "ignorance". Rsk6400 (talk) 09:45, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your response ... I just now managed to find the MOS discussion, and I'm sorta relieved to know that it's basically an unresolved issue. I'm more than happy to just let it go. Yesthatbruce (talk) 09:26, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Definition of 'black'

As far as I'm aware, most of the Indigenous people of Oceania are not considered 'black' and even aboriginals are generally considered to be genetically and socially distinct. Shouldn't the article reflect this rather than sticking them under one term? Schwarbage (talk) 16:52, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

It's one term, but it has many different meanings and many different connotations, depending on who uses it, when they use it, and in what connotation. It certainly is used in Australia (sometimes currently spelt blak), more often by Aboriginal people to describe themselves or their fellows. It is often deliberately politically loaded today. The issue with Melanesia is well described in the article. That name literally means Island of black people, which is hard to ignore. But you're correct in saying that the term is rarely used today to describe people from there. I think the article does a reasonable good job with an inherently fraught term. Individual sections can always be improved though. HiLo48 (talk) 00:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Nazi Germany

@White American 2023 and Fajita Biscuit: You added information about Black people in Germany, which I removed for the following reasons: The history of anti-Black racism in Germany is not limited to Nazi period; Black people have a longer and richer history in Germany than just being victims of the Nazis or other racist people; Jews and Roma were persecuted on a different level, i.e. they were systematically murdered. Some Black people were murdered by the Nazis, some were sterilized, some (like Hans Massaquoi) were able to live a kind of "normal" life. Not everything that is sourced should be included here, see WP:ONUS. Rsk6400 (talk) 09:41, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

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