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| **I do not think these three are real sockpuppets. I find it likely that they are ]. It is possible that they coordinate their activities off-line. It is possible that they contribute from the same network, possible from free ]s in Tartu. (Estonia has many of these, see ). -- ] 14:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC) | **I do not think these three are real sockpuppets. I find it likely that they are ]. It is possible that they coordinate their activities off-line. It is possible that they contribute from the same network, possible from free ]s in Tartu. (Estonia has many of these, see ). -- ] 14:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC) | ||
| ***I've ran this again more intensively. {{confirmed}} '''3 Löwi = Klamber = DLX'''. The others are on the same ISP, but its records only give the location of the ISP's office itself, which is useless when checking specific IPs. Checks of other evidence (which per ] I can't get into) ''suggest'' that the others are at different places. Given that, it is best to consider the others as {{possible}} at best. They may be "meatpuppets", but editing patterns will best determine that. ''']''' 15:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC) | ***I've ran this again more intensively. {{confirmed}} '''3 Löwi = Klamber = DLX'''. The others are on the same ISP, but its records only give the location of the ISP's office itself, which is useless when checking specific IPs. Checks of other evidence (which per ] I can't get into) ''suggest'' that the others are at different places. Given that, it is best to consider the others as {{possible}} at best. They may be "meatpuppets", but editing patterns will best determine that. ''']''' 15:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC) | ||
| :::Please back your accusations with '''something'''. I have no idea what others do, but I know that I have not discussed anything with any others outside WP - and even here we have kept our discussions strictly in English. There is no need to "coordinate" anything, especially in cases such as ], where it is obvious that article is bad, unsourced and offtopic. ] 15:07, 29 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::P.S. I have also finished ], been successful at the Estonia student "olympics" and run web server with my own registered domain. ] 15:07, 29 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Digwuren
| request links: main • edit • links • history • watch • talk Filed: 17:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC) |
- Digwuren (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Alexia Death (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Erik Jesse (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- 3 Löwi (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Klamber (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- D:
All these users seem to be somehow related to the University of Tartu. They have co-operated in AfD discussions and revert wars. User:Digwuren has systematically reverted all my Estonia related edits for the past three weeks, often in only two minutes. He has received help in avoiding the 3RR from User:Alexia Death, User:3 Löwi and User:Klamber.
User:Digwuren and User:Alexia Death correspond to distinct Internet personalities. They however seem to be coordinating their edits off-line, and possibly editing from the same IP-address. If they are not sockpuppets, they are most likely meatpuppets. They only started editing after the Bronze Soldier of Tallinn controversy and seem to be single-purpouse accounts. Their intent seems to rewrite the History of Estonia, deleting points-of-view that they consider "Soviet occupation denialism" or otherwise symphathetic to Russians in Estonia. -- Petri Krohn 17:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Confirmed. Alexia Death = Erik Jesse = 3 Löwi = Klamber. 
Possible that this is Digwuren too. Voice-of-All 05:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Modifyied after double checking (scroll down). Voice-of-All 15:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- As a participant I demand to know what are the grounds to this claim, as it is clearly INCORRECT.--Alexia Death 06:14, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- P.S : Ive notified users 3 Löwi and Klamber of this result, I fail to contact Erik Jesse because I have opted not to send and recive mail trough wikipedia.--Alexia Death 06:28, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- P.S.S: Ive posted from two IP-s, one ending in .111, thats my home, and the other ending in .202, thats what Im posting from now, at work. Its a big place so I cant be 100% sure theres not another poster within same walls but I SERIOUSLY doubt it.--Alexia Death 06:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- P.S : Ive notified users 3 Löwi and Klamber of this result, I fail to contact Erik Jesse because I have opted not to send and recive mail trough wikipedia.--Alexia Death 06:28, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Perhaps, there are some fundamental flaws in the checkuser mechanism for the context of Estonia. If it, for example, would consider all of Estonia's IP space a "single dynamic pool", or assign undue weight to common web proxies such as cache.ut.ee or cache.elion.ee, it would be bound to think there are at most one, or perhaps two, people in Estonia.
- As an aside, Alexia Death is female. The rest of the list are, AFAIK, all male. (I am not entirely sure of 3 Löwi's gender thus far.)
- I am entirely sure that all of these people are distinct. Digwuren 06:52, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- I read the articles on checkuser, and it seems I considered it more automated than it really was. Apparently, a not inconsiderable amount of operator discretion goes into the decisions. Hence, I join in Alexia Death's demands to know what the evidence was and how it was interpreted.
- If I'm suspected as the puppeteer, does it mean I am allowed to make this demand on behalf of Erik Jesse, 3 Löwi and Klamber, too? :-) Digwuren 07:02, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- I have presented a request to David Gerard and Raul654 to review this checkuser. Digwuren 08:26, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- I am second Digwuren's request to double-check the checkuser report. A number of people have expressed doubt in it Alex Bakharev 13:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- I also ask for a double-check. However I also ask that DLX (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) be included. He was earlier checked against Digwuren but was not confermed. (See: Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/DLX) -- Petri Krohn 14:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- I can vouch for 3 Löwi who I have observed editing since July 2005, so it is absurd that he is a sock puppet of Alexia Death who has been here since May 2007. Also Erik Jesse hasn't been as involved to any degree compared with the other's, so I am surprised he is caught up in this. A check of their respective logs will confirm this Martintg 12:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- I fell uncomfortable in revealing users personal details; this is starting to be cyberstalking. Besides, there is nothing wrong in asking your friends to contribute to Misplaced Pages.
- This is what I believe:
- User:Digwuren, User:Alexia Death and User:Erik Jesse are real people. They are all current or former students of the University of Tartu, and all still live in in Tartu.
- Two of them have been succesfull at the Estonia student "olympics".
- Two of them started studies around 1998.
- One of them majored in information technology, another is also an expert in this field.
- Digwuren and Alexia correspond to real internet persona. They both run web servers on their own registered domains. Their real names are listed in the whois data.
- User:Digwuren, User:Alexia Death and User:Erik Jesse are real people. They are all current or former students of the University of Tartu, and all still live in in Tartu.
- I do not think these three are real sockpuppets. I find it likely that they are meatpuppets. It is possible that they coordinate their activities off-line. It is possible that they contribute from the same network, possible from free WLAN access points in Tartu. (Estonia has many of these, see wifi.ee). -- Petri Krohn 14:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- I've ran this again more intensively. Confirmed 3 Löwi = Klamber = DLX. The others are on the same ISP, but its records only give the location of the ISP's office itself, which is useless when checking specific IPs. Checks of other evidence (which per WP:BEANS I can't get into) suggest that the others are at different places. Given that, it is best to consider the others as Possible at best. They may be "meatpuppets", but editing patterns will best determine that. Voice-of-All 15:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- I've ran this again more intensively.
- This is what I believe:
- Please back your accusations with something. I have no idea what others do, but I know that I have not discussed anything with any others outside WP - and even here we have kept our discussions strictly in English. There is no need to "coordinate" anything, especially in cases such as Estland, where it is obvious that article is bad, unsourced and offtopic. DLX 15:07, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- P.S. I have also finished University of Tartu, been successful at the Estonia student "olympics" and run web server with my own registered domain. DLX 15:07, 29 May 2007 (UTC)