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News media photos

Jimbo, there are currently two deletion review discussions taking place pertaining to news media photos that were being used under a claim of fair use. The first, Misplaced Pages:Deletion_review/Log/2007_May_30#Image:Cogny_Castries_Navarre.jpg, while inappropriate, but rather benign as far as legal liability, is a photo taken during the Vietnam war. The second, Misplaced Pages:Deletion_review/Log/2007_May_29#Image:Tsvangirai-beaten.jpg, is an AP photo from only a few years ago. In neither case is the photo iconic - they merely happen to depict an event relevant to the topic.

It is my view (IANAL) that, except for iconic photos like Iwa Jima, the Kent State shootings, etc, using news media photos without permission and without paying royalties constitutes a serious copyright violation that can get us into a lot of trouble and that no consensus can change this legal reality.

Would it be possible to have either a formal legal opinion from the Foundation or even an informal statement from you regarding the use of news media photos? If I am wrong, I would like to know that, and if I am right, it would be appreciated if someone in a position to say so could intervene in this issue. Thank you. --BigDT 23:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to know the answer too. FYI, photos as iconic as Iwo Flag Raising have been deleted for copyright. For example, Robert Jackson's photo of Ruby shooting Oswald, which won a Pulizter just like the Iwo photo, has been repeatedly deleted from Oswald and Ruby articles, and JFK articles. The irony of this is great, inasmuch as the print quality used to ADVERTISE it on the net (for example at Amazon: ) would be quite good enough to use, as is, in Misplaced Pages. So where is the loss of revenue to the photographer, when widely available public net advertising level of detail is used? Beats me. But somebody has a bug up their fanny about this photo, and until they die or Misplaced Pages changes their mediation policy, you won't see it here. SBHarris 22:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

You might want to consider that we have an article on the image Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima, but we don't have an article on the shooting photo. --Carnildo 08:09, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

• Presumably we would if we could USE the &%$# thing! There's a fair amount of interesting history on how the Jackson photo was taken, as there is with any Pulitzer work, but there's no point in presenting it without illustration. So you're not going to be reading it here. SBHarris 00:45, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I really wish we could have a "thou shalt not" from the foundation or at least any response here. Even an "I don't care, but thanks for asking" from Jimbo would be better than nothing. The DRVs right now basically consist of "if I close my eyes and hum real loudly, then copyright problems will go away". Nobody questions the use of famous photos (provided that they aren't being used merely for decorative purposes in an article only tangentally related). But if it's just an ordinary photo that nobody who didn't read the newspaper has seen, we can't use it. It doesn't matter how much we want to. It doesn't matter how irreplaceable it is. It would be nice if we could get a formal imprimatur from the foundation saying as much. --BigDT 16:43, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

One of these, by the way, is back on IFD at Misplaced Pages:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2007_June_4#Image:Cogny_Castries_Navarre.jpg. Jimbo or anyone from the Foundation, it would be nice to have a Jimbo ex Machina statement here. If our processes are incapable of screening out obvious copyvios, then some kind of outside intervention is necessary. --BigDT 06:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd like Misplaced Pages join to this campaign

Hello, Mr. Wales:

Maybe I'm making a mistake but I think that Misplaced Pages must join to the campaign to free Emmanuel.

Emmanuel is the son of Clara Rojas, partner of Íngrid Betancourt, who were kidnapped by FARC in 2002. In captivity Mrs. Rojas got pregnant and gave birth a baby named Emmanuel. Since that day Mrs. Rojas and her baby are in somewhere in Colombia's jungle suffering a lot of pain.

¡This baby was born without freedom and must be freed together with his mom!

I propose Misplaced Pages to join to the worldwide campaign for the unconditioned releasing of Mrs. Rojas and her son, Emmanuel who, as I said above, are kidnapped by FARC in inhuman conditions in the jungle.

The world must know now who really are the FARC. They are not freedom fighters, they're only lawless, Godless and heartless criminals.

Sincerely:

--S.V.B.E.E.V. 16:06, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

You seem to be misconstruing the nature and purpose of Misplaced Pages if you think it's proper for it, as a site and organization, to "join" causes of any sort, no matter how noble and right they are. *Dan T.* 12:28, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Now this is quite a problem if WP doesn't join it will not be for the UN declaration of human rights wich also gives us the freedom of speech and a whole lot of rights, but if WP joins it will clearly break the WP neutrality policy. But I also think that FARC is just trying to get to power the easy way. Peacekeeper II 08:31, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages debe unirse a la campaña por la liberación del pequeño Emmanuel quien nació en cautiverio. Su madre, Clara Rojas, fue secuestrada junto a Íngrid Betancourt. Rojas tuvo un niño en cautiverio llamado Emmanuel estando secuestrada por las FARC y, por ende, ese nené nació sin libertad.

Propongo que Misplaced Pages se una a la campaña por la liberación unilateral y sin condiciones de Emmanuel y de Clara Rojas, su mamá, quienes están como rehenes de las FARC.

¡Libertad para Emmanuel y Clara Rojas! Que la humanidad sepa quiénes son, de una vez por todas, realmente las FARC.

Gracias.

--S.V.B.E.E.V. 16:06, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that it is any body elses business. It is addressed to Mr Wales, so why do other users think they have the right to comment on something they know absolutely nothing about!

About WP:NOT

Hi, Mr, Wales I am one of the proud user here on wikipedia. And I am writing to you because I don't know who to turn to.

I am recently warned by another user about violation of WP:NOT#PUBLISHER and he threaten to have me blocked for that violation. What I did is just to update sport score a few minute before a game actually end. Now, is that violate the rule he point out. Since I feel I didn't violate the rule, and I am trying to maintain wikipedia, I try to reason with him about this. But he insist that I break the rule and threaten admin intervention. Now, as far as I know, WP:IAR states that rules should be ignore, if it is for the improvement of wikipedia. So according to this rule, what I did is not wrong. I await your opinion in this matter. and thanks for your time. Chris 19:18, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi, it is me again. I just want to tell you one more thing. User:Ksy92003 talks to an admin named User:Wizardman. I don't know if he is going block me for what I did because it seems to me he pretty much agree with him. All I want to say is that I know u are busy. When you see this message, please look into this matter because I am innocent and his action against me is wrong. I have been making some good edits here and I don't want to lose that because of a small problem. Thanks again. I want to talk to you especially because I feel like all the other dispute resolving methods won't work if he got an admin working his way. Chris 22:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to brother you. This issue is now temporarily resolved. Chris 00:04, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Autograph

Can I have your Autograph?
—Remember, the Edit will be with you, always. (Sethdoe92) 23:04, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

nice grey beard patch ya got there jimmy --AnYoNe! 10:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

It would be nice

It would be really nice if admins and editors currently involved in this ongoing dispute about WP:BLP and how to apply those policies, what to speedy delete, etc, would actually discuss policy first and agree to some better laid out rules, instead of deleting first and then getting into arguments about the deletions and policies after. I have not paid much attention to this dispute and I am completely neutral about it. But I feel that good faith editing is being speedily deleted as careless casualties of this dispute, when AfDs may have been more appropriate, or at least a "prod" tag. Some articles probably deseved speedy deletions, but I think we've reached a point in this dispute where admins are speedily deleting too hastily because they need to advance their side of the dispute. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

True I accept. There is a new admin ^demon, who has been on a deleting spree of fair use images using bots. There is no warning, no discussions, no deadlines for proving points. I strongly believe that the admin is at fault, however information is lost and is difficult to restore, lots of procedures. It would be great if the policy is made in such a way that atleast 1 day is given in notice before it is deleted. Just want Misplaced Pages to be a reliable place. Saravana Kumar K 13:23, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I am more concerned about good faith and sourced editing being deleted without warning. I understand the importance of WP:BLP, but many of these articles that are being used as battlegrounds for this BLP dispute are not hoaxes and attack pages. What has happened is that articles are being speedily deleted and then listed for WP:DRV, with people voting to "keep deleted" because they think there's a lack of notability or because they think it's unencyclopedic, essentially creating a sort of AfD where we need to reach consensus to keep instead of consensus to delete. Realistically, these reasons such as notability should be cited at an AfD instead of at a DRV of a speedily deleted article. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 15:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages's intent confuses me

I have had articles about quite noteable persons erased, and have been accused of vandalism when what I added was truth, backed by references. I have been blocked for unknown reasons. Misplaced Pages seems not to be what you, yourself, intended at this point. There does seem to be an in-crowd who exert control; perhaps, without your knowledge, they are hired and paid by corporations to oversee certain sites. Indeed, I have found Misplaced Pages to be an unfriendly, contentious place for us newcomers. This, I suspect, is not what you want it to be. Alfred Legrand 22:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Mistakes happen, please indicate what articles you are talking about so that we can check those accusations. But please refrain from making personal attacks on other editors. This is a voluntary job, just like for all editors, and admins don't get paid for it. As a newcomer who has been around since at least september 2006, youy should by now know that articles need WP:RS reliable sources, so not things like Urban Dictionary, which you used in Mansiere. It is this kind of bad or absent sourcing that usually gets articles deleted, not payment by any corporations (why would any vorporation want the article on Mansiere to be deleted?). Fram 08:57, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

When is his birthdate?

I wanna know! His Misplaced Pages page only says "1966" with no month or day.... Viper2k6 05:36, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

It's a long story. Don't ask. -- Phoeba Wright 05:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll spill the WP:BEANS. :) Jimbo says he was born on day X, but his written records say he was born on day X + 1. After a WP:LAME dispute between Jimbo and others, everyone decided to drop the issue. I read this at Wikitruth.info. 69.201.182.76 22:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

…which is not usually very accurate from what I've read on it. —  $PЯINGrαgђ  22:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

They're right about the things that matter though. --MichaelLinnear 00:56, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

ArbCom pro censorship ruling

http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Tobias_Conradi/2007-05_ArbCom_pro_censorship_ruling

Today I read about Amnesty International and anti censorship. I saw Misplaced Pages and you mentioned there. I would like to make you aware of the fact that Misplaced Pages ArbCom is activly supporting censorship.

So it seems like double speak what you and your ArbCom do. I will try to take this to AI and to TI.

Tobias Conradi (Talk) 13:09, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

What is a kook? ShivaIdol 22:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:CIVIL. Corvus cornix 23:58, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know which of the kook definitions would apply to Jimbo. Maybe you can be more precise? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 20:06, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I think he was referring to you, Tobias. However I feel it was an inappropriate reference. You tend to engage in tendentious editing, not clean up after messes you have made, your discourse style is abrasive at best, and your dispute resolution methods are ineffective and disruptive, but none of those things are a reason to label you with invective like "kook", and it's not likely to help you return to calm, reasonable and productive contributing. ++Lar: t/c 18:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Which of my contributions do you consider "mess"? BTW, aren't you violating WP:CIVIL? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 15:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

This is not the proper place for dispute resolution, it is merely the talk page of a user. A very special user, but a user nonetheless. But one example of you not cleaning up your messes, as cited in the ArbCom case, would be here: ... another example would be the case's finding #9, (which included "His position was apparently that it was the responsibility of other editors to "fix" the page title") which passed 6-0, and yet another example would be your going around to all the arbitrators disputing the outcome of your case. You need to take what Charles Matthews said here to heart. As for the second part, if you think I've been incivil to you by characterising your actions in accordance with general consensus about them, without attacking you personally, just expressing dismay at your approach, you should raise the issue on the administrator's noticeboard and see what the community thinks. Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 00:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

User:TTN

A lot of people and I have problems concerning user User:TTN. We all need your help. He is callously deleting articles (escpecially episode articles) with little warning, and he is alienatng thousands upon thousands of Wikipedians. He and his supporters claim they're doing the right thing, but the other Wikipedians, including myself, say othewise. Angie Y. 20:42, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Could you please be more specific? I checked his contribution log and I didn't find anything recent that would warrant Jimbo's attention. 69.201.182.76 22:04, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, diect him him to here and here. That should explain everything. I am SICK of TTN and his/her followers. Everyone I have ran into is freakin' sick of this--whoever. TTN doesn't even add anything to his/her userpage and is very stuck-up and arrogant! Angie Y. 22:55, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Please discuss this matter here http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Mass_deletion_of_television_articles_by_TTN --164.107.222.23 23:57, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Heads up!

I have grave concerns about how this decision will affect wikipedias public image. Hypnosadist 23:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

• Image:LoliWikipetan.jpg
• Image:LoliWikipetan2.jpg

Well it appears that the above images are ok then. Hypnosadist 04:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

This topic has now been edited several times by at least two other editors, could someone please leave there opinion on if they think wikipedia's mascot should be depicted in this way.Hypnosadist 21:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

They are now redlinked, could some-one please say something about this. Hypnosadist 18:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Jimbo did. 03:49, June 8, 2007 Jimbo Wales (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:LoliWikipetan.jpg" (pedophilic sexualization of a community mascot? No. - email me if you have questions) More here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales --AnonEMouse 19:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Jimbo! Hypnosadist 20:09, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

		The Outlaw Halo Award
		This Outlaw Halo is hereby presented to Jimbo Wales in recognition of taking bold action to protect the 'pedia. Thank you for not allowing Wikipe-tan to be pimped. - Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 02:02, 10 June 2007 (UTC) (about the award)

Does anyone...

Does anyone know how I can add the "" back on my page? I lost it when I reformatted my user page. And where can I find different pics for my navbar? Thanks, guys! Gdk411 02:39, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I have fixed it. You had __NOEDITSECTION__ in User:Gdk411/Navbar. Having that in there causes pages that transclude that template to not have section edit links. --BigDT 03:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Smile

GreaterWikiholic has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

hey

hello how are u? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.33.129.133 (talk • contribs)

A question about Primetime

My first message here ...

I was wondering, as a lowly common user--how would we go about getting Primetime banned by the Foundation? Perusing his history, I would think that if you've been banned for copyvios and have been proven to have engaged in harassment and you haven't been banned Wikimedia-wide, you'd better be. That's assuming the Foundation hasn't banned him already.--Blueboy96 19:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Another Smile For Jimbo!

Samir Patel has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Samir Patel 02:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

About Turkish Misplaced Pages

Hi Jimbo. First I want to tell sorry for my bad english and this long letter. I am very simple user from Turkish wikipedia for nearly 9 months. During my first 6 months i didn’t join any serious discussion even elections. My aim was just spend my time for better and inform my people about soviet culture. Because i started to live in Ukraine from that time. Everything begun when i saw one user etrusk who has 30.400 edits and opened more then 20,000 page. 1 was blocked completely. And I decided to join to discussions. A lot of people were against about this decision. Because one night suddenly our bureaucratDbl2010 write a message and told he noticed that he was puppet of one old user who was also blocked mounts ago because of one other reason. And there was no enough proof even any. For me it was just `I did`. I didn’t have any relation with this blocked man but i thought i had right to know more. A lot of people told different things good and bad. I was just defending being fair because this execution punishment is very heavy punishment and there must be real and very strong proofs. For me bureaucrat didn’t show enough proof. I and a lot of people also thought like this. During this time I changed for worse with their manner. One administer told me wikipedia is not experiment of democracy. But i think we must comment on this as we prefer discussion in spite of voting. It doesn’t tell wikipedia is not democratic. What do we have to do if we think something is wrong. And then I received mail from same administer. She told that I hadn’t seem bad man but I had to believe them. I told there can be some doubts but as rule we mustn’t hang someone with feelings. And I requested for chekuser. We have only one active chekuser. She also told same things. She couldn’t find any similarity between their IP addresses, because other user was very old. And I complained this bureaucrat more than 1 moths ago because of blocking someone without enough proof. But still there is no decision about my complaint. During this time around this discussion a lot of people was blocked. They also was thinking and defending that this blocking decision was not right. Some of them also were blocked because of using and being puppet. And with this new blocking also new discussions started. And again a lot of people were blocked. Sometimes we all get angry and lose our control. Turkish wikipedia is out of control I think recently.

Such kind of things can be understood but at least one administer used word of 1 head of military coup "Should we feed them rather than hanging them". I want to explain you also something here; In Turkish language there are two words for "feed" for human and for animal. He changed this sentence and use word which is for animals. And then nothing happened the women who complained this administer was also blocked for one week. Because she told there is oligopedia in Turkish vikipedia. (Oligopedia was derived from words vikipedia and oligarchy). She was very angry also because of another reason. One other administer told before in public page that he really wanted her to leave vikipedia but he cant accuse her very strongly. And one day later i was also blocked because i told "i will tell there is oligopedia in Turkish vikipedia if i see such kind of behavings. Because i want better and better wikipedia." I have been already thinking to leave vikipedia becouse of these behavings. But I want to see the result of my complaint. After my complaint our bureaucrat showed some proves in complainting page. But these proves only started new discussions. One girl told that these two people are realy different. Because she knows them from real life. She was good user and nobody could tell that she had lied. When Dbl2010 was defending himself he also told that he was steward and he has a lot of rights even to change the mean page of meta. Do we have to always believe everything is right which he did because he is steward. Is it normal way to defend himself with telling `I am steward` I also wanted to establish Arbitration Committee. But only one administer was interested in this idea. But suddenly he also gave up. During discussions about how we will establish it, one other administer Noumenon told we are not doing right and we are doing just funny. I could find only one more way. And it is to write you. If you are interested in my problem I will be hope.

Best Regards.
Devrimdpt —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.252.248.189 (talk • contribs) 15:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Could you please take a look at this?

Could you please take a look at this, and give an opinion on the situation? User:H (was User:HighInBC) pissed off (from WP:ANI). It's getting really heated up. Thanks! Nwwaew (Talk Page) (Contribs) (E-mail me) 15:09, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Here.

		The Original Barnstar
		For being Jimbo Wales atomicthumbs 17:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Codelyoko193

This user would like to thank you for creating Misplaced Pages and making it what it is today. Thanks! Codelyoko193 01:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

This is a Codelyoko193 Would Like to Thank You "Barnstar"

Oh, and can you sign here?. Thanks. Codelyoko193 01:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

star

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		thank you for makeing wikipedia you are a star Talktotheland 10:34, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

		What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar
		For you'r idea of wikipedia its the best site in the Cosmos ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 10:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Since evreyone is gieing you barnstars I thourght I would to. ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 10:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

We are not tabloid journalism, we are an encyclopedia.

I have qouted your words that I have found in the Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons page, to mention the following cases. There are a few articles, one at least that has remain a long time in the wikipedia, which I believe should be looked at carefully. The articles are Andrea Yates and Lisa Ann Diaz. I am sure there are many more like them. I seem them as totally tabloid journalism... sensationalist, and even if proven guilty against the privacy right of these people. It is sad that people are murdered and that mothers murder their children but that does not justify their inclusion in the wikipedia. Andrea Yates article has been in existance for almost 4 years. Her birthday has been published. I sometimes feel sad to find all of these articles in the wikipedia, and is frustrating to see that they are maintained... I would ask these editors to set up a tabloiddipedia or something like that and leave wikipedia clean. I am very much in favor of the words Cover the event, not the person. Thanks...--Francisco Valverde 11:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

The two examples you give appear to be polar opposites as regards notability (the defining quality for an encyclopedic entry). Andrea Yates is extremely well sourced and referenced, and the writing an exemplary exercise in WP:NPOV. Lisa Ann Diaz is so poorly written that it could be speedy deleted on that basis. Please do not confuse subject matter (infanticide) with style when accusing articles or editors of "tabloid journalism". In this matter I will PROD the Lisa Ann Diaz article, so it may be improved to a reasonable standard. LessHeard vanU 12:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

But shouldn´t we conver the events... I personally don't see any encyclopedic importance with Andrea Yates. She is not notable, except for the murder event. Why not just talk of the event. Why should her birthday be mentioned. I think it is inappropiate for her biography to be included in an encyclopaedia. --Francisco Valverde 15:37, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, how old she was at the time of the incident, and what generation she was part of, have some importance as cultural context, though the exact birthdate isn't necessary for that. *Dan T.* 16:08, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, she is the person who is investigated/prosecuted/judged/sentenced for the (alleged) crimes, the naming policy for criminal law is generally the accused. This means that most if not all off-Wiki references will be under the mothers name. The alternative would be to name it for the victims... that is a can of worms that I wish to keep a very tight lid on! Calling it the (location) or (date) murders wouldn't be useful since neither the place or day was killed (St. Valentines Day Massacre being the exception that proves the rule). The major point is that WP follows the naming conventions of the original or major source, and in courts of law it is generally (the juristiction ) vs. (the accused), and not adopt its own conventions. Finally, birthdates are given, when known, in all other instances of subjects of BLP articles, and I do not see any particular sensitivity issues for criminals and accused persons. LessHeard vanU 23:05, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

A small problem.

I can't acces your user page because my computer(Mac OS 9) jamms to a Qxz-ad19.gif. Can you do something about it? Peacekeeper II 16:12, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

relevant on-going debate

You may want to be a party to this debate about Angela Beesley's requested deletions from the Misplaced Pages history template. VanTucky 01:17, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

www.sciencedaily.com

hi jimmy, well i was going through this website and when i read the article, there was a link given- read the full article at wikipedia.org. they have copied the leading statements of the article from wikipedia articles. have they taken a prior permission. same goes for answer.com but it has been a good friend of wikipedia, i think so... Sushant gupta (talk · contribs) 08:46, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is licensed under the GFDL, which allows re-use with some conditions (such as attribution). No prior permission is needed. See the copyrights page. --h2g2bob (talk) 09:16, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Donut

Asking for your assistance...

Dear Jimbo Wales,

I, Declan White, ask in your assistance in making the concept of Geothermoelectric Energy known to the public.
The reason I ask for your assistance is due to the fact that you are a very well-heard person, and your intergration into the Misplaced Pages society allows your voice to be heard with seriousness and trust. If you have the time, please take it, to view my page about this technology and what it may be able to do for the planet. As most people are aware, and I asume you are as well, our planet's atmosphere and ecosystem are falling to their doom because of the increase of carbon based particles in our atmosphere, this is known as the Greenhouse Effect.
The theory of this technology allows the temperature difference between the 'hot rock' area of the earth and the atmoshpere to make an electric current using the Thermoelectric Effect.
Please take the time to consider my theory and it's possible benefits for the planet, it's ecosystem and all living things on it.

Sincerely,
Declan White.
DecoDaMan 08:43, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Suicide of Anna Halman controversy

Dear Mr. Wales,

you were one of wikipedians who deleted facts from article Suicide of Anna Halman and "mereged" (in fact deleted) the article. I hope you read relevant sources which are in Polish and Czech language and you are able to understand sources in Slavic languages. Yesterday I stared voting about that article at Czech Misplaced Pages. See cs:Wikipedie:Hlasování o smazání/Anna Halman. There is no doubt. (ponechat = keep, smazat = delete, zdržuji se = abstain, komentáře = comments). Only one user who wants to delete the article wrote as reason that another wikipedian calls him an idiot few weeks ago. I will be glad if you explain us your personal opinion at Czech Misplaced Pages (English language is no problem). Thank you, --Dezidor 10:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Pending Jimbo's own reply, have you see this comment which he made on the matter on June 2? --Tony Sidaway 10:39, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I would like to add that the Czech language version of the Misplaced Pages is one of the most problematic language version. It pays no or almost no attention to many established rules of the Misplaced Pages, such as WP:BLP, WP:NPA, the notion that the Misplaced Pages is governed by the Florida law, not by the law of the Czech republic etc.

IMHO, the reason why 14 users voted against Jimbo's decision is the latent anti-Americanism. For instance, Beren wrote: "I understand that from the American point of view where pupils shoot each other in schools it looks not notable, but in our country it is not so. (Chápu, že z amerického pohledu, kde se žáci ve školách střílí, to vypadá nevýznamně i jako téma, u nás to ale tak není.)" User:Cinik wrote: "Jimbo's intervention is for the Czech Misplaced Pages irrelevant—Jimbo cannot speak Polish nor Czech and the English article has looked much differently than the Czech. (Jimbův zásah je pro českou wikipedii IMHO irelevantní - Jimbo neumí ani polsky ani česky a anglický článek vypadal podstatně jinak, než český.)"

—Zacheus 11:38, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

• This reply contains no arguments but only personal feelings of Jimbo Wales and information that article will be delete. Now he has fair chance to argue agains the existence of article and tolk about sources at Czech Misplaced Pages.

• Zacheus <personal data removed> is banned at Czech Misplaced Pages for vandalism, personal atacks and harassemt. He declared that he is going to do harm to Misplaced Pages. --Móryturite Salutant 12:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Please,

1. don't establish one-purpose only account,
2. don't import totally unrelated drama from cs:. Your version of that event is totally false, but there's no place and no need to correct you. —Zacheus 12:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

my statement to a deletion fyi

Subject: deleting of Suicide of Anna Halman () by User:Thebainer on June 2nd and your comments to this event (see Talk:2006 Gdansk school suicide incident#moving and merging). Sorry, but the deleting (no merging, but deleting) of the article was very disappointing, but the way how it was done incl. your comments was very negative experience for me.
I am not like to discuss here the (obvious) significance of the event for an encyclopedia (I see, that somebody living in Australia – or Florida – sees it with another eyes, but the whole middle Europe discussed this event so it is significant, then more over in one country – Poland - where the celebration of Christopher Street Day might be a very dangerous event).
But the way it was deleted – and then confirmed by you – was a bad experience for me:

• it was not merged to somewhere but deleted (dear Jimbo Wales, I am a bit elder than you but not yet quite senile and working here over 3 years, so please...)
• the deletion was made a very short time after a brain storming of the community, where the majority said it is important and it has to be kept; under the influence of the discussion here there is a voting on the Czech Misplaced Pages started by someone yesterday – see the results after some hour at cs:Wikipedie:Hlasování o smazání/Anna Halman (probably somewhat, what User:Zacheus calls mob rule of the postcommunist version of the Misplaced Pages
• the history shows that the User:Thebainer used a very obscure way to delete the page: he could have use the old article to „merge“ it to the new one, the he could have make a notice somewhere; but he moved the page first to another name, then he deleted it without making a notice somewhere and he deleted also the talk page; I am sorry, Jimbo Wales, as I saw it next morning I was very perplex, as the same way used the User:Zacheus on the Czech Misplaced Pages <personal data removed>, to vandalize, to manipulate and to hide his manipulations some one and half year ago, and he was banned for it
• the deletion supported some more vandals who were forcing the deletion here and also in other wikipedias; two of them, User:Zacheus and the user editing like 71.99.xxxxx, are presently banned in the Czech Misplaced Pages (vandalism, personal attacks, destroing the community...), the tried to attack the same article in other Wikipedias as well

This circumstances make me after just more than three years of work here and nearly three years experiance like admin quite insecure about the future of this project. I know your letter and statements on democracy and Misplaced Pages, be sure. But this was not good and together with some other unsufficient rules I must rethink my position here, maybe with the exception of one project; but it was very desmotivating.

After I have posted this I saw that a very similar thread is beeing discussed here, but anyway... Thanks for understanding, -jkb- 14:08, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

-jkb- is a very problematic user for his dark past. I made him sysop on cs:, but it turned out a big mistake. His problem is that he does not understand even fundamental rules of the Misplaced Pages, such as WP:BLP or protection of privacy.

Cs: is now ruled by -jkb- and his cronies. They refused to delete the article about A. H., because it was written by one of them – Cynik – who used to hype them in the blog or another Kuroshin Britské listy and in his own blog. That's why he calls merging ("deleting") of the article "very disappointing".

I live in the Czech Republic. I've never heard about A. H., except for Cynik's hype. The Polish version of the Misplaced Pages has deleted the article as not notable. I don't think that the effort of some cronies (or in sk:) should be important. The Misplaced Pages is not a newspaper, as Jimbo correctly said.

-jkb- has written: "dear Jimbo Wales, I am a bit elder than you but not yet quite senile and working here over 3 years, so please..." In my view, he overestimate himself.

In AfD there was only 10 voters. This does not build a consensus.

Finally, I agree that as the former bureaucrat of cs: I tried to behave as Jimbo of TheBainer do. That's why -jkb- and his cronies two years ago desysopped me at first by a fraud and then blocked me. I remain blocked there up today and cs: doesn't respect even fundamental principles.

—Zacheus 15:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)