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	:*What would you propose as an alternate? ]? Given the existence of roughly equivalent categories (and in particular the one for antisemitism) I don't see how this type of an argument is valid. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 21:51, 14 April 2007 (UTC)		:*What would you propose as an alternate? ]? Given the existence of roughly equivalent categories (and in particular the one for antisemitism) I don't see how this type of an argument is valid. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 21:51, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
	*'''Delete''' but I'm also game for '''Kill it with fire'''. I made my points at . Have a nice day! ] 22:00, 14 April 2007 (UTC)		*'''Delete''' but I'm also game for '''Kill it with fire'''. I made my points at . Have a nice day! ] 22:00, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Medium (TV series)

Category:Medium to Category:Medium (TV series)

Merge, Different categories for the same thing. Raasta123 21:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Rename per nom. Doczilla 23:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Anti-Islam sentiment

Per WP:OC#Opinion_about_a_question_or_issue: "...holding an opinion is not a defining characteristic, and should not be a criterion for categorization, even if a reliable source can be found for the opinion." "Anti-Islam sentiment" is by deifnition an opinion on Islam (negative in this case) and thus must be deleted as a clear example of overcategorization. Beit Or 20:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Kill it with fire - per my arguments at the last CFD. Moreschi 20:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Delete per nom. Abberley2 20:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletions. -- (→Netscott) 20:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Keep per my comments at the previous CfD and the one prior to that. the nominator has argued that the cat is an example of WP:OC, although the guideline section seems to refer to categories containing individuals of a particular viewpoint (i.e. "Cat lovers", or "Iraq liberation opposition"). Anti-Islam sentiment, as with Category:Antisemitism, Category:Anti-Christianity, Category:Anti-Protestantism (categories which seem to enjoy community support) etc. may include specific incidents (Jerry Klein’s 2006 Radio Experiment), ideas (Islamaphobia), epithets (i.e. Raghead), and so on, and by no means exist to simply categorise people who entertain certain opinions. ITAQALLAH 20:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Keep per User:Itaqallah, this category is as equally valid as Category:Antisemitism. (→Netscott) 20:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Delete per nom. "Sentiment" is not an objective, encyclopedic term. Doczilla 21:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

What would you propose as an alternate? Category:Anti-Islam? Given the existence of roughly equivalent categories (and in particular the one for antisemitism) I don't see how this type of an argument is valid. (→Netscott) 21:51, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Delete but I'm also game for Kill it with fire. I made my points at the last CFD. Have a nice day! Kyaa the Catlord 22:00, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Delete - WP:OC and WP:NEO are applicable.Baka man 01:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:List of Royal Military College of Canada people

Rename to Category:Royal Military College of Canada people, convention of Category:People by university in Canada. -- Prove It 18:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Rename In Misplaced Pages parlance categories and lists are two different systems. Abberley2 20:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:CCM Songs

Merge into Category:Christian songs, or Rename to Category:Contemporary Christian songs. -- Prove It 17:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Films based on Marvel comics

Propose renaming Category:Films based on Marvel comics to Category:Films based on Marvel Comics

Nominator's Rationale: Speedy Rename, Proper name is "Marvel Comics". ~Zythe 17:20, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Oppose The proposed name is ungrammatical. One could make a case for Category:Films based on Marvel Comics comics, but it is probably better to leave it where it is. Abberley2 20:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Animation based on Marvel Comics

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Empty. Crosses over with both Category:Television programs based on Marvel Comics and Category:Films based on Marvel comics. Duplicate of Category:Marvel Comics animation. ~Zythe 17:18, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Delete per nom. — coel acan — 18:02, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Jewish figure skaters

Overcategorization. Covered under Jewish sportspeople. No reason to have seperate category. Why seperate figure skaters by religion? (Edited to add: I know LGBT figure skaters exists as a category. However, due to the overwhelming stereotype of all figure skaters as gay, I think that category is useful to categorize the skaters who have actually come out of the closet. However, I have never seen a stereotype of all figure skaters as , so seperating by religion makes no sense. Should we categorize Michael Weiss under Methodist figure skaters?) Kolindigo 16:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Delete. Sportspeople by religion was long ago blocked and salted. My opinion is that Sportspeople by ethnicity should also be blocked and salted. See my previous nomination for Boxers by ethicity. -- Prove It 17:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Delete, there is no "Jewish way to figure skate". — coel acan — 18:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Delete There's no Jewish team at the Winter Olympics. Abberley2 20:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Delete per WP:OC#Non-notable_intersections_by_ethnicity.2C_religion.2C_or_sexual_preference.

Category:Japanese private universities

Propose renaming Category:Japanese private universities to Category:Private universities in Japan

Nominator's Rationale: Rename, to the usual Misplaced Pages style, as in Category:Universities and colleges in Japan. Oliver Han 16:25, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Psi Upsilon brothers

Delete as non-defining per numerous precedents. No-one has an article because he belongs to a college fraternity. Haddiscoe 15:59, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Delete, agreed, non-defining. — coel acan — 18:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Delete per nom. Abberley2 20:09, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Delete as non-defining per many, many precedents. Doczilla 00:48, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Afrikaans authors

Rename to Category:Afrikaans-language writers, convention of Category:Writers by language. -- Prove It 15:29, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Rename per nom. Haddiscoe 16:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Yep. — coel acan — 22:23, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:International accountancy firms

Delete - many of the accountancy firms are global and are in several countries. In addition, this is way over categorized. All that is required is one category Category:Accountancy firms as it was before. EnviroGranny 13:59, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Accountancy firms by country

Delete - This is way over categorized. All that is required is one category Category:Accountancy firms as it was before. EnviroGranny 13:59, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Delete These categories are not being used accurately, ie to categorise the firms by the countries where they are based, and if they were, some of the subcategories would be empty. Grouping accountancy firms by their HQ country is not inappropriate, but this set of categories is such a botch-job that is will be better to delete them all for now. Haddiscoe 16:02, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Rock musical groups

Propose renaming:

Nominator's rationale: convention of Category:Rock music groups by nationality. Xtifr _tälk 13:39, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Nominator's irrelevant side-note: I had listed these at speedy, but then I realized they didn't meet the criterion I thought they did. I'm in no particular hurry, so I've voluntarily moved them to CfD. Xtifr _tälk 13:39, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Comprehensive schools

Propose renaming Category:Comprehensive schools to Category:Comprehensive schools in the United Kingdom

Nominator's Rationale: Rename, This is currently a United Kingdom category and needs to be renamed to reflect that. This move will allow the creation (as required) of Comp School cats in other countries and perhaps a new Category:Comprehensive Schools by country supercat. Frelke 12:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Comment Does any other country use the term "comprehensive school"? Abberley2 20:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
- I know Ireland does. Not sure about others. Frelke 22:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:American murdered children

Propose renaming Category:American murdered children to Category:Murdered American children

Nominator's Rationale: Rename for clarity, following the recent decision not to delete. This category is not delimited to children who were murdered by American people (through most of them were), and it has nothing to do with killings by the American government.Annandale 11:54, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Support per nom Johnbod 14:00, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Rename per nom to match the other subcategories of Category:Murdered children. Category:Canadian murdered children also needs to change. Hmains 19:05, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Bigamists

Category:American bigamists (2 entries)
Category:Austrian bigamists (empty; legally incorrect addition)
Category:British bigamists (2 out of 3 are historical)
Category:Canadian bigamists (1 entry)
Category:English bigamists (1 entry)
Category:Italian bigamists (1 entry)

Umbrella nom for this and all subcats. Pejorative category. Out of the less than 20 articles in the entire cat + subs, only 1 or 2 were actually famous for being bigamists (for religious reasons or in spite of them), and the others were just footnotes in the lives of people who were famous (or notorious) for other things, and thus isn't a very useful category. MSJapan 04:26, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Delete As most of the articles linked would be involving original research rather than confirmed fact, contrary to WP:NPOV Netkinetic (t/c/@) 05:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Keep all It is not a "pejorative adjective", it is a legal concept. Haddiscoe 11:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Comment Fair enough, but in most of the cases, no legal action was noted in the article (legal action was mostly on the historical English and British entries). Steven Seagal may have had marriages annulled, but he was never convicted in a court of bigamy. Neither was Isaac Singer, and neither was Alois Hitler, Jr.. Rudolph Valentino was only classified as a bigamist because he didn't wait long enough on his divorce papers. In short, many of the category entries don't fit the legal definition of the term. If they did, I'd see no problem with the cat. MSJapan 19:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Speedy keep per previous discussion of less than one month ago. See Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 March 18. Annandale 11:55, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Delete - I saw the problems described above (mainly the loose use of the term "bigamist") when I first nominated the category tree for deletion. An anonymous user also recently contacted me to ask about how to clean up the categories; I could only recommend deletion. Also note that the previous discussion reached no consensus, which means that further discussion is apropriate at this time. Dr. Submillimeter 15:05, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
- Only one other user supported your previous nomination, so it should have been closed as a straight keep decision. The implication of your assertion is that whereas decisions to delete are final, failed deletion attempts are merely a temporary inconvenience to an ongoing attempt to get a deletion. That approach would skew the process away from acting on community consensus on a case by case basis, towards an objective of maximising the number of deletions as an end in itself. Haddiscoe 16:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Comment: possibly these categpories may be preserved by limiting them to historical persons. Back in time being discovered as a bigamist may have redefine one's life. Pavel Vozenilek 19:14, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Keep Bigamy is a crime, a defining characteristic, and easy to define. Wrt to Pavel's point, there has been no legal or societal change towards acceptance of bigamy, it is just as significant as it ever was. Abberley2 20:06, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Royal Navy First Sea Lords

Propose renaming Category:Royal Navy First Sea Lords to Category:First Sea Lords

Nominator's Rationale: Rename, "First Sea Lord" is an office unique to the Royal Navy. Therefore, the "Royal Navy" part of the category name is redundant. Choess 02:12, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Rename per nom. Haddiscoe 11:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Rename per nom (note: I am original creator of category) LordHarris 17:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Rare bibles

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The result of the debate was speedy delete by Natalie Erin as recreation of deleted content. — coel acan — 22:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

First, please see Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 March 24#Famous and Rare bibles. This seems like recreation of deleted material. It was created a day after the discussion closed. The previously deleted cat was Category:Rare special bibles. Removing the word 'special' was not part of the consensus reached at the previous CfD. Besides, there is only a single article in this category. Andrew c 00:24, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Delete per Andrew c - well spotted! I still think an "Early printed Bibles" is the way to go here. Johnbod 01:59, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Speedy delete, WP:CSD#G4, so tagged. — coel acan — 08:45, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Speedy delete and salt recreation. Doczilla 21:52, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

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Category:School principals

Merge into Category:School principals and headteachers, duplicate. -- Prove It 00:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, that merge works. — coel acan — 08:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Merge and keep as a redirect. Haddiscoe 11:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

A redirect is probably a good idea. This is one I would expect to keep returning otherwise. — coel acan — 22:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)