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Relationship to Miles Copeland ?

A question, does anyone know if Kenneth Copeland is related to Miles Copeland ? 208.65.192.1 (talk) 21:40, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

I presume you mean Stewart Copeland's father? (Your link goes to a dab page that includes Stewart's father and brother). From the brief bio in the article that appears highly unlikely, and frankly it's a rather common last name. Daniel Case (talk) 09:56, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Measles

http://news.yahoo.com/measles-cases-put-texas-megachurch-under-scrutiny-165150724.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.130.168.139 (talk) 23:09, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Conservative Political Party??? Really???

He belongs to the Conservative Political Party??? Do we even have a national Conservative political party as does the UK or Canada??? That's just WRONG from a FACTUAL standpoint. Copeland may be a Republican. But except for the Mike Huckabee fiasco that blew up in his face, I have read or seen nothing that Copeland has done or said that reveals his political party affiliation. Does Kenneth Copeland really need another outright UNTRUTH spread about him, and by Misplaced Pages, where people come to for FACTUAL information and answers. It really needs to be taken out.User:JCHeverly 19:13, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Never heard of a national Conservative party in the U.S. (vs. the New York one). Figured Copeland's political leanings are on the conservative end, though until David Barton started to become a semi-regular on the Believer's Voice of Victory around 10 years ago (or such) I don't think he really said anything overtly about his politics. WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 17:27, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
  • I don't know if the preceding commenter was the one who identified Copeland as a member of the "Conservative" party, but "figuring" is not good enough. People want FACTUAL INNFORMATION when doing research on Misplaced Pages. Unless someone can produce a credible source for identifying Copeland as a member of the "Conservative" party, it needs to go, because it is not factual.User:JCHeverly 18:03, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
I agree completely on that. Thanks. WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 18:06, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Multiple assumed or doing business as.

Is there anything illegal about KCM having 21 ‘assumed names’ registered with the State of Texas??? Apparently it must be legal. Also, what Texas commission/s, department/s, bureau/s, agency/s is/are Copeland registered with???User:JCHeverly 14:45, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Nothing illegal.

While Kenneth and Gloria Copeland are theologically controversial, they do NOT teach or preach anything that isn't found in the _The Holy Bible_. They also comply with all Internal Revenue Service laws for 501.3(c) corporations. They have NEVER been accused of or charged with doing anything illegal.User:JCHeverly 16:05, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Nothing says "kosher" like a rando shouting "NOTHING ILLEGAL HERE" out of the blue. 2A02:A459:352E:1:2484:5BA2:66FD:D1EC (talk) 17:11, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Kobus Van Rensburg

Can anyone please tell me how this man has any connection to Kenneth Copeland, or KCM??? None. But, if you're looking for ministries with connections to famous people, have you heard of Reverend Wright. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.185.56.93 (talk • contribs)

Dear user at IP 99.185.56.93: I ran a search and I see no mention of anyone named "Kobus Van Rensburg" in the article (either before or after the most recent edits) or in this talk page. So, I fail to see the purpose of asking how this man has a "connection" to Kenneth Copeland. Who is "Kobus Van Rensburg," and what's the point? Famspear (talk) 16:49, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
OK, I checked and I see that there is a Misplaced Pages article on Kobus Van Rensburg. Again, I see no prior reference to this individual in the Kenneth Copeland article or in this talk page. Famspear (talk) 17:08, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Converts to Judaism

I don't believe that either Kenneth or Gloria Copeland were converts to Judaism, or identify as Jewish-American, as implied in the categories at the bottom of the page. I also couldn't find anything in the article that indicated any Jewish identity for these two. Are there any sources that either of the Croplands are Jewish? AnandaBliss (talk) 15:26, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Property assets

The article cites a USA Today article that says Copeland has 33 acres. According to the Tarrant Appraisal District website, that address has 12 landed properties which amount to hundreds of acres, along with other types of property that are valued at over $20 million. Coinmanj (talk) 22:56, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

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WinTF is Ivy Binford?

Please source Ivy Binford w/ a reputable source. Is she an ex-wife of Copeland's? Someone that gave up Terrie for adoption? As far as I know, the Copeland's have always referred to Terrie as "our daughter." You got 24 hours to come up with and ID from a reputable source, or I boldly edit.

Republican Party.

Why is this even relevant??? Please reference a Fort Worth/Tarrant County voter registration role in 24 hours, or I boldly edit. That is all.--User:JCHeverly 02:50, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

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The article lacks balance

There is a lot in the article about airplanes and facilities of the ministry and very little mention of what Copeland has done in the fifty years since being in college. The second half of the article could be trimmed without hurting the overall piecePrincetoniac (talk) 20:14, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

I agree. Ashmoo (talk) 14:52, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Written by a PR firm?

This whole article reeks of manipulation from a public relations team paid to improve Kenneth Copeland's image. Can someone review and revise it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.129.51.69 (talk) 21:39, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Private jet controversies belong in the lede

A substantial part of the article is devoted to this issue. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 22:33, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Useful Senate Finance Committee Documents

A few documents from the Senate Finance Committee's 2007-2009 investigation of Copeland's company (as well as several other media ministry companies): https://www.finance.senate.gov/ranking-members-news/grassley-releases-review-of-tax-issues-raised-by-media-based-ministries

Minority staff review of EMCI/KCM (includes several photographs of Copeland's properties and jets, as well as salaries of employees): https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/EMIC%20Copeland%2001-5-11.pdf

24.7.129.239 (talk) 19:26, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Bias

Whoever keeps vandalizing this page is very biased. United States citizen (talk) 14:05, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Indeed yes. You should stop. -Roxy the grumpy dog . wooF 14:14, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Page protection requested. -Roxy the grumpy dog . wooF 14:41, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Covid 19

So when Copeland did have these large events was he eventually reprimanded at all by local authorities or not? I understand that there are some cities now who have required masks in stores, etc. as city ordinances and if they refuse they can get fined. Any feed back on that? Is that really true? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:77F0:FA20:E041:1924:19E8:A1F2 (talk) 18:51, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Focus of article

The article seems to have some glaring omissions. It seems like there is almost no mention of his history from 1967-2006. It would be great if we had some info on how he developed his empire and wealth. All of the focus seems to be on various controversies he has been involved in in recent years. See WP:RECENT. I think this should be rectified. In a similar vein, WP preference is to not have controversy/criticism sections, but fold controversies in the general biography of the subject. I think we should do that here. Ashmoo (talk) 14:51, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Over a year later and the article is still terrible. I'm going to start reordering and chopped trivia that only appears because it is easy to find on the internet. Ashmoo (talk) 11:59, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
The article is a mess. People edit it based on their personal interests. Editing to prove a point always ends to a messy article.HandsomeBoy (talk) 21:32, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Saw your comment above and regretted it had been a year, glad to see you chopped some up. I don't like the guy, but I agree the "Controversies" section right now is more useless than a "Quotes" section...I mean so he said he doesn't fly commercial because airline passengers might be demons? Well he literally believes in angels and demons, we can't report every funny little thing he says. Gonna go chop a bit more off that section, hope to see somebody add more positive balance above. The "private jets" is a frequent longstanding criticism, so I understand it remaining in the article, but having one-off comments he's made is silliness. Virginia Courtsesan (talk) 04:18, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

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Wealthiest pastor in America

In case we need another ref: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/unfair-burden/article/kenneth-copeland-wealth-pastor-tax-free-mansion-16662283.php --Hipal (talk) 23:25, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Edits over the past two years

I'm concerned about rewrites that have happened over the past few years. Compare to . Most Misplaced Pages tools that I use are not currently working, so I'm having difficulty determining the extent of the problems. There's definitely some slow edit-warring going on.

Flying Private

The section that talks about his 2019 interview regarding his flying private jets is not adequately represented by "If I flew commercial, I'd have to stop 65% of what I'm doing" and he additionally defended a previous comment where he said that he did not fly commercial because he did not want to fly with demons. He went on an unhinged rant, he said some offensive things about Jews, referred to the interviewer as "baby" the entire time, said, said he got unsolicited requests for prayers when he didn't fly private (and it “agitated his spirit.”), etc. The article it links to does not reflect the text that cites it as the the presentation as it currently stands it almost positive while the article is very negative. --108.41.157.75 (talk) 00:19, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

The information is only WP:DUE for a mention at all inasmuch as it is discussed in reliable secondary sources. If you have such a source to discuss, please post it up. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:52, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

I want to move Covid opinion from article lede to subsection

During Covid people said so many things that shows skepticism about it. For an article that isn't so voluminous, I feel the covid statement in the lede is giving undue weight to aspect of his personality over others. This also highly impacts the neutrality of this article. However, I'd love to know what anyone thinks before making the bold move. HandsomeBoy (talk) 16:00, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

My concern is not so much that this is undue in the lead, but more that this lead says very little, which therefore gives too much weight to the Covid statements. There is no doubt that Copeland's Covid pronouncements were notorious and widely reported. I think the mention belongs in a fuller lead. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 16:14, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
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