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Lawrence Eliezer Kepecs

Non-notable individual/vanity. A cantor who also does art, and once had a tiny article printed about him in a minor weekly. Oh, and like a million other people, he met the Pope. Someone close to Kepecs has kept trying to insert this, and related material, into all sorts of articles. The Google test gets 4 hits for Lawrence Eliezer Kepecs, all from Misplaced Pages mirrors, and 4 more hits for "Lawrence Kepecs", 2 discussion board entries he apparently made in 1998, and two others apparently not related to his individual. Jayjg 20:37, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. Jayjg 20:37, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Only the notable (or pokemon-related) can get an article. --Mrfixter 20:48, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. The image of Kepecs with JPII is in several articles where it hardly or barely seems relevant, as in the article Relations of Pope John Paul II with the Jewish People which needs some dekepecsification (and perhaps a move to a better title, like Pope John Paul II and the Jews). If Gary Krupp (in the background) is notable enough to stay on Misplaced Pages, I suppose one could cut away Kepecs and the Pope from the image to get a portrait of him. Tupsharru 23:35, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

• I looked at Gary Krupp as well, and he does appear to be at least marginally notable. Kepecs, though, is a different story. Jayjg 16:21, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
• This is a point that needs to be taken up on Talk:Relations of Pope John Paul II with the Jewish People (and I agree with you...). Tomer 09:07, May 5, 2005 (UTC)

• Delete, not notable. Megan1967 02:56, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
• Hey, where are the WP:MUSIC literalists to say performing internationally as a tenor may be criteria 2? Unenthusiastic delete, but Talk:Lawrence Eliezer Kepecs is interesting; keep it for reference for Hazzan, etc. Samaritan 04:49, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Concur with User:Samaritan on merge of talk page. Significant work has gone into trying to fix this article up to Misplaced Pages standards, which is admirable, but until Page 13 of the Oxford English/Hebrew-Hebrew/English dictionary, ©1998 ed. 4 has an entry, this guy is insufficiently noteworthy to warrant an independent article. I'm not opposed to the inclusion of his name in the caption of the pic of him giving the pope a mezuza, eventhough I think the gesture is unspeakably bizarre, but just because he's named in the Misplaced Pages doesn't mean he deserves a (badly written, incredibly POV) biographical article. Tomer 09:06, May 5, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Do not concur. Kepecs is a well known personality in the cantorial world. The fact that he was chosen by the Vatican to be one of thirteen cantors to sing for the Pope and presented him with one of his art works is an important point. This was the last group to meet Pope John Paul II (urged by the Pope himself I might add.) and made history. Kepecs' art I am told (currently doing research on it) has sold for as much as $65,000, and I believe he's got an album or two out on liturgical music. He is very interesting. Keep it for future reference.-User:Merlinzor May 5, 2005

• Note: creator of the article.Jayjg 16:17, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. Kepecs is a noteworthy Reverend Cantor - and the title is correct. He has an exceptional tenor voice quality, similar to Luciano Pavarotti. I heard him at a concert in Canada, and he wowed the audience with his spectacular delivery, and mastery of Cantorial music and italian opera. In my opinion, nobody even came close to his delivery. Mark my word. You will see great things from this guy, give the researchers a chance. The fact that Kepecs sang for and gave the Pope a mezuzah has appeared in numerous newspapers, including The Jewish Star, The Nassau Herald, and I think the front page of the New York Times had an article on it as it was happening in Rome in January. His concert in Rome was televised throughout Italy. If you wish I will dig up what I can find.-User:Rabbis May 5, 2005

• Above User:Rabbis' first and so far only contributions are to this VfD page. Samaritan 15:33, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. I THINK THAT THE ARTICLES ABOUT L.E.KEPECS SHOULD STAY, BECAUSE HE DESIGNED A SPECIAL AND ORIGINAL MEZUZAH, ONE OF A KIND, FOR POPE JOHN PAUL. THE POPE ACKNOWLEDGED AND THANKED CANTOR KEPECS FOR HIS GIFT IN A LETTER. CANTOR KEPECS TRIP TO THE VATICAN TOGETHER WITH THE OTHER CANTORS AND RABBIS WAS THE FIRST ONE EVER IN HISTORY AND THE FIRST EVER GIVEN AUDIENCE BY A SITTING POPE TO JEWISH CLERGY. THIS WAS A HISTORICAL MOMENT AND A LOT WAS ACCOMPLISHED. THIS WAS AN HISTORICAL EVENT THAT HISTORY WILL REMEMBER FOREVER. -User:MISSTY MAY 5,2005

• Above is an anon vote from User:205.188.116.73, contributions. No registered user MISSTY or Missty has made any contributions to Misplaced Pages. Samaritan 15:33, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
• There is nothing whatsoever in this disjointed rambling diatribe that makes a coherent argument for the enclopedæicity of the article in question. The fact that the "Keep" votes all seem to be User:Merlinzor or sockpuppets is rather revealing that this entire thing is the result of possibly only a single user's unnoteworthy and eccentric POV. The pope and/or the pope's office distribute tens, even hundreds of letters every single day. Getting a letter from the pope does not make a person worthy of an article in wikipedia. The claim that this is the first ever audience given by a sitting pope to members of the "Jewish clergy" is patently false. That notwithstanding, even if it was a historical moment (which remains to be seen) and a lot was accomplished (which is doubtful) and that the event will be remembered forever (is that a prophecy?), that information is relevant to Jewish-Christian relations, and does not make any difference with respect to whether or not this guy is notable, nor whether or not this article is encyclopedia material or ever can be. Tomer 15:42, May 5, 2005 (UTC)

• You are supposed to be a source of information, not present biased viewpoints, as I have read some of your various unintelligent comments regarding Rabbis and Cantors. You should not render decisions of elimination based on assumptions as to who is commenting, or if the article doesn't "do it for you" and my rendering is that it is apparent to me that you don't know Rabbis nor Cantors. I am an ordained Rabbi. Misplaced Pages is free for all to share the information. I am a user of Misplaced Pages, as I've done much research with Wkipedia, and I find this article about Kepecs beneficial, as do my colleages. I care what happens to this article. The event with the Pope was an event that happened whether you like it or not and an important one at that. It wasn't just "members of the Jewish clergy". It was 141 Jewish clergymen - unprecedented in history, and the Pope's final meeting. What does it hurt you to keep the article? Why should it bother you sooo much? There are a lot of people who DO care about keeping it. -User:Rabbis May 5, 2005