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	# Finale 1: "Zum Ziele führt dich diese Bahn {{Audio\|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 09. Zum Ziele führt dich diese Bahn (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg\|}} / Wie stark ist nicht dein Zauberton {{Audio\|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 10. Wie stark ist nicht dein Zauberton (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg\|}} / Das klinget so herrlich {{Audio\|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 11. Schnelle Füße, rascher Mut (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg\|}} / Es lebe Sarastro" {{Audio\|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 12. Es lebe Sarasto, Sarastro soll leben! (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg\|}} {{outdent}}--How does this look? Click the sound file to hear the piece.] (]) 01:59, 11 March 2024 (UTC)		# Finale 1: "Zum Ziele führt dich diese Bahn {{Audio\|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 09. Zum Ziele führt dich diese Bahn (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg\|}} / Wie stark ist nicht dein Zauberton {{Audio\|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 10. Wie stark ist nicht dein Zauberton (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg\|}} / Das klinget so herrlich {{Audio\|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 11. Schnelle Füße, rascher Mut (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg\|}} / Es lebe Sarastro" {{Audio\|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 12. Es lebe Sarasto, Sarastro soll leben! (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg\|}} {{outdent}}--How does this look? Click the sound file to hear the piece.] (]) 01:59, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
	:::(ec) Thanks for showing how this might work using {{t\|Audio}}. After you reminded me above about that template, I, too, thought this would be be the simplest option, and your example shows indeed how simple and non-intrusive it is. However, the disadvantage of {{tnl\|Audio}} is its lack of player controls – it only does "Stop" and "Restart from beginning", no "Continue". The thumbnail presentation only offers "Start", "Pause", "Continue" (no "Restart from the beginning"), but the template {{t\|Listen}} offers "Start", "Pause", "Continue", and a slider to position the playback forward or backward, and it shows the track's duration; it does not allow to change the width of the playback bar. On balance, I think that's what I would like to implement. You can see this method at ]. -- ] (]) 02:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)		:::(ec) Thanks for showing how this might work using {{t\|Audio}}. After you reminded me above about that template, I, too, thought this would be be the simplest option, and your example shows indeed how simple and non-intrusive it is. However, the disadvantage of {{tnl\|Audio}} is its lack of player controls – it only does "Stop" and "Restart from beginning", no "Continue". The thumbnail presentation only offers "Start", "Pause", "Continue" (no "Restart from the beginning"), but the template {{t\|Listen}} offers "Start", "Pause", "Continue", and a slider to position the playback forward or backward, and it shows the track's duration; it does not allow to change the width of the playback bar. On balance, I think that's what I would like to implement. You can see this method at ]. -- ] (]) 02:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
			::::Christmas Oratorio#Part 1 would be a better template, but looks difficult to create. Are you good at making Wikitables? Do you need any help? Meanwhile, I will quickly finish my simpler version an post it on Wikiversity with a call for student essays. The quickest way to contact me is at ], but I will also monitor this page and keep you posted on my progress.--] (]) 02:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

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I added a section that plays the entire opera as 30 ogg files

I added the gallery of 30 ogg files that I found on Wikimedia Commons. You might instead prefer a link out to a review of Bergman's 1977 film that is under construction in Wikiversity at v:Movie Reviews/The Magic Flute. I might add that this collection from Commons has value even though one can always find a rendition of this opera for free on the internet: Unlike YouTube or other online sites, this version is guaranteed to be stable and free of advertisements. Also, my German is Nicht gut, and I was constrained to use short titles. You might want to edit that.--Guy vandegrift (talk) 21:42, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for that gallery. However, it now duplicates 4 numbers from the 1953 Fricsay recording. I don't like those numbers removed from their textual context, so I don't know how to avoid the duplication. Placing all 30 files in the text would leave no room for pictures, unless we sandwich the text. So I guess we have to live with that duplication.

As for the English translations: I strongly suggest to retain the original German incipits – they are universally much better recognized. Further, it would be helpful if we could align the numerals (currently 1–30) of the sound files to the numbering in the score (Overture, 1–21). Maybe the sound files could be joined in a table with the current list "Musical numbers". I will try that within the next few days. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:41, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't edit Misplaced Pages much, but agree that you should use German labels if you can't find reputable translations. Opinions don't count for much on this wiki. Also, consider putting the entire collection on Commons (with linkouts from Misplaced Pages and Wikiversity.) If we put it on Commons, I might be able use the subst: template option to format the wikitext on a wiki without resorting to templates (though I personally prefer the simple gallery.) Another option is to put the collection on Misplaced Pages's Deutsches_Symphonie-Orchester_Berlin.--Guy vandegrift (talk) 03:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@Michael Bednarek: You probably know about this, but I found a more flexible way to display sound files. The template also works on Commons: O Isis und Osiris--Guy vandegrift (talk) 04:43, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

For my latest effort, see User:Guy vandegrift/sandbox/sandbox--Guy vandegrift (talk) 15:21, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Act 1

Introduction: "Zu Hilfe! Zu Hilfe! Sonst bin ich verloren" – Tamino, Three Ladies
Aria: "Der Vogelfänger bin ich ja" (The birdcatcher am I) – Papageno
Aria: "Dies Bildnis ist bezaubernd schön" (This image is enchantingly beautiful) – Tamino
Recitative and aria: "O zittre nicht, mein lieber Sohn" (Oh, tremble not, my beloved son) – The Queen of the Night
Quintet: "Hm Hm Hm" – Tamino, Papageno, Three Ladies
Terzet: "Du feines Täubchen, nur herein!" – Monostatos, Pamina, Papageno
Duet: "Bei Männern, welche Liebe fühlen" (In men, who feel love) – Pamina and Papageno
Finale 1: "Zum Ziele führt dich diese Bahn / Wie stark ist nicht dein Zauberton / Das klinget so herrlich / Es lebe Sarastro" --How does this look? Click the sound file to hear the piece.Guy vandegrift (talk) 01:59, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

(ec) Thanks for showing how this might work using {{Audio}}. After you reminded me above about that template, I, too, thought this would be be the simplest option, and your example shows indeed how simple and non-intrusive it is. However, the disadvantage of {{Audio}} is its lack of player controls – it only does "Stop" and "Restart from beginning", no "Continue". The thumbnail presentation only offers "Start", "Pause", "Continue" (no "Restart from the beginning"), but the template {{Listen}} offers "Start", "Pause", "Continue", and a slider to position the playback forward or backward, and it shows the track's duration; it does not allow to change the width of the playback bar. On balance, I think that's what I would like to implement. You can see this method at Christmas Oratorio#Part I. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Christmas Oratorio#Part 1 would be a better template, but looks difficult to create. Are you good at making Wikitables? Do you need any help? Meanwhile, I will quickly finish my simpler version an post it on Wikiversity with a call for student essays. The quickest way to contact me is at Wikiversity:User talk:Guy vandegrift, but I will also monitor this page and keep you posted on my progress.--Guy vandegrift (talk) 02:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

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	# Finale 1: "Zum Ziele führt dich diese Bahn {{Audio\|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 09. Zum Ziele führt dich diese Bahn (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg\|}} / Wie stark ist nicht dein Zauberton {{Audio\|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 10. Wie stark ist nicht dein Zauberton (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg\|}} / Das klinget so herrlich {{Audio\|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 11. Schnelle Füße, rascher Mut (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg\|}} / Es lebe Sarastro" {{Audio\|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 12. Es lebe Sarasto, Sarastro soll leben! (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg\|}} {{outdent}}--How does this look? Click the sound file to hear the piece.] (]) 01:59, 11 March 2024 (UTC)		# Finale 1: "Zum Ziele führt dich diese Bahn {{Audio\|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 09. Zum Ziele führt dich diese Bahn (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg\|}} / Wie stark ist nicht dein Zauberton {{Audio\|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 10. Wie stark ist nicht dein Zauberton (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg\|}} / Das klinget so herrlich {{Audio\|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 11. Schnelle Füße, rascher Mut (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg\|}} / Es lebe Sarastro" {{Audio\|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 12. Es lebe Sarasto, Sarastro soll leben! (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg\|}} {{outdent}}--How does this look? Click the sound file to hear the piece.] (]) 01:59, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
	:::(ec) Thanks for showing how this might work using {{t\|Audio}}. After you reminded me above about that template, I, too, thought this would be be the simplest option, and your example shows indeed how simple and non-intrusive it is. However, the disadvantage of {{tnl\|Audio}} is its lack of player controls – it only does "Stop" and "Restart from beginning", no "Continue". The thumbnail presentation only offers "Start", "Pause", "Continue" (no "Restart from the beginning"), but the template {{t\|Listen}} offers "Start", "Pause", "Continue", and a slider to position the playback forward or backward, and it shows the track's duration; it does not allow to change the width of the playback bar. On balance, I think that's what I would like to implement. You can see this method at ]. -- ] (]) 02:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)		:::(ec) Thanks for showing how this might work using {{t\|Audio}}. After you reminded me above about that template, I, too, thought this would be be the simplest option, and your example shows indeed how simple and non-intrusive it is. However, the disadvantage of {{tnl\|Audio}} is its lack of player controls – it only does "Stop" and "Restart from beginning", no "Continue". The thumbnail presentation only offers "Start", "Pause", "Continue" (no "Restart from the beginning"), but the template {{t\|Listen}} offers "Start", "Pause", "Continue", and a slider to position the playback forward or backward, and it shows the track's duration; it does not allow to change the width of the playback bar. On balance, I think that's what I would like to implement. You can see this method at ]. -- ] (]) 02:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
			::::Christmas Oratorio#Part 1 would be a better template, but looks difficult to create. Are you good at making Wikitables? Do you need any help? Meanwhile, I will quickly finish my simpler version an post it on Wikiversity with a call for student essays. The quickest way to contact me is at ], but I will also monitor this page and keep you posted on my progress.--] (]) 02:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)