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Though, it is fair to be noted, maybe not as justification but atleast to understand the situation, America's actions for money and power (economic and political) has influenced indirectly and directly the death of millions of Muslims in Muslim-majority countries. Such a view can be historically evidenced and defended. The idea is that, though there may be some aggressive people and groups, they represent a miniscule percentage of the Muslim societies, they are clear anomalies. People are 'just living their lives', and then when America decides to apply force, they don't value Muslim lives as much as they would others, whether consciously or unconsciously. Due to these, movements like ‘The war on terror’ and their people, are seen in some ways as the terrorists themselves by causing, literally, terror. 2.27.123.242 (talk) 00:34, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Not done. Your source is not about anti-Americanism, and so it doesn't belong here. NightHeron (talk) 00:43, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

References

1. Smith, William (25 September 2020). "The truth about the war on terror". The Hill. Retrieved 27 February 2022.

Pakistan hate US

75% Population of Pakistan hate US,because US destroy Pakistan economy in 20 years of war Pakistanis hate US more than Russia,China,North Korea. 203.101.165.202 (talk) 14:36, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

source? Slatersteven (talk) 14:46, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Communist critiques

This part of the article seems heavily dominated by East Germany, and leaves out modern Socialist and Communist criticism (areas that could be addressed include:

1. American treatment of Native Americans: In East Germany for example, there was a very big pro-Native movement, Communists as early as even the 1920s were critising the USA on these grounds. The primary example being Mirsaid Sultan-Galiev. And of course, modern Communists and Socialists who criticse the US on these grounds too.

2. American treatment of African Americans. Many Soviet posters were made condemming the USA for how it discriminated against the African American population.

3. American imperialism: The USA was viewed as an imperialist power in the wake of the Korean War, Vietnam, Cuba, and pretty much any and all acts of American involvement in regime change during the Cold War period that were known about.

As for East Germany, I'm not entirely sure why this part of the page gives such a focus to them, all things considered. Perhaps parts of it could be trimmed down? Genabab (talk) 13:25, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree. Also, there are many problems with the section's treatment of East Germany. Several of the claims are unsupported by sources; there are 4 citation needed templates, of which 2 are from four years ago and 2 are from 1 1/2 years ago. The parts that are sourced rely too much on one book (Schnorr's The Good and the Bad America). I can't check that source, since it's behind a paywall. It's not clear whether the direct quote "terrorist international of murderers on Wall Street" is Schnorr's paraphrase or words of East Germans quoted by Schnorr. In either case it seems chosen out of context (and possibly mistranslated) in order to make East Germany look ridiculous. The main problem I see with the section is failure to adhere to WP:V and WP:NPOV.

If you have better sources for criticism of the US by socialist bloc countries, please feel free to extensively edit the section. NightHeron (talk) 14:42, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

<nowiki>I don't think those are examples of anti-Americanism. Lots of patriotic Americans for example opposed racial discrimination. I agree though that the East German section is too long. Note the quote, "Marx...did not participate in the anti-Americanism that came to be the hallmark of Communist ideology in the twentieth century." It would be helpful to explain how Communist anti-Americanism departed from Marxist analysis. TFD (talk) 17:57, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

We have to be careful about adding material to this section (or the article in general) that describes opposition to the US government but does not necessarily meet the definition of anti-Americanism given at the beginning of the article: "prejudice, fear or hatred of the United States, its government, its foreign policy, or Americans in general". I think the best approach would be to add material only if there's a reliable secondary source that uses the term anti-Americanism to describe the viewpoint.

I doubt that most scholars would use the term "anti-American" to refer to the viewpoint among some Native Americans that they should form a separate country, any more than they would use "anti-American" to refer to the Southern successionists in the Civil War.

Also, we should keep in mind the criticism of the over-use of the term. The section on "Interpretations" mentions, for example, the writings of Max Paul Friedman, who documents cases where the charge of "anti-Americanism" was used to deflect legitimate criticism and advice (such as French advice to President Kennedy not to send troops to Vietnam).

As far as communist anti-Americanism is concerned, there might be statements from the Soviet Union and/or China during the height of the Cold War that reliable sources would call "anti-American". Also, some communist groups in Latin America used rhetoric that sources might have termed "anti-American" (such as Sendero Luminoso in Peru, or in Cuba, where at one point a favorite slogan was Cuba si, Yankee no!). NightHeron (talk) 11:46, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Deleted last 2 paragraphs of section

Reasons: (1) poorly sourced (as far as I can see, the sources don't specifically support the use of the term "anti-American", and so use of the term is WP:OR); (2) the "back to Africa" and other such movements do not seem to fall under the definition of the term in the lead ("heavily critical of America", the wording used in the deleted text, is not the same as anti-Americanism); (3) most of the people in those movements were not communists (socialist views are not the same as communism); (4) the Confederate States are not discussed in the article as an example of anti-Americanism, so there's a lack of balance in describing secessionist sentiments among minority groups as being anti-American. NightHeron (talk) 10:30, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Removed poorly sourced sentence about Russia

I removed a sentence and the two sources, references 91 and 92, that were given. 92 is a dead link, and 91 is over 10 years old, so does not contain the "latest polls". It is obviously way out-of-date if you look at the Google translate, since it includes Belorussia and China among Russia's main enemies. Currently Belorussia is supporting Putin's war against Ukraine, and China is also more an ally than an enemy. NightHeron (talk) NightHeron (talk) 20:36, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

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Change the misspelled word "Paraguyan" to "Paraguayan", only. Wuwei Emerald (talk) 17:10, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. NightHeron (talk) 18:00, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Move: Anti-Americanism → Anti-American sentiment

The country-specific articles use "sentiment" rather than "-ism", e.g. Anti-American sentiment in Germany, etc. ―Emperor ÖSMAN IXXVMD (talk) 08:52, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose The term is used much more broadly than conveyed by "sentiment". For example, according to the lead sentence, sentiments and positions including opposition to its foreign policy. NightHeron (talk) 09:27, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Mild Oppose I say "mild" in that the suggestion isn't egregiously wrong, and if there were consensus for it that would seem fine to me. However, per NightHeron, the term "Anti-Americanism" is generally broader in usage and this seems to be reasonably well explained in the lead. Also noting that "Anti-American sentiment" is already a redirect to this article, so anyone looking for sentiments is going to find it. CAVincent (talk) 10:24, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Comment: It literally says Anti-Americanism (also called anti-American sentiment or Americanophobia) is ....

(BTW, sorry for the late response.)

―Emperor ÖSMAN IXXVMD (talk) 10:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

The Southeast Asia part contains a picture of a protest against the Islamophobic film "Innocence of Muslims" in Malaysia. However this is not an example of Anti Americanism. That is more like protesting against the movie than America itself.

The picture is not a good example of Anti Americanism in Southeast Asia.Malaysia is rarely anti American. It's more criticizing the American support of Israel and some incidents that happen during the War on Terror Kaukênteo (talk) 09:38, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

I agree, and I would support removing that photo from the article. There's a more general problem with this article, in that several of the photos are really about protests against specific actions by the US (and one is about German anti-Dutch propaganda in 1944). The assumption that these protests were due to "anti-Americanism" is unsupported by sources and constitutes WP:SYNTH. This article adopts an overly broad definition of the term "anti-Americanism". It's okay to say (with a source) that angry criticism of US actions is often perceived by many Americans as "anti-Americanism". But that's a perception, not a fact. Max Paul Friedman (reference ) has sharply criticized the tendency to label any criticism of the US as anti-Americanism. NightHeron (talk) 11:36, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

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Add Canada to list of countries that despise Americans.

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