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	:Show me one scholarly article from the time that mentions a "Russian Azerbaijan"...Russian Azerbaijan was not a term used then. And I fail to understand how Russian Azerbaijan identifies a "part" of Azerbaijan which was under Russian rule, the Russians never even conquered any of Azerbaijan, they simply conquered the land up to the Aras river...No where on any of the Russian Iranian treaties did it say that Russian takes any part of Azerbaijan, what are you talking about? What are you talking about?] 23:34, 26 April 2007 (UTC)		:Show me one scholarly article from the time that mentions a "Russian Azerbaijan"...Russian Azerbaijan was not a term used then. And I fail to understand how Russian Azerbaijan identifies a "part" of Azerbaijan which was under Russian rule, the Russians never even conquered any of Azerbaijan, they simply conquered the land up to the Aras river...No where on any of the Russian Iranian treaties did it say that Russian takes any part of Azerbaijan, what are you talking about? What are you talking about?] 23:34, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

			::Cool down. First, I told that a term "Russian Azerbaijan" can be used in academic articles like Wiki in scholarly term. This is exactly how T.Swietochowski uses it - check his book "Russian Azerbaijan, 1905–1920. The Shaping of a National Identity in a Muslim Community. Сambridge: Сambridge University Press, 1985" As far as historic meaning, Russians called today's Azerbaijanis "Azerbaijanskiye tatari" (Azerbaijani Tatars). Some Russian writers (for example Velichko) even used term Azerbaijanis and Azerbaijan - check this В.Л.Величко. Кавказ. Русское дело и междуплеменные вопросы. Публицистические сочинения. Том 1, СПб, 1904. - page 154. He wrote "Aзербайджанцев называют татарами, но это совершенно неточно, если относить притом татар к монгольскому племени... Азербайджан дал Персии одну из величайших ее династий, во время владычества которой расцвели в этой державе науки, искусства, земледелие и ратное дело..." - translation: "Azerbaijanis are called 'Tatars' but it is absolutely wrong, if we associate Tatars with Mongol tribes... Azerbaijan gave Persia one of the greatest dynasties during reign of which science, arts, agriculture and military affairs florished... So, these terms used In Russian Empire --] 13:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

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Dacy, maybe we can move this page to Mammed Said Ordubadi? Ateshi - Baghavan 18:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I moved the page. Ateshi - Baghavan 19:28, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I made some minor fixes, also South Caucasus is not the same as Azerbaijan. Grandmaster 16:31, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

A) There was no "Russian Azerbaijan" until the USSR occupied the ADR. B) There was no Azerbaijan in the Caucasus at all in this time period...What are you and Elsanaturk trying to pull?Azerbaijani 23:52, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

You better check scholarly articles and books, for example Swietochowski. Here we use a term 'Russian Azerbaijan' not necessary in historic sense but in academic to identify a part of Azerbaijan which was under Russian rule.--Dacy69 13:54, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Show me one scholarly article from the time that mentions a "Russian Azerbaijan"...Russian Azerbaijan was not a term used then. And I fail to understand how Russian Azerbaijan identifies a "part" of Azerbaijan which was under Russian rule, the Russians never even conquered any of Azerbaijan, they simply conquered the land up to the Aras river...No where on any of the Russian Iranian treaties did it say that Russian takes any part of Azerbaijan, what are you talking about? What are you talking about?Azerbaijani 23:34, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Cool down. First, I told that a term "Russian Azerbaijan" can be used in academic articles like Wiki in scholarly term. This is exactly how T.Swietochowski uses it - check his book "Russian Azerbaijan, 1905–1920. The Shaping of a National Identity in a Muslim Community. Сambridge: Сambridge University Press, 1985" As far as historic meaning, Russians called today's Azerbaijanis "Azerbaijanskiye tatari" (Azerbaijani Tatars). Some Russian writers (for example Velichko) even used term Azerbaijanis and Azerbaijan - check this В.Л.Величко. Кавказ. Русское дело и междуплеменные вопросы. Публицистические сочинения. Том 1, СПб, 1904. - page 154. He wrote "Aзербайджанцев называют татарами, но это совершенно неточно, если относить притом татар к монгольскому племени... Азербайджан дал Персии одну из величайших ее династий, во время владычества которой расцвели в этой державе науки, искусства, земледелие и ратное дело..." - translation: "Azerbaijanis are called 'Tatars' but it is absolutely wrong, if we associate Tatars with Mongol tribes... Azerbaijan gave Persia one of the greatest dynasties during reign of which science, arts, agriculture and military affairs florished... So, these terms used In Russian Empire --Dacy69 13:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

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