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When to remove the Orphan Template

I have expanded an article to un-orphan another article. Does one connection suffice to remove the orphan warning template at the top, or should more be established? The previously orphaned article in question is SAP Anywhere ElizabethIsAlive (talk) 10:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

You can remove it if there is at least one link. By the way, you should probably add a citation to the addition you made to the other page just so the section and link don't get removed. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 11:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@ElizabethIsAlive - "Once it has an incoming link from at least one article or list, the orphan tag can be removed (disambiguation pages, redirects and draft articles do not count)." Quoted from banner on one the monthly backlog categories. More info at Misplaced Pages:Orphan. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 18:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

But WP:ORPHAN also states: More colloquially, editors also sometimes use "orphan" to refer to pages that do not have as many incoming links as they ought to, even if they do not meet the technical definition for orphan status. The Banner talk 19:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

That's true, but it basically means one link needed, though Mrfoogles (talk) 20:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

176.113.115.186 (talk) 17:58, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I have a hypothetical questions about Freedom Caucus?

What If Freedom Caucus was a hypothetical European political party? would it belong to Identity and Democracy Party or European Conservatives and Reformists? If so, why do you think it would belong to the party. I am willing to hear your opinion and explanation why. 97.97.98.76 (talk) 06:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi! That's not really relevant to Misplaced Pages; we answer questions about Misplaced Pages here. If you have any questions relating to editing or other aspects of the project, that's the purpose of this page. Happy editing ... sawyer * he/they * talk 06:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

To be perfectly clear, speculation by editors is not permitted on Misplaced Pages. The role of Misplaced Pages editors is to summarize what reliable sources say. Nothing more and nothing less. Cullen328 (talk) 06:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, If I was going off topic. I was curious to sees, but I promise to stay on topic and uses Teahouse properly.  97.97.98.76 (talk) 06:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

If I have a hypothetical question, where should I go to? 174.135.36.220 (talk) 03:17, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Wait, why does anonymous numbers change every time? 174.135.36.220 (talk) 03:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

you're editing on an IP, which are reassigned periodically. as for your other question, you're welcome to ask hypothetical questions of that nature elsewhere on the internet, like Reddit, but you should keep things relevant to Misplaced Pages here. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 03:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I understand, but I unfortunately have no reddit account and I want to hear if Freedom Caucus would belong to ID party or ECR party. 174.135.36.220 (talk) 03:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

you're not going to get an answer here ... sawyer * he/they * talk 03:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

You know what? I actually chose CER for Freedom Caucus. 

1. Both support economic freedom and limited government. 
2. Social Conservatism is also common with ECR like Brothers of Italy. 
3. Both support national identity. 
4. ECR and Freedom Caucus have devolution of power. 
5. Freedom Caucus and European Conservatives & Reformists also have right-wing populism like Law & Justice (Poland), JA21 (The Netherlands), Sweden Democrats (Sweden) and Vox (Spain).

So, therefore, it would be more likely to be European Conservatives & Reformist if Freedom Caucus were an European party. 174.135.36.220 (talk) 04:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Again, this isn't the place to ask this type of question. ''']''' (talk|contribs) 04:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Opps, sorry. 174.135.36.220 (talk) 05:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

What is the difference between liberalism and social liberalism as I noticed that some ideology has the same meaning that I removed them, ex. in Swiss People's Party, swiss nationalism, national conservatism and anti-immigration have the same meaning, so I removed these.  I was told that we have to keep Political Parties' articles simple in its template and ideologies. How do I carefully removed something from templates, so it will not get messed up.  174.135.36.220 (talk) 17:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

If you edit too much, can you get blocked for it since I am fixing some political party's article to make it simpler on template as some have same meaning or just too much. When is it too much? 

Thank you from 174.135.36.220 174.135.36.220 (talk) 21:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@174.135.36.220

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse, your question does not reflect Misplaced Pages but there is an article about European Freedom Caucus, I suggest you look there. Thanks! 2600:8804:8A81:FA00:C486:85E4:D18E:1F1 (talk) 02:01, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I meant European Political Party Freedom Caucus. My Bad. 2600:8804:8A81:FA00:C486:85E4:D18E:1F1 (talk) 02:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Notability of Dmytro Kushneruk

There seem to be enough references for WP:GNG in the lede of Dmytro Kushneruk. Could someone check, opine, and maybe remove the warning? Thx Trzb (talk) 04:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Trzb Six refs in the Lead to confirm he is a dipiomat is over-referencing. (Perhaps some of those can be moved to the section about the Russian invasion.) In general, government appointments (diplomats, government, military) are less likely to have Misplaced Pages-notable careers compared to elected. David notMD (talk) 10:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD, thank you for your response. I don't disagree about moving the refs (and can make the changes when the main issue is addressed), but hope this in no way affects sufficient media coverage per WP:GPG. Not sure how Kushneruk's being appointed affects the interpretation of media coverage. Trzb (talk) 08:11, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Remove shudra sentences from devanga Misplaced Pages

Hello

please find reliable source in the below link no where it is mentioned that we are shudra

see and change it

https://pure.northampton.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/55104710/Haridarshan_Pooja_2021_The_influence_of_the_childhood_experiences_of_women_in_Bangalore_India_upon_their_aspirations_for_their_children_socio-cultural_and_academic_perspectives_A_community_based_study.pdf

Harishsk2022 (talk) 09:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

This page is for questions on how to edit Misplaced Pages. The place to propose improvements to an article is the talk page of that article, in this case Talk:Devanga. Please provide a reliable source for your proposal. The fact that some source does not assert something is irrelevant. Shantavira| 09:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello

please find reliable source in the below link no where it is mentioned that we are shudra

see and change it

https://pure.northampton.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/55104710/Haridarshan_Pooja_2021_The_influence_of_the_childhood_experiences_of_women_in_Bangalore_India_upon_their_aspirations_for_their_children_socio-cultural_and_academic_perspectives_A_community_based_study.pdf

Harishsk2022 (talk) 09:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Stop adding this everywhere. Please. You did this to my talk page already. ''']''' (talk|contribs) 09:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

When it will get updated?? ??

How long time it will take!? Harishsk2022 (talk) 09:44, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Harishsk2022 You have made edit requests at Talk:Devanga which have all been denied. Asking the same here at Teahouse has no purpose. Please stop. David notMD (talk) 09:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't want to edit you just remove that word shudra from the devanga Misplaced Pages page

Hello

please find reliable source in the below link no where it is mentioned that we are shudra

see and change it

https://pure.northampton.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/55104710/Haridarshan_Pooja_2021_The_influence_of_the_childhood_experiences_of_women_in_Bangalore_India_upon_their_aspirations_for_their_children_socio-cultural_and_academic_perspectives_A_community_based_study.pdf

Harishsk2022 (talk) 09:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

At WP:ANI there is now a recommendation that User:Harishsk2022 be indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 10:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I have blocked them for one week for "disruptive editing" and have left an explanatory message on their talk page so they understand why their constant demands everywhere to make an edit they want has proven disruptive to everyone else. Hopefully, they will not try the same tactic again once the block expires, or it may become permanent. Competence is required. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

UPDATE: Now blocked for a further week for continuing their disruptive tactic on their talk page! Nick Moyes (talk) 13:55, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

As a heads up, they came onto #wikipedia-en-help on IRC and demanded we unblock them and "address concern". —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 02:11, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

I keep getting this "parsoid" error whenever I try to edit an article

I've tried restarting my computer, and the error still pops up. Any way I could fix this? TWOrantula (enter the web) 15:09, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

...okay, it's gone now? TWOrantula (enter the web) 15:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Same here, the visual editor is not working, It worked that’s why I removed my topic from here but as I am checking from phone it is not loading. Grabup (talk) 15:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Grabup See WP:VPT § Can't edit where others are reporting similar issues and where the experts hang out. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Now it's back again. TWOrantula (enter the web) 15:28, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T356157

Technical discussion since January, when it first occurred. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:41, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTWOrantula

Hi! And welcome to the Teahouse! It seems like there is a Technical Difficulty going on here. I have not gotten the error yet but have you tried resetting the cache? Maybe try that and see if it works. HermoineGranger54 (talk) 16:36, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Seems to work. Thank you! TWOrantula (enter the web) 18:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Np. Glad I could help! HermoineGranger54 (talk) 18:49, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Inactive user

Hello. I can't find the page about the guidelines and criteria on reporting inactive users, could you please direct me toward it? I just realized that user:Mzajac has been gone from en.wiki for an unusual amount of time compared to how much he usually edits. Cheers. Encyclopédisme (talk) 16:20, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Just read the talk page archives and turns out he hasn’t been editing since his last topic ban. Encyclopédisme (talk) 16:24, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Encyclopédisme I don't understand why "reporting inactive users" would be of interest to anyone. To whom would you report them and why? Most people here are volunteers who might give up editing for any number of reasons. On the other hand, if you know of a deceased editor, see the guidance at WP:DECEASED. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I remember a page explaining how and when to put a template "inactive user" or something like that. Maybe it’s just me, and that doesn’t actually exist. Encyclopédisme (talk) 17:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Encyclopédisme: See {{Not around}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Encyclopédisme (talk) 19:25, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Editing a page that was removed

There was a company page for CitrusAd (a retail media company) but it was removed. I don't know why it was removed, but I would like edit it so it is accessible for others to know the history of the company, but I am not sure how to find it or where to start. TLN27 (talk) 16:29, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

The page was moved to a draft on 5 November, 2022 for "Quarantine likely covert advertising" The draft was then deleted under WP:G13 on 3 May, 2023 because it was deemed to be abandoned. You can request that it be refunded to you at WP:REFUND/G13. CommissarDoggo 16:37, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for informing me. I do not understand "refunding" it to me. I did not pay for anything- I was only going to edit or update it. Does "refund" in this instance mean, I would take "ownership" of it or it would then be put in my hands for editing? Thank you for your guidance. TLN27 (talk) 16:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

It means you could edit it, not that you own it. What is your connection to the page? Equine-man (talk) 16:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I have connection to it in that I specialize in retail communications in the space of CPG (consumer packaged goods) and retail media. My connection to the page is I formerly worked on PR projects for that company prior to them being sold. I continue to work in the retail media space, but with other clients and companies. TLN27 (talk) 16:58, 14 April 2024 I would appreciate any help in how to properly restore it and resolve any issues. I am new here-- so I'm sorry if this is like hand holding. TLN27 (talk) 17:02, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Refunding essentially means that it will be returned to its draft state. As Equine above asked, do you have a connection to this page at all? CommissarDoggo 16:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I have connection to it in that I specialize in retail communications in the space of CPG (consumer packaged goods) and retail media. My connection to the page is I formerly worked on PR projects for that company prior to them being sold. I continue to work in the retail media space, but with other clients and companies. TLN27 (talk) 16:58, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, TLN27. "REFUND" here has nothing to do with the ordinary English word "refund", but is a bit of Misplaced Pages jargon for "Request For UNDeletion". ColinFine (talk) 18:00, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@CommissarDoggo: Please don't use jargon like "refunded" here on the Teahouse page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Notability and Neutral Point of View.

Hi Edit support,

I am trying to build a Misplaced Pages page for Victoria Wyeth, I am receiving no benefit for my actions. I do not know Victoria but I do have her permission to proceed with this endeavor. My first submissions has ben denied approval on the grounds of notability and neutrality. I do believe that Victoria is sufficiently notable because she is an active part of the Wyeth legacy. Victoria is working to improve the public knowledge through her presentations.

But, when I try to develop a better submission to get over the notability question, I fall foul of the neutrality rule.

What can I do to correct or improve my submission?

Paul Paul7384 (talk) 16:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

The large majority of the page is uncited and does not at all sound like it's presented in WP:WIKIVOICE.

As an example, the first paragraph reads "Victoria Wyeth is an accomplished and passionate lecturer, traveling world wide, her audiences benefit from her unique perspective through her first hand experience combined with her extensive research. As the granddaughter of renowned artist Andrew Wyeth, she carries forward a legacy of creativity and talent. Additionally, being the great-granddaughter of the celebrated illustrator N.C. Wyeth and the niece of contemporary realist Jamie Wyeth, Victoria is an active part of a remarkable artistic dynasty. The daughter of Nicholas and Jane Wyeth. Her father, Nicholas, is a private art dealer, while her mother, Jane, is an art advisor with a background in art history." To put it simply and rather bluntly, it reads like a PR puff piece.

I would personally nuke this and completely rewrite it, focusing on what reliable, secondary sources are saying about this person. If you cannot find reliable, secondary sources, then you do not have a page. See WP:BACKWARDS for more on that. CommissarDoggo 16:43, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I’d also steer clear from editing the page due to your possible conflict of interest. Equine-man (talk) 16:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Equine-man Editors with a conflict of interest are not prohibited from creating articles, provided they use the WP:AfC process, which Paul is doing. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:55, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Agreed, but they should also declare such COI beforehand. Equine-man (talk) 16:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Paul7384 Apart from the tone of the draft, you are not complying with this policy for biographies of living people, which you need to read carefully. You also need to show that she is wikinotable in the way that's defined here. Interviews are not an acceptable way to do that, since inevitably people talk about themselves in a favourable way. You need sources which meet all of these criteria. As a newcomer to editing, you might be better to build your skills by editing existing articles on topics that interest you. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I deleted a lot of the laudatory content, but in my opinion she has not accomplished anything that makes Draft:Victoria Wyeth Misplaced Pages-notable. David notMD (talk) 18:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Paul7384 At risk of a "pile-on", I would add that being "an active part of the Wyeth legacy" is really not sufficient to justify an article about a person. All I see is that Victoria is active in giving lectures about her illustrious ancestors and relatives, but that she, herself, has not garnered much attention otherwise. In essence: Notability is not inherited.

A good source that shows her ancestry and her activity (like this one), could possibly be used in a single sentence on the articles about those ancestors to show her family ties and their artistic legacy that she promotes today. But it would need to be short, very carefully worded, and not forced into an article for its own sake.

I was slightly bemused by one other statement you made, namely, "I do not know Victoria but I do have her permission to proceed with this endeavor." Firstly, if you've made some contact with her, it suggests you do in some way know her but, more importantly, we do not ever need the approval of any notable subject to create a Misplaced Pages article about them. We only use sources that are in the public domain to compile articles, so permission is never needed.

I'm sorry this does not sound too positive. Until she becomes notable in her own right (see WP:NBIO or WP:NARTIST), I fear you might be struggling to make progress. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I didn’t understand the rules sufficiently to make a good submission. I have listened to one zoom presentation by Victoria and I watched a presentation of hers at an organized event. I haven’t spoken with her directly. I sent her some communications about Misplaced Pages. I was very impressed by her work, that’s it really. I can see that opening the page is going to be difficult. Thank you for considering my submission. Paul7384 (talk) 23:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

False Banning

I've recently started editing and I saw a story about someone who got falsely banned and I'm wondering if it could happen to me? BlackbirdRed (talk) 19:00, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello. It's difficult to respond without knowing what you saw. There is a difference between a ban and a block. Many blocked(or banned) users think their block/ban is false when it actually isn't. 331dot (talk) 19:06, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks that helps a lot! BlackbirdRed (talk) 19:17, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

"False banning" might also mean, telling someone that they're banned when they aren't, but they believe you and stop editing. Maproom (talk) 21:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Request to move Draft:Silvia Steiger to my userspace

I like to request that the Draft:Silvia Steiger is moved to my userspace, so I can continue to work on it.

I don't understand how I do so.

Could you please help me with this?

Thanks and kindly regards

Vandepaerela (talk) 20:31, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Vandepaerela: Now at User:Vandepaerela/Silvia Steiger. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Templates

How to create templates on Wiki and can it be created visually? MoCars (talk) 01:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

See Help:Template and Help:A quick guide to templates. ''']''' (talk|contribs) 02:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Saving a sandbox environment.

Hi all. I'm working on big changes to a company page. My mentor helped me create a sandbox environment to create a draft for these changes. I have now asked for an independent editor review of the page but am concerned my changes in the sandbox aren't saving. There is no 'save changes' button, only 'review changes' and 'publish changes'. If I hit publish, will the changes only be reflected in the sandbox environment, or will they update the actual company page in Misplaced Pages? JessZoiti (talk) 05:31, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@JessZoiti: For legal reasons, the "Save" button was renamed to "Publish", so that you are aware anyone can view your changes. It will just be in your sandbox, not the article RudolfRed (talk) 05:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@RudolfRed thank you. I've hit publish in my Sandbox environment. Hopefully this means the independent review editor will be able to see the updates and changes – i requested they synch with my sandbox in order to review the changes. JessZoiti (talk) 05:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I see that you've replaced the description "Singaporean liquefied natural gas exchange", which explains what the business is, by "Provider of enterprise solutions to the global commodities market", which is meaningless promotional guff. In my view that is not an improvement. Maproom (talk) 07:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

And worse - before your edits, it cited six sources. Now it cites none (though it does list some). Misplaced Pages articles should be be based on the sources that they cite - so that's definitely not an improvement. Maproom (talk) 08:02, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

JessZoiti, please see Help:Referencing for beginners in order to improve the article. ''']''' (talk|contribs) 08:05, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for divulging that you are being paid to edit. Very likely each client hopes that its article will impress readers with its experience, skills, probity, etc. But Misplaced Pages is only concerned with what reliable, disinterested sources say about a demonstrably notable subject. These "big changes" you're working on -- are they perhaps intended to aggrandize the subject? As it is, your draft reads like corporate PR sludge. As a humdrum example: "GLX Digital pivoted away from The Global LNG Marketplace in July 2021, discontinuing the product", which doesn't obviously mean anything other than "GLX Digital discontinued the Global LNG Marketplace in July 2021". -- Hoary (talk) 08:26, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

The existing GLX Digital has properly formated refs embedded in the text. Copy those as needed into your Sandbox. For new refs, use proper ref format and placement. P.S. No hyperlinks in text. David notMD (talk) 12:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

You face a large problem: As a declared PAID editor, you are not supposed to edit the article directly. Instead, you are supposed to propose changes on the article's Talk page so that a non-involved editor can approve and implement, or deny. There are a few exceptions that allow for editing the article directly, such as simple facts about headquarters location, number of employees, etc. David notMD (talk) 12:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

HI @David notMD thank you for your help here. I'm new to Misplaced Pages and am unsure of the most appropriate ways to navigate the platform - my intentions are to see the page reflect current and correct information. From this point onwards, I'll make edit suggestions on the Talk page as you recommend. Appreciate it. JessZoiti (talk) 00:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

New topic

I just want to add that that Jonathan Hager "played a crucial role," by emphasizing his significant influence and active involvement in political processes. This, I hope, will underscore his importance in the local history of Maryland and portrays him as a key figure in the region's development. Whytehallda (talk) 06:41, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Whytehallda, thank you for trying, but in the article Jonathan Hager, you've presented as the source for this added tidbit a page that seems to have been "user-generated", and you've put the link to it in the body of the article. Neither is acceptable in a Misplaced Pages article. Please see Help:Introduction to referencing with Wiki Markup/1, -- Hoary (talk) 08:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

New article submission, but before I start…

Dear Wiki Help, I’ve tried and failed to enter a new article because of the notability and my tone being too biographical. I didn’t know about these rules when I started. I’d like to try again but with a different subject. My niece is an actress Flora Dawson, she comes up first if you google her. If I write a short submission and cite her achievements do you think she is noteworthy enough to be published as an article on Misplaced Pages? Paul7384 (talk) 09:52, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Paul7384 Hello and welcome. Please read conflict of interest first. You will want to see the definition of a notable actress to see if she meets it, and gather independent reliable sources that give her significant coverage- those should be summarized in an article, it should not merely document her achievements. 331dot (talk) 09:57, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Paul7384 Most of the content I see on Google is based on her IMDb entry. Misplaced Pages does not consider that a reliable source (see WP:IMDB). So your approach could be to take the IMDb listings only as a starting point to delve into her career and see whether theatre critics etc. have written specifically about her. Choose only high-quality newspaper journalists and avoid anything substantially based on interviews. You must use the WP:AfC process because of your conflict of interest and should declare that on the Draft's Talk Page. Good luck. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:08, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Mike, very helpful. Paul7384 (talk) 12:11, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Photo of corpses

Hi all. Wondering about the photo of corpses in the Dalton Gang infobox. It's the only image on the topic available on wiki commons, which isn't surprising. My reading of the guidance is that it should probably be removed, but I'm curious about what editors with some experience with WP:OM have to say. Cheers. Robincantin (talk) 10:21, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Robincantin I see that you asked this back in January on the Talk Page of the article and I'm surprised you haven't had any replies there given the page had 77 watchers. My own view is that this image (from 1892) is by no means the most graphic we have on Misplaced Pages and would not fall into the most egregious categories where specific consensus to use them would be needed. I note that the image is widely used in multiple-language Wikipedias, so I don't think that the English version is an outlier in this case. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Also see WP:NOTCENSORED. Theroadislong (talk) 12:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that's in the first sentence of the guidance Robincantin has already linked to. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mike Turnbull, Theroadislong Given the topic, I suspect the en.wikipedia was the original, the other languages just followed its example. Ok, I'll leave it unless a discussion going in the other direction develops on its Talk page (looks like it won't). Robincantin (talk) 14:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Robincantin, since we have individual photos of Bob Dalton, Grat Dalton and Emmett Dalton, a collage of those three could be created for the infobox, and the photo of the corpses could be moved to the Coffeeville bank robbery section. I left this suggestion on the article talk page as well. The policy language is at WP:COLLAGE. Cullen328 (talk) 17:44, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Image: copyright holder has approved publication

Hello Wikipedians,

File:Valtra N113 HT5 Forest.jpg

This image has the following text underneath:

The Wikimedia Foundation has received an e-mail confirming that the copyright holder has approved publication under the terms mentioned on this page. This correspondence has been reviewed by a Volunteer Response Team (VRT) member and stored in our permission archive. The correspondence is available to trusted volunteers as ticket #2015102610015282.

I would like to upload some good images to Misplaced Pages. Some I took myself and hold copyright that I can release. For other pictures, however, I would need to get the copyright holder to send the confirmation.

When copyright holder approves the publication:

1. Where do I or copyright holder sends that email?
2. Where do I send or upload the image? Benevolent Bureocrat (talk) 10:38, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Clarification:

Basically, if I'd like to upload an image in the same way as the example I provided – how do I do that? :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benevolent Bureocrat (talk • contribs) 10:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Benevolent Bureocrat Commons has its own Help Desk where you can ask if you run into problems. The email address to send permission is permissions-commons@wikimedia.org See c:Commons:Email_templates for alternative ways you can get people to use the system. For your own pictures taken on your own camera, the process is much simpler. Just use the Commons:Special:UploadWizard and carefully follow the prompts. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:49, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Benevolent Bureocrat. Just going to add that if you upload your own photos to Commons, you need to make sure they are not photos of entirely of or that include too much of someone else's creative content because in many cases you will need that person's consent as well. For more on this, see WP:Derivative works, c:Commons:Licensing, c:Commons:Own work, c:Commons:2D copying, c:Commons:Derivative works, c:Commons:Freedom of panorama, c:Commons:Copyright rules by subject matter and c:Commons:De minimis. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

How do we qualify a "reasonable" paid source?

There's been a handful of changes recently using The Athletic's paid fantasy football guide (ex. Ricky Pearsall) to cite full names, birth dates, and birth places. Is this allowed? I know we can cite paid publications, but these guides feel kind of commercial and are likely not accessible in the long term (and therefore, unarchivable). Any suggestions on what to do here? --Engineerchange (talk) 12:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

In line with the current sourcing policies, I don't see why this wouldn't be allowed. Editors can cite rare books that very few editors will ever be able to read in order to verify the claims made, so as long as the author is reliable, The Athletic's guide would be a usable resource. In terms of "unarchivable": is there precedent of previous years' draft guides being deleted? That would be my main concern here. Reconrabbit 14:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I think the nature of fantasy football journalism (vs. sports journalism) is it is and can be transient and inconsistent, so I would imagine the url of these things can and do change as years go by, but such is the nature of the Internet. Appreciate your input; I think I'll let this go; my concern was if this file is used to cite the birth dates for dozens of articles and is gone in a year, we are stuck back at square one in a couple years time! --Engineerchange (talk) 15:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

That is a concern for sure, but even now there are plenty of printed books that can be bought for the past few decades of NFL drafts still out there, and The Athletic still hosts news articles regarding fantasy football from 2018 that pop up on Google. Reconrabbit 15:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

MOS:ELLIPSES and MOS:LQ seem contradictory.

The following guidance seems contradictory.

MOS:ELLIPSES:

But where an ellipsis is immediately followed by any of . ? ! : ; , ) ] } or by a closing quotation mark (single or double), use a non-breaking space before the ellipsis, and no space after it: Jones wrote: "These stories amaze me. The facts suffer so frightfully ..."

MOS:LQ:

If the quotation is a single word or a sentence fragment, place the terminal punctuation outside the closing quotation mark. When quoting a full sentence, the end of which coincides with the end of the sentence containing it, place terminal punctuation inside the closing quotation mark.

• Miller wanted, he said, "to create something timeless".
• Miller said: "I wanted to create something timeless."

My guess is that MOS:ELLIPSES is not as clear as it could be. For example, perhaps it should be edited like this (or similar):

But where an ellipsis is immediately followed by any of . ? ! : ; , ) ] } or by a closing quotation mark (single or double), use a non-breaking space before the ellipsis, and no space after it: Jones wrote: "These stories amaze me. The facts suffer so frightfully ...".(Note that the period ending the sentence should be placed outside the quotation mark; see MOS:LQ.)

Or am I totally misunderstanding?

Thanks! – Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) 14:06, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Markworthen My interpretation is that an ellipsis is the set of (usually) three dots that indicates something is missing: in this case from a quote. That being so, it would be confusing to place another punctuation dot immediately after the ellipsis but it does need a non-breaking space before it. Another way to think of this is that any quotation ending in an ellipsis must indeed be a fragment, so the advice at MOS:LQ is good: put the quotation mark before the final punctuation. Your suggestion to alter the guidance could lead to extra clarity, so if no-one else here at the Teahouse has a different idea, you could be bold and add that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Excellent - thank you! Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) 16:44, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

IP Address Exemption

I am having issues with my IP when editing. How do I go through this huddle? Caleb Ndu (talk) 16:11, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Caleb Ndu: Welcome to the Teahouse! What issues are you having? If you're not able to edit at all, see Misplaced Pages:IP block exemption. If you're having a different issue, please provide more details. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@GoingBatty My account was created by a user due to the fact I couldn't create it on my own which was then because my IP address was abused previously. I'm just concerned about future problems here on Misplaced Pages. Thank you for trying to help me but I need more directions. Caleb Ndu (talk) 17:18, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Caleb Ndu! As long as you're logged into your account, the editing status of your IP shouldn't matter and you should be good to go! What other directions are you looking for? Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 17:34, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Perfect4thI am happy to receive clarifications. Now, my nerves are calm. I need a mentor here. How do I apply for? Caleb Ndu (talk) 17:41, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Caleb Ndu, there are various ways you can get mentorship or help on Misplaced Pages. It looks like your automatically assigned mentor is Alextejthompson – you can ask your mentor questions on their talk page here. You can also continue to ask questions here at the Teahouse. Did you have a specific question you wanted an answer for? Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 17:51, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Perfect4th Thanks for this direction, I have written @Alextejthompson on his talk page and I wait response from him under 24 hours from this moment. I want to see if he's interested, else I move on with another editor. I love the way you reply me. Caleb Ndu (talk) 18:01, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Submitting a draft through articles for creation

Hi! I am a newbie but want to submit a draft through articles for creation. Do I go straight there, or is it best to ask someone here to review my draft? Any help would be MUCH appreciated :) Becca33 (talk) 17:56, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Becca33Where's the article draft namespace? I wish to contribute to it's improvement. Caleb Ndu (talk) 18:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Use WP:YFA as a path to creating a draft. Be sure that you understand the essential need for references, and how to format references. AfC then allows you to submit your draft. There is a backlog. The system is not a queue, meaning that any draft may be reviewed in days, weeks, or sadly, months. All that said, general advice is to gain experience editing existing articles before attempting to create a new article. P.S. Teahouse hosts are here to advise, but do not wear a second hat as reviewers. David notMD (talk) 18:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Caleb Ndu While wanting to help other editors is admirable, given that you have had your account for less than two weeks, I suggest refraining from offering to co-author drafts by other editors. David notMD (talk) 19:00, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD That's not an issue. I wish to be directed to where I could be more friendly. I wish to interact with other editors as much as I can. I didn't join 2 weeks ago. I joined 2 months ago. Caleb Ndu (talk) 19:26, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! :) Becca33 (talk) 14:09, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi! I have created a draft page through the article wizard on the page you linked above. Do I need to click publish for it to be reviewed - is there anything I need to add when publish? Becca33 (talk) 14:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Becca33, and welcome to the Teahouse. I echo David's advice: every day we see dozens of drafts written by eager new editors before they have spent time learning how Misplaced Pages works. Hardly any of them are acceptable as they stand, and many are never going to be acceptable, because the creators have not begun by determining whether or not the subject meets Misplaced Pages's criteria for notability. Naturally, the enthusiastic creators get disappointed (at the very least) that their efforts appear not to be appreciated.

I see that you are a Marketing professional: to be honest, you may find that more of a hindrance than a help, because often the ways of writing which are entirely appropriate in your work are entirely inappropriate in Misplaced Pages. So, as David says: go slowly, and make sure you understand fundmental concepts such as verifiability, reliable sources, independent sources and neutral point of view before you venture to follow the advice in your first article.

And I'd address most of that to @Caleb Ndu as well. ColinFine (talk) 19:41, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much! :) Becca33 (talk) 14:09, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Biography pages

How do I create biography pages that are not deleted? That is what i want to specialize as a writer Edu.Report (talk) 18:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Edu.Report, the quality of the reliable sources that you cite is all-important. If you neutrally summarize high quality, independent sources that devote significant coverage to the person, you will be well on your way to success. Cullen328 (talk) 18:17, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks that is a great advice. Edu.Report (talk) 18:19, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

WP:BACKWARDS may have something helpful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

That is what I was trying to do, I started a draft and then I was deleted. I could not even edited. How can I work on the article before it is deleted? Edu.Report (talk) 18:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

You could work in your Personal sandbox. Qcne (talk) 19:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Not being an Administrator, I cannot see the draft that was Speedy deleted, but as explained on your Talk page, it was considered too promotional. I recommend you look at existing biographies to get an idea of how content is presented to be neutral versus promotional. Biographies, especially, must have content verified by references. David notMD (talk) 19:06, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Edu Report. If you make sure you ignore absolutely everything said, written, or published, by the subject or their associates, and write summarizing only what independent commentators have published about the subject, your work will be less likely to be regarded as promotional. ColinFine (talk) 19:44, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Edu.Report: You can request a copy of the deleted page be put in your sandbox, so you can improve it, by asking at WP:REFUND. Please note that pages deleted as a copyright violation will not be restored. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I think you meant "will not be restored". ColinFine (talk) 21:06, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Corrected. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Auto-archive for page

I have difficulties sometimes properly setting up the automatic archive feature on some pages. I attempted just now to setup a automatic archive for the talk page at Atlas Network, but I cannot be positive that it was setup correctly. Could one of you please help me in checking just to ensure that that was created correctly and that it should then begin auto-archiving in 14 days as currently configured? Iljhgtn (talk) 18:50, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn since there are not a lot of threads on that page, it might be better to manually archive them with a tool like WP:1CA, which will move an individual thread to an archive. 14 days seems awfully short for the number of threads there are. – Isochrone (talk) 19:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok. How do I change the time. I think 30 days might be best. I just do not know how to set that up. If you could help me that would be really nice. Iljhgtn (talk) 19:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: Paste this at the top of the talk page:

{{User:MiszaBot/config
|archiveheader       = {{talkarchivenav}}
|maxarchivesize      = 75K
|counter             = 1
|minthreadsleft      = 4
|minthreadstoarchive = 1
|algo                = old(28d)
|archive             = {{SAFESUBST:FULLPAGENAME}}/Archive %(counter)d
}}
{{archives|search=yes}}

Change old(28d) (28 days) to a more suitable number if you wish. Adjust |counter = 1 to account for any existing archive pages. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I added a lowercasesigmabot that would appear to be working. If you want to check my work, it looks like it already archived some content and left some still yet to be archived. Talk:Atlas Network. Iljhgtn (talk) 20:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

How do I create personalized user boxes?

I am intoxicated by use of User box to explain my user page and I don't know exactly how to create them. I mean, custom User box. Somebody help me please comprehensively. Caleb Ndu (talk) 19:49, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello again Caleb Ndu. Does WP:User boxes help? (General hint: if you want to know about something in using or editing Misplaced Pages, it's usually worth trying to search for the term with WP: on the front). ColinFine (talk) 21:08, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Caleb Ndu: Often the easiest way to create a custom user box is to find on another user's page one whose general appearance you like, copy the code from that user page, and paste it on your page, replacing the text and image with what you want. That's what I did for the top box on my user page. Deor (talk) 22:22, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Applying this now is my problem. I'm still new here. Caleb Ndu (talk) 22:37, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

You could use the template {{userbox}} (click on that for more instructions). For instance,

{{Userbox |border-c=black |#CCEEFF |white | How? |info-a=center |How do I make my own userboxes?}}

creates

How?	How do I make my own userboxes?

-- Verbarson  _edits 12:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Verbarson thank you. I'm satisfied with your answers. Caleb Ndu (talk) 23:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I am not happy

I am not happy by the treatment of this website, I am sick and tired of abusive moderators destroying contributions and violating pages. I want a formal complaint against Pmffl Poppodoms (talk) 20:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

This seems to relate to the recent history of ArkWeb, which is now a redirect. Please follow the process at WP:DR. See also WP:AGF. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:25, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

You may also want to ping someone when you are doing this so they are not taken by surprise. @Pmffl Iljhgtn (talk) 20:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't want information, I want direct link to get this page rolled back Poppodoms (talk) 20:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Poppodoms. I have not looked at the issue, and I have no idea whether I would support your position or not. But Misplaced Pages is a collaborative project. If you take the position of "I'm right and they're wrong" you are not likely to be happy here, and you may find yourself blocked.

Incidentally, we don't have "moderators". Pmffl is another editor, like you and me.

Please look at the pages Andy pointed you to. ColinFine (talk) 21:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages contributor is abusing his power on it, this is not "I'm right and they're wrong" situation. It is simply abuse. Poppodoms (talk) 21:17, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Talk:ArkWeb has the context. 2 items of note here: there is currently only one English reference for this topic, and Poppodoms is trying to unilaterally control this article, even to the point of blanking it in protest. I admit I was too hasty in some of my edits earlier today, but I stand by the redirect, as explained on the talk page. -Pmffl (talk) 21:11, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I stand by the reverse redirect. Pmffl admitted that it was a browser engine on the Talk:ArkWeb - Misplaced Pages Poppodoms (talk) 21:15, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I did admit it, but that doesn't change the lack of valid English refs for this topic. Hence the redirect. I want to emphasize again, this is nothing personal for me. I realize you created this article and may feel some "ownership" of it, but that's not how wikipedia is supposed to work. (But I get it; it can be hard not to feel that way about work done here.) -Pmffl (talk) 21:19, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't feel ownership to anything here, I only contribute with the citations, I feel that you are not doing your job as a contributor, in looking at things objectively, and allowing it to naturally grow. You come behind and feel entitled to act like a moderator like it's "suspicious", when you are mere contributor like myself. Poppodoms (talk) 21:22, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

This should really be taking place on the relevant talk page and not here on the Teahouse I think. Iljhgtn (talk) 21:41, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

i understand. I apologise. It's resolved between two parties. Thank you very much, I appreciate it. Poppodoms (talk) 21:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I am speaking as an administrator here and have no opinion on whether or not ArkWeb is notable. But I do want to advise both Poppodoms and Pmffl that your behavior regarding this matter is poor. Poppodoms, you came here with an inappropriate hot and heavy attitude. Your comment abusive moderators destroying contributions and violating pages is overly aggressive and indicates a deep misunderstanding of how Misplaced Pages actually works. Contributions cannot be "destroyed" because they always remain in an article's edit history. The term "moderator" is not normally used on Misplaced Pages, and even if if you mean "administrator" instead, Pmffl is not an administrator. Pmffl, here and elsewhere, you have repeatedly stated that English language sources are required to establish the notability of a topic. This is false. It is perfectly OK to provide references to reliable sources in languages other than English on the English Misplaced Pages. If reliable sources are plentiful, then English language sources are preferable. For example, there is no need to add Italian language sources to Abraham Lincoln because the English language coverage is massive. But if English language coverage is limited, then references to coverage in other languages is just fine. Both of you, do not discuss concepts or refer to policies that do not exist here. Base your statements only on actual policies, guidelines and behavioral norms here on English Misplaced Pages. This is a collaborative project and hurling unfounded accusations and assertions is not the way to operate. Cullen328 (talk) 02:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Twinkle Question

Hello,

I just started using Twinkle and I don't understand what an AGF Rollback is. Could someone explain?

Also, when should I use Rollback and when should I use the "Vandalism" button when comparing edits? For now, I use "Rollback" for "test edits" and "Vandalism" for vandalism. Is this how I should use it?

Thanks. Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 20:26, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

AGF stands for "Assume Good Faith". Rollback is a feature that lets you revert a whole series of edits in one click. Which is why it needs to be used with great care and caution. Iljhgtn (talk) 20:28, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I see. Thanks! Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 20:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

You are welcome. Iljhgtn (talk) 20:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Article alerts not working?

After a few weeks of waiting, I'm not sure why the article alerts template for WikiProject Apps isn't working. I've assessed a considerable amount of pages with the project tag, and the bot seems to be updating the page. TWOrantula (enter the web) 21:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

coi use of DISPLAYTITLE:title template

Hi, may I change the display title of an article (OutTV to OUTtv), supply references to a number of sources validating the updated stylization of the name (almost all the existing citations on the page where the title resides), remove the phrase: "OutTV (stylized OUTtv)", as well as then update the article text to reflect the new title case? I have a displayed coi with the article and would also mention coi in the edit summary. The article currently exists with both styles used in the text. Or would this be better addressed via an edit:COI request? Thank you. Oshentree (talk) 23:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Oshentree. Thank you for your transparency. I think it would be better as an edit request. ColinFine (talk) 09:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

All right, thanks for your response ColinFine. No problem, will do. Oshentree (talk) 16:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Edits

my father has a wiki page and in the spouse column it says married with children, he wants me to edit that and put in the name of my mother and siblings, but wikipidea does not allow edits to the pages of people you are related to, what can i do to resolve this.

Tpiusukeyima (talk) 23:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Tpiusukeyima. Misplaced Pages is quite strict about what it does and doesn't allow in Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons (please read that project page). Generally, spouses and children are only named if they are notable (i.e. qualified for their own Misplaced Pages article) in their own right or are very relevant to matters discussed in the article.

Usually, for example, names of non-adult children are not listed just because they exist: this is to maintain their privacy and protection — criminals, kidnappers and scammers can read Misplaced Pages as easily as anyone else.

We have some advice at Misplaced Pages:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. What applies to the subject of an article applies also to non-notable relatives of the subject. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.134.31 (talk) 00:04, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I have often seen spouse named and number of children, but not names. Typically in a Personal life section, along with where currently living. That info requires a ref. David notMD (talk) 05:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

young n restless

how can i get in contact with young and restless star mark grossman

2601:846:780:FA0:5555:4068:B5D6:4680 (talk) 23:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. This, unfortunately, is beyond the scope of Misplaced Pages. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

There is a link to contact information within his entry in the IMDb, here. It appears you have to sign up to IMDbPro to access it, but there seems to be a free-trial option. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.134.31 (talk) 00:18, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Is there any possible way to get the "Deplorable Instinct" article posted?

It's a very popular story, and is high ranking on Amazon. I feel it deserves an article completely. Can you help me out please? Jasonsepice234 (talk) 23:57, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Jasonsepice234: Welcome to the Teahouse. For one thing, you have no inline citations, which are required for a Misplaced Pages article. Please don't add external links in the body of the article. Also, be aware that sites like Fandom are supplied with user-generated content, which undermines any reliability it would have had. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Deplorable Instinct has an overly long Synopsis and no useful references, thus Declined. Teahouse hosts advise, but are not co-authors. David notMD (talk) 05:15, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

A read of notability criteria for books should give you a good impression of what the AfC reviewers are looking for. I'd note that user generated content like fandom is considered pretty much useless as a source, as is book sellers like amazon. the press release may prove useful as a source but will not count towards notability.

One idea might be to wait until there is significant coverage in reliable independent sources, before resubmitting the draft. And in the meantime whittle down that synopsis to a couple of paragraphs. -- D'n'B-t -- 06:45, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Jasonsepice234: I'll add that the "Literary significance" section seems to be your own editorial commentary, violating Misplaced Pages:No original research. Except for the synopsis, all statements must be cited to reliable sources that are independent of the article topic. If you cannot do that, then the topic cannot have a Misplaced Pages article. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:31, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Need help getting an article reviewed.

I recently created this page: K. S. Radhakrishnan. However, it has not yet been reviewed by any editors. How do I request someone to review?

I have created articles in the past. They all got reviewed within a day or two. I didn't have to request for review or anything like that. Devan.varun (talk) 00:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Devan.varun, typically we don't really like requests for reviews. The backlog is currently and has been quite long so it might take a while. You do not have to request a review, it will be done sooner or later. Justiyaya 02:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Devan.varun You created the article straight into mainspace, as you are entitled to do. All new articles are eventually reviewed by the new pages patrol and won't be indexed by search engines until that happens, or 90 days have elapsed. The alternative process you could have used is to create a draft and submit it for review in a process described at WP:AfC. If you had done that, then when accepted the draft would have been marked as "reviewed" and it would have been open for search engines to index. Unfortunately, the new pages patrol has an even greater backlog (>14,000) than the AfC one, so indexing may take some time. Note that editors experienced with creating articles can request that they become WP:Autopatrolled, which would mean that their future submissions would be indexed as soon as placed in mainspace. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. Devan.varun (talk) 04:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Devan.varun Do you have a particular need for a speedy NPP review? 331dot (talk) 10:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Nope. I just asked because I wasn't sure what was going on. While I have created a few pages in the past, this is the time I experienced a delay in a page getting reviewed. Thanks for the clarification :-) Devan.varun (talk) 04:40, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

WP:COMPETENCE explained politely

Hi. How can I explain to a new editor that competence in English is required in a polite manner? Thanks. ''']''' (talk|contribs) 01:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

If someone has just started editing and then {{Welcome-foreign|lang=}} has some polite-but-firm text. If you think you can reasonably guess what their first language is, then the template also provides translations of the same welcome text (see docs). -- D'n'B-t -- 06:55, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Great. Thank you! ''']''' (talk|contribs) 06:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, CanonNi. First, be aware that WP:COMPETENCE is an essay and therefore does not have the force of an official policy or guideline. That being said, I think the underlying concept that "competence is required" is widely accepted. This sentence is useful to think about: Rather than labeling them as "incompetent" in the pejorative sense, we should ease them out of the Misplaced Pages community as graciously as possible, with their dignity intact. The specifics of the lack of competence need to be considered. People who do not speak English well often perceive the English Misplaced Pages as more influential or as the "master Misplaced Pages". These editors should be gently encouraged to edit the Misplaced Pages language version in the languages they speak fluently. Other editors are so firmly dedicated to their ideology or religion or other strongly held point of view that they have difficulty writing policy compliant content. We need to politely explain that writing from the Neutral point of view is a core content policy that is mandatory. Sometimes an editor simply will not accept the constructive feedback and persists with disruptive editing. In such cases, you need to provide convincing evidence to administrators, who can decide on the most appropriate restriction for the good of the encyclopedia. That may include page blocks, topic bans or sitewide blocks. Cullen328 (talk) 07:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I understand. The editor seems to have understood. Thank you for this detailed answer! ''']''' (talk|contribs) 07:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

What is jargon?

I know this is going to be a stupid question but, what is Jargon? I have heard someone said "Don't use Jargon." What is Jargon? Can someone please explain to me? Thanks! 2600:8804:8A81:FA00:C486:85E4:D18E:1F1 (talk) 02:13, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

We actually have an article on Jargon. CLick on that link and have a read, and come back here if you still have questions. HiLo48 (talk) 02:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP! For a list of jargon on Misplaced Pages, see Misplaced Pages:Glossary. We usually try not to use jargon while communicating to newer users as to not cause confusion. Justiyaya 02:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

On WP, jargon would be something like "You have a COI regarding that BLP." Insider language. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for explanation. I had thought that Jargon was a Klingon dialect. David notMD (talk) 14:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

TaH pagh taHbe. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

LOL. However, the science fiction author Andre Norton did write a novel called The Jargoon Pard. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.134.31 (talk) 16:20, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Transfer copy from Wikimedia to Misplaced Pages.

Please help me with https://commons.wikimedia.org/User:Gaw54. I accidentally drafted the page on wikimedia rather than wikipedia. How can I most efficiently transfer the draft to finish it in the right format? It has been a while since I've created pages here and am getting very lost in the weeds. Any assistance would be much appreciated. Gaw54 (talk) 03:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately there isn't a way to move a page from Commons to Misplaced Pages. I'd suggest just copy-pasting the page and fix any formatting issues, which should be simple. ''']''' (talk|contribs) 03:35, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Gaw54 Just to support the idea of copy/pasting your draft, but to say that it should not be added into youe user page. That's for you to say a few words about yourself and your own editing interests. Instead, you should either work on it at Draft:Bonnie Rychlak, or at User:Gaw54/sandbox. Then pop back here when you're read and we'll help you submit it for review at 'Articles for Creation'. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

What Nick Moyes says, but with the minor correction that it wouldn't be "Drafts:Bonnie Rychlak" (plural) but instead Draft:Bonnie Rychlak (singular). -- Hoary (talk) 11:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I've fixed the typo 'Draft' not 'Drafts' DOH! Nick Moyes (talk) 20:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Accuracy of content

How is the submitted content examined for accuracy? 103.187.245.60 (talk) 08:31, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Be aware that Misplaced Pages does not guarantee accuracy, see the Misplaced Pages:General disclaimer. That said, readers and other editors are relied on to check sources and determine if they are accurately summarized in the article. If you see content that you believe does not accurately summarize the sources provided, you should discuss that on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 08:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

More at Reliability of Misplaced Pages. In general, errors can linger, more likely in areas with few interested editors. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:51, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

When to remove template message

Hi, I just edited Self-portrait (Giorgione) to add a citation link to the website of the museum where the painting is currently on display. The page now has just this one citation. Is this enough to remove the template message? or should I leave it there for now until further links are added? Thanks... SwollenSails (talk) 09:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello! The template can be switched to {{more citations}} as there's at least one source now. If you could find a source to verify the other contents of the article, that'd be great. Otherwise the information not cited by the reference can be removed. Thank you for your efforts! NotAGenious (talk) 09:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, thanks. So the convention is that I switch the template after adding the first link? If so then all good, I get it. Is there anywhere that explains template-switching in newbie terms? SwollenSails (talk) 10:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@SwollenSails Weeeell... Can't think of any at the top of my head. Help:A quick guide to templates and Misplaced Pages:Template index/Cleanup may be of some help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:24, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Can anyone at least explain this sentence — “The template can be switched to {{more citations}} as there's at least one source now” — to me? How do I undertake this specific task in future, if I want to just do it myself? Thanks. SwollenSails (talk) 12:21, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@SwollenSails New editors tend to use the visual editor as it is the easiest for simple text changes. Templates like the ones under discussion are much easier to swap using the source editor. There are tutorials for both at Help:Introduction. If you "edit source" on Self-portrait (Giorgione) you will see various templates at the top, under the one that provides the short description. Currently they are {{refimprove|date=April 2024}} and {{notability|date=April 2024}}. It was the former one that used to be {{more citations}} until Gråbergs Gråa Sång changed it and also added the second one. When changing templates like these, make sure you "Preview" before saving/publishing, to check that the new template does what you think it does. Incidentally, you don't need to add the date to the template if you don't want to: a bot will come along very quickly to do that if you omit it: see the edit history of the article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Thankyou! That’s exactly what I needed. SwollenSails (talk) 13:44, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@SwollenSails I changed the template, since the one in place was now wrong. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok great, thanks SwollenSails (talk) 10:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Rudeness from mods

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

So, I was editing a page Mike Breen and somebody undid my edits, all I did was add famous quotes of the man and then a mod took it down, when I asked him why, he was extremely rude and impatient, what do I do this is only my 2nd day here. CDoug17 (talk) 14:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User talk:CDoug17 § April 2024 ''']''' (talk|contribs) 14:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@CDoug17 By long consensus, Misplaced Pages has very strict rules about additions to biographies of living people. You may know that what you added were "famous quotes" but most other people would not know that and would want to be able to verify that what you added was true. Hence, when placing such information into articles, we insist you simultaneously cite the source for your content (see this help page). As an aside, Misplaced Pages editors don't use the expression "mods". We have administrators but they have no more power to enforce the content of articles than anyone else. We have a guideline asking experienced editors not to be too aggressive towards newcomers but not everyone is perfect (including you, judging by your very first edit)! Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) No one was rude to the user. I left a standard warning, followed by a weird discussion between me and another administrator, but neither that administrator nor I was rude in the slightest.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

A sudden deletion of Xiao Yan.jpg with no actual reason

Hello everyone, a file Xiao Yan.jpg was deleted by User:EugeneZelenko with no actual reason, and the file clearly didn't violate any rules. I'm guessing maybe he deleted it by mistake, but if not i suppose he should have given a deletion reason?
Thisasia   14:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

See c:User talk:Thisasia: user has problem with understanding c:Commons:Licensing and was notified about this and other files. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Noted. But just to confirm, the c:Commons:Licensing indicates that YouTube items under the creative common licence are free to reuse or isn't?
Thisasia   15:50, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Youtube vids can be marked with a Commons acceptable license, like this one:. Most aren't. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thanks for your response, but please what's the easy way to distinguish between the YouTube video common licence and none common licence?
Thisasia   16:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

If you look at that video, there's a "more" you can click to expand. It lists the licensing. If that's not there, you can't add it to Wikimedia Commons. Valereee (talk) 16:32, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Oww got it, Thanks for your reply.
Thisasia   16:42, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Deleted for not fitting the narrative.

I edited the page on spirulina to include a link to a recent study. Editor Julius Senegal removed the edit, and when I asked him why he gave a bullshit answer. His honest answer would be that he's a shill for Big Pharma. What can I do? And why is Misplaced Pages becoming anti-science?

Spirulina

User talk:Julius Senegal#Why did you remove my edit of the spirulina page? 2600:1700:B2C0:5E10:D4BA:B511:43FF:4786 (talk) 15:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

It wasn't a "bullshit answer". The removal was done because your source does not comply with WP:MEDRS. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:44, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

IP editor, I would suggest you refrain from making personal attacks and strike out your baseless accusations. @Julius Senegal gave you the relevant guideline and was correct to remove your addition. Qcne (talk) 15:45, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Look at Julius' post. It's **NOTHING BUT** personal attacks. Again, his answer was bullshit. You are all showing that the once great Misplaced Pages has been ruined and is no longer a reliable source of information. 2600:1700:B2C0:5E10:D4BA:B511:43FF:4786 (talk) 23:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Please read WP:NPA. It is not OK to make a personal attack like that on another editor. You need to withdraw it, please. DBaK (talk) 15:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

His original post was **NOTHING BUT** personal attacks (along with a racist attack on the people of an entire region of the planet). I will not withdraw it. And I have taken screen shots to preserve all of this. 2600:1700:B2C0:5E10:D4BA:B511:43FF:4786 (talk) 23:09, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

You're pushing fringe theories and you're accusing those who remove the theories of being racist? The only thing that's gonna happen is that you're gonna be blocked. LilianaUwU 01:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

IP, our rules for medical articles only allow the best sources, so it's not a matter of 'not fitting the narrative'. It's a matter of 'this source isn't considered high-enough quality'. You can find more at the WP:MEDRS link. Valereee (talk) 16:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Is there nobody at Misplaced Pages who can be honest? You have all ruined a once-great source of knowledge and turned it into a pile of shit. 2600:1700:B2C0:5E10:D4BA:B511:43FF:4786 (talk) 23:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Rather than making racist personal attacks, he could have done a ten-second google search, found more sources (is NATURE a good enough source) and added to the entry. Again, Misplaced Pages has turned to shit.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Spirulina+Covid&t=ftsa&atb=v416-1&ia=web 2600:1700:B2C0:5E10:D4BA:B511:43FF:4786 (talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

That's just a DuckDuckGo search? The Nature source seems to say Their broad-spectrum antiviral properties have been studied, however, their effect against SARS-CoV-2 remains unknown. Valereee (talk) 00:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

To revisit (again) the simple reason your addition to Spirulina (dietary supplement) was reverted: a single clinical trial doe not qualify for the requirements stated at WP:MEDRS. All the other journal references - from the DuckDuckGo search - are in vitro studies, which also do not meet WP:MEDRS. David notMD (talk) 03:14, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

I have blocked the IP editor for one week for personal attacks, harassment and disruptive editing. Cullen328 (talk) 05:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Dear Teahouse staff

What should I do so that the User page: timbaraliris is modified and improved continuously.

This man deals with science and education. His data and his online publications will be added value for the Misplaced Pages site. TimBaraliris (talk) 18:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey, @TimBaraliris. So, that's not what we do here. We create and maintain articles on subjects, including people, who are notable per Misplaced Pages standards, which you can read about at WP:Notability (people). If you're Tim Baraliris, you might also want to read WP:AUTOBIO and its links. Valereee (talk) 19:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, TimBaraliris. You should also read WP:UP to discover what kind of thing is acceptable on a user page. ColinFine (talk) 20:45, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:TimBaraliris/sandbox

@TimBaraliris: I fear my colleagues have misunderstood, because you did not correctly give the name of the page to which you refer. The biography of Kujtim Baraliu in your sandbox appears to be written in Albanian. You can either copy it to the Albanian-language Misplaced Pages, or rewrite it in English, then submit it for publication on this Misplaced Pages using the process described at WP:AFC. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:27, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

a question

hey guys - does anyone remember the videos called strawberry shortcake sets the school on fire and charlie brown gets a gold card? they've become lost media and i'm trying to hunt them down at this point 2A02:8084:EA4:2B80:9982:222D:A1B5:AD5 (talk) 21:46, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Try Misplaced Pages:Reference desk/Entertainment. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:18, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP! And welcome to the Teahouse, though your question does not reflect Misplaced Pages. You could try other sources though! Neko Lexi (talk) 14:28, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

thank you 2A02:8084:EA4:2B80:3C9F:A882:2CE4:B4F1 (talk) 21:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Np. Glad I could help Neko Lexi (talk) 22:10, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Adding a photo

There is a Misplaced Pages page that lists the various mayors of the City of Richmond, CA. There are photos of some of the mayors along with the dates of their service. My father was one such mayor but he does not have a photo next to his name. If I provide the photo can someone insert it in the appropriate space?

The page I would like to the picture to is: List of mayors of Richmond, California. Tahomadude (talk) 22:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

This can be done; however, it's important to realize that copyright on photos is complicated.

Is this a photo that you took? If not, who was the photographer? DS (talk) 02:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@Tahomadude: Many of the photos on that page are official photos of the mayor created by the city and it seems are not covered by copyright. What is your father's name and is there an offical photo of your father as mayor? RudolfRed (talk) 02:30, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@Tahomadude: Please see WP:A picture of you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:50, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

When User is added to an article talk page will they get automatically notified?

If I update an article talk page and mention a user, i.e. SomeRandomUser, will they automatically get a notification assuming they exist? Or do I need to go to their User talk page and refer them back to the article talk page? Nnev66 (talk) 00:42, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Nnev66: depends on how you mention them; see WP:PING and {{Ping}} for info. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:16, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

naming children

Is there a rule against naming the (minor) children of a person in a biographical article if they do not have an article of their own? I don't believe there is considering the multiple high profile examples of it on wikipedia, but I am in a dispute regarding this. — THORNFIELD HALL 06:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@Thornfield Hall: Welcome to the Teahouse. WP:BLPNAME is probably most relevant for you, especially footnote e:

This is generally interpreted by the community to include the removal of names of non-notable minors from articles about their notable family members, such as when a notable individual births or sires a non-notable minor. Notability is not presumed or inherited with extremely limited exception (such as heir to a throne or similar).

—Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

What allows Elon Musk's children to be named on his article? — THORNFIELD HALL 06:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Nothing allows it, Thornfield Hall, except that no one motivated to fix the policy violation has yet done so. There are 6,813,262 articles edited by people of varying levels of policy understanding. These problems should be corrected when noticed. Cullen328 (talk) 06:58, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@Thornfield Hall: At WP:BLPNAME there is this: Names of family members who are not also notable public figures must be removed from an article if they are not properly sourced. RudolfRed (talk) 06:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Thornfield Hall, I am in complete agreement with Tenryuu's interpretation and would like to add that WP:BLPNAME links to policy language, and the policy in question is among the most important and vigorously enforced policies that we have. Cullen328 (talk) 06:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

How to show words in an infobox

In the article Mugaku Sogen, I'm trying to get the name in the category "disciples" to automatically show in the infobox without having to click on a thing that says "show", the way it works for other names in categories in that infobox like names in the category "teacher". Can anybody please either fix that for me or tell me how to fix it in a simple way? Thank you.SigurdsSister (talk) 07:02, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@SigurdsSister: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! Without changing technical code, the simplest solution is auto-showing the names by setting the |expand_disciples= parameter of the infobox template at the Mugaku Sogen article to true, which I've done in this edit. If that is not the change you want, let me know. LightNightLights (talk • contribs) 12:51, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you!SigurdsSister (talk) 14:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

biology

why a mule is not productive 105.163.0.226 (talk) 09:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi.IP editor and welcome to the Teahouse. The Teahouse is for questions about editing Misplaced Pages. Try asking your question at Misplaced Pages:Reference desk/Science. ''']''' (talk|contribs) 09:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

There's information about this at Mule § Fertility. Bazza 7 (talk) 09:22, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

How to change username

How FarooqAhmedPGI (talk) 11:37, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Did you look at Misplaced Pages:Changing username? David Biddulph (talk) 11:58, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @FarooqAhmedPGI and welcome to the Teahouse. See Misplaced Pages:Changing username. ''']''' (talk|contribs) 11:58, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Reliable source

good day.

I have a question.

I have restored link rot on the loserfruit wikipedia page. The article for reference there that was used as a source for the statement that she had the 2nd largest following has been restored.

Problem is that the statement wich got quoted from in that article, was in their turn quoted from another site that is not a reliable source. It is also listed in that article as such that it was only a quote/info that came from the unreliable source "according to lineups.com".

What is the policy on using an article as a reference in this? Infrabel1 (talk) 13:53, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy: Loserfruit. David notMD (talk) 16:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

How do I go about removing "This article's lead section may be too short to adequately summarize the key points...."

Hello,

Several years ago I created the wikipedia page on Joseph A. Tunzi. How do I go about removing the "This article's lead section may be too short to adequately summarize the key points. Please consider expanding the lead to provide an accessible overview of all important aspects of the article. (March 2024)

https://en.wikipedia.org/Joseph_A._Tunzi Daryl77 (talk) 14:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@Daryl77 The lead (all the text before the first section heading) is five paragraphs and one sentence long. That is quite a long lead. This makes me wonder if @TDKR Chicago 101 in fact meant to add the Template:Lead_too_long template instead but added the short one by mistake. Qcne (talk) 15:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

My apologies, yes I meant to add the lead too long template. As you can see, the lead is quite long. My mistake. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:05, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

I've updated the page to limit the lead to four paragraphs. Daryl77 (talk) 02:10, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@TDKR Chicago 101 I've updated the page to limit the lead to four paragraphs. Daryl77 (talk) 18:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Qcne I've updated the page to limit the lead to four paragraphs. Could you please remove the "This article's lead section may be too long. Please read the length guidelines and help move details into the article's body. (April 2024)" at the top of the page.

Here's a link to the page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/Joseph_A._Tunzi Daryl77 (talk) 19:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Daryl77, you can remove it yourself if you think you've satisfied the concern. -- asilvering (talk) 19:57, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Profile Mismatch and Confusion

I need help with my profile. When I search the name Adamu Garba II on Google, the highlight that come from Misplaced Pages is that of one Adamu Garba Talba. He carries my picture, my schools and some details about me. While he is currently 72 years, i am 42 years. I need assistance on how to remove his details from my account, and create a robust Misplaced Pages profile for myself.

I will appreciate a helping hand from the Teahouse community. Thank you Adamu Garba II (talk) 14:46, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@Adamu Garba II: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you're seeing this on Google, there's nothing Misplaced Pages can do; you'd have to use their feedback processes. Furthermore, Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia; it is not a site for profiles, particularly if they're used to promote the subject of an article. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

You should also be aware that many people in the world share the same name. Very few names are unique. When I Google my real name I see dozens of other people with the same name. I have never been confused with any of them. Shantavira| 15:28, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

The information at Misplaced Pages Adamu Garba Talba appears to be only about that person. David notMD (talk) 16:25, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

It appears you created a draft about yourself Draft:Adamu Garba II which was deleted due to six months of inactivity. David notMD (talk) 16:32, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

TWA doesn't work

Hi, I'm trying to play TWA, but when it goes to the "Login or create an account" popup, the buttons stop working. I put this on the TWA talk page, but I wanted to put this in the Teahouse so this problem could get more attention. (idk if i'm allowed to put this on the Teahouse, i'm just trying to play the game :,) ) Yyeeetlol (talk) 16:19, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Maybe try inputting a new URl for each step instead of relying on the buttons.

For example, you'd first open. After that, head to , and so on incrementing the number in the URL. This sounds like an issue with the first step, so maybe try skipping it.

TWA is known to be buggy and, honestly, we should probably stop recommending it to newcomets Sincerely, Dilettante 17:12, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Yyeeetlol Sincerely, Dilettante 17:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@Dilettante, thanks, but now it's stuck at the "Reply to Will" button, I'm just gonna read the normal introductions. Thank you Yyeeetlol (talk) 17:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry about that! I don't have any other advice unfortunately. Sincerely, Dilettante 17:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Misplaced Pages:The Misplaced Pages Adventure

Hello, Yyeeetlol. Please note that the page says This tour only uses the source editor. If you use the visual editor or have it enabled it won't work yet. That may be the cause of the problem you are experiencing. Cullen328 (talk) 16:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Cullen328, I changed it to the source editor, but it still doesnt work. When I try to press the button that "Im logged in", it still doesn't redirect to anything. Yyeeetlol (talk) 17:04, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Yyeeetlol, you will need to disable the visual editor, according to the instructions. Cullen328 (talk) 17:07, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft feedback (+ question)

Hello friends! I have just created my first ever real draft article, which is here. I was wondering if could get some feedback from Teahousers here on how I could improve my draft. I also have a question about sourcing, namely if I am allowed to use the website of the organization itself for basic factual information (such as headquarters and leadership info). That's all. Thanks! Antrotherkus 17:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Antrotherkus, WP:ABOUTSELF is the relevant guideline. It essentially states that you can use the website so long as the claims are believable. I'd read the section in full if I were you. Sincerely, Dilettante 17:16, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Antrotherkus, and welcome to the Teahouse.

Teahouse hosts aren't really here to do reviews: a reviewer will get to your draft in time.

In answer to your question: yes, you may use primary sources (which is a broader category than just "their own publications" for such information. However, the bulk of your draft must come from independent sources, and more specifically, you need several sources each of which is independent, reliable, and contains significant coverage of the subject. It looks to me as if the Sky&Telescope is largely based on what the FRIPON team have said, which means that it is not indepedent; and the ESA one does not contain significant coverage. ColinFine (talk) 17:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Article Wizard

Hi, here again. I'm in the article wizard right now, and I am looking to write a draft on a lake that I live near. For the three options of "I'm paid to edit, I'm writing about myself, or a close person/subject, and I'm not connected to the subject", which one of the last two should I put on? Yyeeetlol (talk) 17:32, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

You should be fine with not connected to the subject, as I don't believe you'd have enough of a conflict of interest with a body of water without being under some sort of water regulatory or pumping organisation. CommissarDoggo 17:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@CommissarDoggo: Please ping enquirers when you reply, here on The Teahouse. In this case, Yyeeetlol. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:53, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Single-artist Museum

Please add the following to the Single-artist Museum Listing. DuryeaMuseum.com

Thank you~ JayneDuryea (talk) 17:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@JayneDuryea: Welcome to the Teahouse. You have already been told on your user talk page that only single-artist museums that have Misplaced Pages articles will be added to List of single-artist museums. Do you have a vested interest in putting this museum on? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:57, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

See also Misplaced Pages:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1218#Duryea_Museum. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

vitruvian man

was he/it the very first in italy 2A02:C7C:60A6:7100:290E:8FD0:81AD:1715 (talk) 18:54, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure what your question is, IP editor, but if it's not answered at Vitruvian Man, you could try one of the reference desks - possibly WP:RD/H. 57.140.16.57 (talk) 19:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Temporary Page for Wedding

I had the idea to make a funny, “gag” Misplaced Pages page for my brother at his wedding for my Best Man speech. My idea is just to have people use their phones to find his Misplaced Pages “page” while doing the speech and have something they can look at for fun throughout the evening, with the page simply being deleted the day after. Can I get a moderator or admin to “sponsor” me to let me publish a temporary article - again, one that would simply be deleted the day after? Mstanley92 (talk) 19:20, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mstanley92: No, that's not something allowed on Misplaced Pages. You will need to find another website for your gag. RudolfRed (talk) 19:34, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Mstanley92. Please don't attempt do this. It will almost certainly end up quickly deleted per WP:What Misplaced Pages is not, and it might lead to your account being blocked if you're too persistent in trying to do so. Take a look at Misplaced Pages:Alternative outlets, and perhaps you'll find a website more appropriate for what you'd like to do. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:58, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Sandbox

Where can I find the sandbox? I wanna practice my editing before commencing. (Discopleasant (talk) 19:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC))

@Discopleasant: The sandbox for everyone is at WP:SANDBOX, and it gets cleared at regular intervals. There is also a link there for your individual sandbox, which won't be automatically cleared. RudolfRed (talk) 19:32, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Little Mermaid (2023)

The Little Mermaid (2023 film)

Please don't remove the Bulletin Awards and the Fido Award. Here are the links to show that these awards are real, not fake : WINNERS ANNOUNCED: Bulletin Awards 2023 — The Bulletin (onthebulletin.com)  ; Fido Awards 2024: ‘Anatomy Of A Fall’ Star Messi Finally Gets His Oscar Moment (deadline.com) Rincemermaid (talk) 20:34, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@Rincemermaid: This is something you should raise on the article's talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:50, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Is source biased?

Hi, I'm looking to make an article on a lake, and I have a website for it but it's the cities parks and rec. Idk if this is a dumb question, i'm new to making an article but is this biased or will it hinder NPOV? https://parks.snco.us/136/Lake-Shawnee] Yyeeetlol (talk) 23:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Yyeeetlol. Such a website can be used to corroborate uncontentious facts about the lake, but probably not to help demonstrate the lake's Notability (in the Misplaced Pages sense).

As for the uncontentious facts, to retain a Neutral Point of View, avoid repeating/paraphrasing anything that makes subjective value judgements. Statements such as "the lake's surface area is X square kilometers" or "it is the third highest lake in country Y" would be fine (if true); ones like "the lake lies in a beautiful setting" or "the lake is the pride of Municipality Z" would not, unless they were direct quotes of someone of relevant significance, such as 'Thomas Mann wrote that "the lake lies in a beautiful setting"' . {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.134.31 (talk) 01:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

How Much Context is Too Much Context?

Heya,

I'm a novice editor (as in not highly experienced, not the Misplaced Pages service award) that generally only makes the occasional tweak for various reasons, and I had a question about how much context to provide. On the Melina Abdullah article, it was mentioned that Dr. Abdullah has been selected as Dr. Cornel West's VP for the US 2024 election.

I had changed the line

In April 2024, independent presidential candidate Cornel West announced Abdullah as his running mate.

to

On April 10, 2024, independent, self-described, "non-Marxist socialist," U.S. 2024 presidential candidate Cornel West announced Abdullah as his running mate.

to add more context for unfamiliar readers, due to low media coverage of Dr. West, but most of the second half of the edit was removed. How much context is too much?

Should I put back U.S. into the edit to specify which country's election it is, since it assumes an American reader? Is mentioning a candidate's political leaning too much information, since it can be found in the linked article?

Additionally, I've noticed that titles (Sir, Dr., Ph.D., etc.) are not generally used in articles. Why is this?

Basically, how do I structure my edits to provide more context without it being too much? Madamepestilence (talk) 05:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Madamepestilence. The obvious problem that I see with your edit is that it is a self-description. Misplaced Pages has very little interest in how people describe themselves, and instead we prefer descriptions by independent reliable sources. Why is additional context even needed? Anyone who wants to know more can simply click the Wikilink Cornel West for all the context they want. That is the beauty of a wiki. As for the policy on honorifics, please read WP:SURNAME and WP:HONORIFIC. With very rare exceptions such as Dr. Ruth, we do not refer to people by their academic titles. We refer to them only by their surname after first mention, if their culture has a given name-surname tradition. That certainly applies to West. If a paragraph mentions his relatives named West, then it is permissible to refer to him as "Cornel" in that paragraph only, for the purposes of disambiguation. Cullen328 (talk) 09:46, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Madamepstilence, and welcome to the Teahouse. The answer to your main question is that this is in the area of editorial discretion, and different editors might disagree about any individual case - the thing to do is to discuss it on the article's talk page and get consensus.

What I will say (without having looked at the article) is that at the very least, wording like that should not be included unless it cites an Independent source saying that about him. In an article about West, it would clearly be acceptable to say that he describes himself in a certain way, and cite his own publications, per ABOUTSELF; but in an article not about him, that seems inappropriate me.

Whether to say "US" or not is again a question of editorial discretion. I (as a non-American!) would say it is not necessary here, whereas it would be if it were in most other countries; but there's no harm in putting it in.

And you're right that we don't usually use titles and honorifics in articles, except once in the lead. See MOS:HONORIFICS. ColinFine (talk) 09:34, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

WP:IAR still applied?

I just got to know about “ignore all rules” I want to know when this is applied exactly and whats the benefit of it and how exactly is useful ? HarryD (talk) 06:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. IAR is only relevant if the community feels that a particular action that may go against a rule nevertheless benefits the encyclopedia. It isn't a license for people to do anything they want. What IAR really means is that the spirit of the rules is more important than the letter of the rules. 331dot (talk) 07:53, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

HarshalDhotre06, IAR is the most difficult policy to apply properly and here is the standard I would apply: If other editors say, "yeah, that makes good sense" then you have applied IAR correctly. On the other hand, if other editors respond "what the heck are you doing?", then you have applied IAR incorrectly. The only time in 15 years that I recall consciously applying Ignore All Rules was in the case of Romola Remus, the very first screen actress to play Dorothy Gale, the fictional character at the center of the Wizard of Oz stories. The "rule" is that notable actesses must have multiple roles. Remus had but one. I concluded that her well documented single role in a very early silent film was enough. I explained my reasoning at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Romola Remus eleven years ago, and the article still stands. Cullen328 (talk) 09:06, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Fallout (series) article subject to terrible revisions by one editor

I’m new to this but I am hoping to receive some help on a specific article: one editor has spent the last hour repeatedly adding superfluous information and muddying a section of the Fallout (series) article. I think an article ban may be appropriate but again I am new so just having another set of eyes on this would be great Utopiayouser (talk) 06:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Before bans and blocks are discussed(if they are even warranted) you should first attempt to discuss this issue on the article talk page or with the editor directly. 331dot (talk) 07:51, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

User talk:Corporate132 and User talk:Utopiayouser have both been blocked from editing Fallout (series) for two weeks for edit warring. David notMD (talk) 10:52, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Moving AFD

Could anyone move this AFD to the AFD pages? 2A01:36D:1200:94F:1124:669:E55F:EAC8 (talk) 07:52, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

The OP has been blocked, but for future reference, the instructions for IP editors who want to create an AfD are here. 57.140.16.57 (talk) 13:26, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Template/ Tag for "I'm making major changes to this article"

Is there a template or tag or something that says "I'm going to restructure this article over a couple of edits, in a short period of time" or something along those lines? For editors who are, for instance, moving sections around and saving between edits in a semi-intermediate state. e.g. deleting a section, then merging the content across other sections, for instance.

I think I've seen something like this before but can't find it by searching. Thanks!

JeffUK 09:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

{{under construction}} ? ColinFine (talk) 09:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

It was {{in use}} that I was thinking of, which is linked from there, thank you! JeffUK 09:51, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Show a tag next to the username whether a Misplaced Pages user is an administrator

What is a Misplaced Pages script or gadget to show whether a Misplaced Pages user is an administrator next to the username? The administrator status is displayed automatically without any script on Russian Misplaced Pages by appending character A in parenthesis after the user name.

For example, see : in this example, the user Victoria (A) is an administrator (there is (A) after the username Victoria), whereas the user Lumaca is not an administrator (no (A) after the username Lumaca).

How to achieve the same in English Misplaced Pages? There is a gadget on English Misplaced Pages to strike out usernames that have been blocked, but not a gadget to show administrators. Please help. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 10:15, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Maxim Masiutin Welcome to the Teahouse. To be honest, I couldn't see the difference in the example you linked to.

But here on en.wiki there are a number of user scripts available to achieve what you want. Checking my commons.js file, I see that I have long been using User:Amalthea/userhighlighter.js, which renders admin signatures in a nice, obvious cyan colour. A quick check of that script description suggests there might be a better script at User:Theopolisme/Scripts/adminhighlighter.js, although I've never tried that one.

I also like seeing blocked usernames with a strike-through, but this, as you say, is a setting you can opt in for in Preferences>Gadgets>Appearance.

There are innumerable other userscripts available for a wide range of tasks. You can find them all by following links at Misplaced Pages:User scripts. I hope this gives you what you want. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for referring the "User:Theopolisme/Scripts/adminhighlighter.js", I will use it and give my feedback. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 14:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Upon your advice, I used the script User:Amalthea/userhighlighter.js for a few hours and was very happy with it. This was exactly what I wanted. Although it used background colour rather than the "(A)" prefix, it served my purpose anyway. Than you, you've made my day! Maxim Masiutin (talk) 18:20, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Maxim Masiutin Very pleased to have been of help! Nick Moyes (talk) 19:22, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

How to re-assess an article?

I think this article Tone (linguistics) no longer belongs to the start-class rating because it has some reliable sources and is reasonably well-written with in-depth information. I wasn't sure how to re-rate it as a C-class or B-class (or if I have the permissions to do that at all). If someone else could confer on this topic, that would be much appreciated. Justanotherinternetguy 13:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Justanotherinternetguy and welcome to the Teahouse. You can request re-assessments of articles by other editors at WP:WPWP/ASSESS ''']''' (talk|contribs) 13:10, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Justanotherinternetguy 13:13, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Can't send emails on this wiki

I am very new here and well, the thing is that I accidentally revealed my IP Address on an edit - so I've been trying to use the form to send an email to Oversight for suppressing said edit. However, I am unable to do so since I "cannot send email to other users on this wiki", which is the alert I get every time I submit the form. I have provided the email address and have allowed others to send me emails on my preferences. So, I really don't know what I'm supposed to do now. I wonder if it is because this is a new account? EnvinyatarElessar (talk) 13:34, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @EnvinyatarElessar and welcome to the Teahouse. Have you tried Special:EmailUser/Oversight? ''']''' (talk|contribs) 14:15, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Ah you see that was the form I was talking about - every time I try submitting it, it prevents me from doing so as "You cannot send email to other users on this wiki". I was hoping to know how to resolve that very issue EnvinyatarElessar (talk) 16:38, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@EnvinyatarElessar: See Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_oversight for other options if email does not work for you. RudolfRed (talk) 18:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

porque me expulsan?

escuchadme Hectorinito (talk) 14:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Hectorinito, do you have a question about editing Misplaced Pages? ''']''' (talk|contribs) 14:29, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Hola Hectorinito. This is the English Misplaced Pages. If you have a question about Spanish Misplaced Pages, you'll have to ask there - try es:Misplaced Pages:Café/Archivo/Ayuda/Actual.

On the other hand, if this was about your edit to Wanda Jackson in English Misplaced Pages, then it was correctly reverted, as there does not appear to be any reason to say she is connected with Spain. ColinFine (talk) 14:42, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

How can contribute to add a new page in Misplaced Pages?

I want to add a new page. Please let me know if it is possible? Paridhika Kayal (talk) 15:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It is possible, but it is the most difficult task to attempt on Misplaced Pages. It's much like asking "how do I give a violin recital at Carnegie Hall" or "how do I build a house". There is a lot to learn first. I suggest that instead of diving right in, that you first spend much time editing existing articles in areas that interest you, as well as use the new user tutorial to learn more about Misplaced Pages and what is expected of article content. 331dot (talk) 15:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages in other languages

We would like to translate Electronic literature as a good article in Egyptian Arabic, Urdu, Tamil, Bengali, Hindi, Marati, Malayalam, Haryanvi, and Punjabi. Would we need different accounts for these languages? Is there one clearinghouse and one community? Would we need to work within the Misplaced Pages communities in each language separately? Is there a way to bridge a single account across multiple languages? What if we want to add more languages? Should we be coordinating updates across languages? Is there a way to do this within these various communities? thank you LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 15:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, @LoveElectronicLiterature! Your account will work on all Wiki projects. You do need to have each of your students create their own account, though -- you can't all edit through one account. You will need to follow the rules for each language wiki, as all are different, but many of the differences are not huge, and as a good article here on en.wiki, it is very likely it meets requirements for other language wikis. Valereee (talk) 15:49, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, LoveElectronicLiterature, and welcome to the Teahouse. The general answer is, yes, you may, but each different language Misplaced Pages is a separate project, and they may have different standards and procedures. You can find a general guide in Translate us, but you'll need to examine each Misplaced Pages separately to check whether what you are doing meets its requirements.

You don't need different accounts: normally, accounts are automatically enabled on any Wikimedia project (you may get an unexpected welcome message the first time you visit a particular version).

Some people have an interest in trying to keep articles in different Wikipedias in step, but there is no general requirement to do so, and often they are very different. ColinFine (talk) 15:49, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

editing wikipedia

how do I edit a semi-protected page? Ml5003 (talk) 16:02, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey, @Ml5003, you should be able to. Which page are you trying to edit? Valereee (talk) 16:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Ml5003 By waiting until you've been on Misplaced Pages for 4 days and made 10 edits, please see WP:SEMI. There are several other protection types on that page too, so peruse them if you want. CommissarDoggo 16:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Ml5003 as it appears you are an autoconfirmed user as seen here, you should be able to edit it like any other page (except extended confirmed and protected pages). What happens when you try? - Arjayay (talk) 16:09, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@CommissarDoggo, they already meet that standard. Valereee (talk) 16:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

I can see that now, I don't think I've ever heard of that issue before. CommissarDoggo 16:14, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Ml5003: If you click the "view source" tab, you should get a page that has a button to submit an edit request. If not, you can go to the talk page and place {{edit semi-protected}} in a new section along with a request for another editor to make the edit for you. (edit conflict) apparently you should be able to edit directly? RudolfRed (talk) 16:12, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Layout

why did you change the layout of information? In particular the dates lide/death, places etc of said individual...its too hard to read..bring back the old layout. 2604:2D80:D48A:300:C5C1:3692:D618:530F (talk) 16:27, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. This sounds like it is specific to one article in particular, so any concerns should be brought to that article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

The poster is using the mobile version and describing an infobox so I guess it's the issue at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical)#Infobox television and phab:T362747. It wasn't intentional and there is work to fix it. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:26, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

question

how do I fix my "Draft:Meiko Mochizuki" Page? - From, AikoWatahi-Kun (talk) 17:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@AikoWatahi-Kun: Welcome to the Teahouse. For one, your draft doesn't have any inline citations whatsoever, which are required to establish the subject's wikinotability. Some of the external links you've put down lead to sites with user-generated content, which will not help in that aspect. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

WP:BLP violation

I want to add this to the Rahul Gandhi article:

Rahul Gandhi has threatened that the whole of India will be on fire if the BJP wins the 2024 parliamentary elections and changes the Constitution, during an address at Delhi's Ramlila Maidan.

Will it be a WP:BLP violation?-Haani40 (talk) 19:20, 18 April 2024 (UTC) Haani40 (talk) 19:20, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

BLP violation or not, I wouldn't advise adding that to an article because the meaning is unclear. If he used the words "the whole of India will be on fire" then perhaps they could be reported in quote marks, but without further explanation it's unclear what those words mean and they shouldn't be stated in Misplaced Pages's voice. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:25, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry: What he said was in Hindi. I have provided 4 citations for it, the 4th of which has an embedded video. When translated it means, "the whole country will be on fire if the BJP wins the 2024 Indian parliamentary elections and changes the Constitution". When there are 4 sources, can it not be stated that he (Rahul Gandhi) said so in Misplaced Pages's voice?-Haani40 (talk) 19:43, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

If you're quoting someone, then it should be in quote marks rather than Misplaced Pages's voice, and especially when the meaning is not obvious or the language employs metaphor. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry: There are 4 reliable sources, one of which (the 4th) even has an embedded video, so maybe I can type,

According to Rahul Gandhi, he will set the whole of India on fire if the BJP wins the 2024 Indian parliamentary elections and changes the Constitution.

-Haani40 (talk) 20:41, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

..... or maybe,

Rahul Gandhi has said, "(we) will set the whole of India on fire if the BJP wins the 2024 Indian parliamentary elections and changes the Constitution."

-Haani40 (talk) 20:47, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

References

1. ""If BJP wins these match fixed elections...country will be on fire": Rahul Gandhi". The Hawk. 2024-03-31. Retrieved 2024-04-10.
2. Khanduri, Shailesh (2024-03-31). "India will burn if BJP wins 2024 Lok Sabha polls: Rahul Gandhi at Ramlila ground". NewsDrum. Retrieved 2024-04-10.
3. "Race to Lok Sabha: 'If BJP wins these match fixed polls...country will be on fire'". Bangalore Mirror. 2024-04-01. Retrieved 2024-04-10.
4. "INDIA Bloc Rally". The Economic Times. 2024-03-31. Retrieved 2024-04-10.

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