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	*:The current titles are not unambiguous as they are not in line with what readers would expect a "Name, Country" title to be. Also, you seem to be arguing that disambiguation should not provide information? That doesn't make sense; someone looking for "Punjab, the Indian state" is more likely to clearly understand that "Punjab (Indian state)" is what they're looking for compared to "Punjab, India". Disambiguating by what the thing is makes perfect sense. ] (] \| ]) 22:39, 8 October 2023 (UTC)		*:The current titles are not unambiguous as they are not in line with what readers would expect a "Name, Country" title to be. Also, you seem to be arguing that disambiguation should not provide information? That doesn't make sense; someone looking for "Punjab, the Indian state" is more likely to clearly understand that "Punjab (Indian state)" is what they're looking for compared to "Punjab, India". Disambiguating by what the thing is makes perfect sense. ] (] \| ]) 22:39, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' per ] "The goal of concision is to balance brevity with sufficient information to identify the topic to a person familiar with the general subject area." The existing titles all achieve this, whereas the proposed titles merely add unnecessary complexity to simple, readily understandable, links. - ] (]) 22:01, 8 October 2023 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''' per ] "The goal of concision is to balance brevity with sufficient information to identify the topic to a person familiar with the general subject area." The existing titles all achieve this, whereas the proposed titles merely add unnecessary complexity to simple, readily understandable, links. - ] (]) 22:01, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' per above arguments. - ] (]) 10:31, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

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Moved, 15 May 2010, from Punjab (India) to Punjab (Indian state), see discussion.
Moved to Punjab, India, 17 July 2010, from Punjab (Indian state) to Punjab (India), see discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2021

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The final line of the introduction has incorrect grammar. "Punjab has a bustling tourism, music, culinary, and film industries." This should be changed to this: "Punjab has bustling tourism, music, culinary, and film industries." The word "industries" is plural so using the indefinite article "a" is incorrect. 80.6.233.101 (talk) 01:10, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Done 54nd60x (talk) 11:20, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2021

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A new district has been added in punjab so total number of districts are 23 now Vikasid (talk) 15:48, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ― Qwerfjkl (please use {{reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply) 16:07, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2021

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Updated the GSDP FIGURES in the infobox and in the lead section. GSDP ₹5.41 LAKH CRORE AND per capita ₹155,157 (2020-21). Also update the source. Thanks--202.78.236.168 (talk) 05:50, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

References

"MOSPI State Domestic Product, Ministry of Statistics and Programme Implementation, Government of India". 15 March 2021. Retrieved 28 March 2021.

Why is it taking so time to make such small changes in the GDP figures. Already source have been provided. Thanks--103.102.116.116 (talk) 05:34, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

I've updated the figures using your source. Please check if anything needs changing. As for your question, I do not know the answer. Open requests enter a centralised queue, and they normally get actioned within hours. It's bizarre that yours remained unanswered for three weeks. If this happens again, you can just file a new request, and if that gets ignored, bring it up at WT:INDIA. – Uanfala (talk) 20:49, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Uanfala: You forgot to update the GDP figures in the lead section of the third para. Per capita needs updated. Thanks--103.102.116.116 (talk) 05:12, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Ooops. That should fix it . – Uanfala (talk) 13:25, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2021

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Punjab State Of India has now 23 Districts in Total with the carving out of Malerkotla as a New District from Sangrur District Gpsingh37c (talk) 10:30, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:47, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

23rd District Malerkotla

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2401:4900:4205:599F:D203:ABAC:AD88:6F3F (talk) 13:24, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:37, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

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112.196.105.202 (talk) 11:26, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Punjab goverment made one new district Malerkotla. kindly add. now punjab have 23 districts. it made on 14 May 2021.

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:47, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

New District

Malerkotla is established as a new district of punjab which makes it 23rd. Vikram Jeet Johal (talk) 07:43, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request in 29 August 2021

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Districts are 23 now 106.196.105.183 (talk) 11:48, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:45, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

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change 9 °C (48 °F) in July to 31 °C (87 °F) in July 203.115.84.13 (talk) 09:52, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Elli (talk | contribs) 16:35, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

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change Punjab to Panjab 2A00:23C7:7F05:4700:808C:C830:136A:4DE4 (talk) 09:16, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:20, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2022

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hi the demographic information is very old on this page. 2605:8D80:32C:9E72:59D:CDA:9D36:83C5 (talk) 07:41, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Ferien (talk) 08:31, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

On the name of state.

It's not Punjab dear it's PANJAB. 2409:4053:2E16:EEC:517F:5378:D769:1605 (talk) 16:59, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

'PUNJAB seems to be the WP:COMMONNAME. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:03, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Additional official languages of Punjab

There is no additional official language in Punjab, the Government of Punjab never declared any additional official language and the Punjab Official Languages Act 1967 also did not declare English and Hindi as additional official languages of the State of Punjab. Shubhdeep Sandhu (talk) 08:25, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

References

"The Punjab Official Languages Act, 1967". bareactslive.com. Retrieved 21 December 2022.
"52nd report of the Commissioner for Linguistic Minorities in India (July 2014 to June 2015)" (PDF). web.archive.org. 2017-05-25. Retrieved 2022-12-31.
"Government of Punjab, India". Retrieved 2022-12-31.

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Template: Infobox Indian state or territory has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Tojoroy20 (talk) 21:30, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Infobox replacement

The {{Infobox settlement}} used on this page is going to be replaced with {{Infobox Indian state or territory}} as per the Proposal and Consensus of RFC. Any questions/suggestions? Discuss Here.

You can also contribute by replacing Infobox settlement with Infobox Indian state or territory on other pages , or by improving this one. Tojoroy20 (talk) 18:53, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Done – Tojoroy20 (talk) 21:32, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

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Requested move 2 October 2023

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– The last time any discussion was held on the title of any of these pages was in 2010, but our practice of disambiguating first-level administrative subdivisions has changed from then to use the parenthetical in many cases (for example, this is how subdivisions in the United States and Australia are disambiguated). Using a parenthetical makes more sense, as comma disambiguation is usually used for settlements or more local subdivisions. These on the other hand are usually considered geographical features, so parenthetical disambiguation is appropriate. While these titles are slightly longer, they make it far more clear to readers that the articles are referring to administrative subdivisions rather than settlements/cities.

I am bundling these together as it does not make sense for the disambiguation style of Punjab in India and Pakistan to be different, and it would not make sense for Pakistan's subdivisions to have differing disambiguation styles either. Elli (talk | contribs) 17:52, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Oppose per WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:41, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
I don't see how that applies here? Using commas isn't particularly natural by that definition -- it's not an alternative name these regions happen to be called. The general trend for this sort of articles is to use parentheses. Elli (talk | contribs) 21:02, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Weak support - As far as I know (which isn't all that far sometimes) "Place, Country/Region/etc" generally refers to a city or locality, not a state or province. For Balochistan I would rather it be Balochistan (province) as that is unambiguous. Even better, the Indian Punjab could also be Punjab (state) and the Pakistani Punjab Punjab (province) (the latter is already a redirect), though I could see how those could be argued as confusing due to the state/province differentiation. estar8806 (talk) ★ 22:48, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

I'd be fine with using that disambiguation as well for all of these. Elli (talk | contribs) 23:03, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Leaning support per noms. Aslo, I completely agree with @Estar8806 – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ 🗿 16:06, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
Oppose per WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION and WP:CONCISE, "Punjab, India" and "Punjab, Pakistan" provide all the context that a reader needs, "(Indian state)" and "(Pakistani province)" seem like over-disambigation to me. The proposed change also assumes that the reader is coming to the page with the prior knowledge of India being divided in states and of Punjab being an Indian state. The article begins with Punjab is a state in northern India, because a reader who knows nothing about Indian Punjab has to be first provided with information of what Punjab is--a state in northern India. That is the job of the article body, not the title. A change from "Punjab, India" to "Punjab (Indian state)" makes the very introductory sentence of the article obsolete. The current titles are concise, precise and unambiguous, thus no need to move. UnpetitproleX (talk) 21:43, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
The current titles are not unambiguous as they are not in line with what readers would expect a "Name, Country" title to be. Also, you seem to be arguing that disambiguation should not provide information? That doesn't make sense; someone looking for "Punjab, the Indian state" is more likely to clearly understand that "Punjab (Indian state)" is what they're looking for compared to "Punjab, India". Disambiguating by what the thing is makes perfect sense. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:39, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Oppose per WP:CONCISE "The goal of concision is to balance brevity with sufficient information to identify the topic to a person familiar with the general subject area." The existing titles all achieve this, whereas the proposed titles merely add unnecessary complexity to simple, readily understandable, links. - Arjayay (talk) 22:01, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Oppose per above arguments. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:31, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

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