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As of now, article sounds like fanzine. Rewrite please! 165.21.154.116 20:49, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Um, information from the movie 'Sepet' seems to have mistakenly been merged with this page!

Ethnicity and American/British

Ethnicity can be--and often is--based solely on culture, not genetics or ancestry. So whether this guy is Chinese or Taiwanese depends on whether you believe Taiwan has a distinct culture from the PRC. As for Americans and Britons, those two are two separate cultures and ethnicities, though they are definitely related to each other. Chiss Boy 11:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

The Taiwanese culture is a subset of Chinese culture -- Chinese as a race and culture, not necessarily the nationality. Taiwanese are Han Chinese -- most of them are not even mixed with any other race. (i.e., contemporary Americans who are usually mixtures of different White ethnicities.) Taiwanese speak, read and write Chinese languages (Mandarin and Fujian/"Taiwanese"). Taiwanese celebrate Chinese festivals. Taiwanese follow Chinese customs. Taiwanese worship Chinese gods and deities. Taiwanese teach early Chinese history as their own. Taiwanese teach Chinese culture, traditions and behavioral codes including Confucianism. Taiwanese are Chinese as much as Cantonese are Chinese and Fujians are Chinese. ktchong 16 April 2007
In fact, in many ways Taiwanese are MORE Chinese than mainlanders, who have lost much of their Chinese root and heritage during the Cultural Revolution when old Chinese traditions came under attack, while Chinese traditions have survived intact in Taiwan. Taiwanese have retained all traditional Chinese customs and heritage, while mainlanders are, well, communists who have rebelled against, forsaken and lost much of their Chinese root during the crazy 1960s. ktchong 16 April 2007

Tekken needs to be removed

There was a rumor that he was going to start in the Tekken movie but this quote from the Tekken movie page disprooves it.

Talks of actors such as Takeshi Kaneshiro and Vicki Zhao appearing in the film are untrue as confirmed by Mr Rodney Cajudo of Crystal Sky Productions

Don't forget to sign guys (use four ~ symbols or the signature button). I changed the link to School Days to School Days (film) because it pointed to an unrelated video game. We're probably going to need a disambiguation page. --ScarletSpiderDave 11:02, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

racial issue

Kaneshiro is a mixed Japanese-Taiwanese person. Some people might agree that he can be included as a Chinese person due to his ethnic background (most Japanese and Taiwanese orginiated from China); however, this is a violation of NPOV since it is such a delicate, controversial issue on wikipedia, it is safe to leave him out of the Chinese category.--Bonafide.hustla 06:57, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

There is no such ethnicity as "Taiwanese". As far as I know, Takeshi Kaneshiro's heritage (non-Japanese part thereof) is Han Chinese and not Taiwanese Aborigines. Unless you can show some evidence that he is Taiwanese Aboriginal, or that "Taiwanese" is an ethnicity rather than a residency status? --Sumple (Talk) 07:08, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
  • First off, I need to say I resent your post on my talkpage falsely accusing me as a POV editor. I'm trying to bring NPOV to POV articles. I don't think that the English language Misplaced Pages should know or care about these distintions, especially if they cannot be expressed in English. All the Ethnic Group list articles are meant to simply list people who (themselves or their ancestors) immigrated from a particular country. This so-called Chinese is, or should be, those people who came from China (mainland); the existing 'list of Taiwanese Americans' article are those people who came from Taiwan. No politics here. No culture here. No self-reference questions of the people involved--who knows what is in their minds. Using the rough term Han Chinese as an excuse to classify Taiwanese as Chinese is unjust to the Taiwanese population. Just geographic facts.

Anything else should be removed as not NPOV. Thanks --Bonafide.hustla 07:15, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

You seem to have a mistaken understanding of the word "ethnicity". Please consult a dictionary. --Sumple (Talk) 07:29, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Are you trying to make personal attack? I wouldn't be editing here if I'm illiterate. Base on human history, all Asians and natives Americans are from the same ethnicity. Ethnics is very vague. Plus we're not even talking about ethnicity here, we're talking about nationality.--Bonafide.hustla 07:38, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I do not believe that you are illiterate. I just think that you have a mistaken understanding of certain words, such as "Chinese", "ethnicity", "race", "nationality", "geography", "Taiwanese". Seriously, have you even looked at the Han Chinese page? Just start with the ethnicity page. And the Mongoloid page while you are at it. --Sumple (Talk) 07:43, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Well apparently the categories may refer to nationality instead of ethnic backgrounds. Plus if you really are that concern about ethnicity than I guess a lot of American celebrities are missing the British ethnicity.--Bonafide.hustla 07:47, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

They can refer to nationality as well as ethnic backgrounds. Look, British vs American is a totally different issue to Chinese vs Taiwanese. If you look at the political status of Taiwan page you will see that a significant portion of people in Taiwan regard "Taiwanese" as a subset of "Chinese". (How many Americans would think that "American" is a subset of "British"?) It's not up to you or I to say which way people should identify themselves.
Given that Takeshi Kaneshiro is Han Chinese, and, indeed, Taiwanese, his ethnicity is well described by being "Chinese". However, if you can show a source that says he thinks he's not, I will accept the deletion.
Omitting the "Chinese" category is not NPOV - it's POV because it is omitting a significant point of view. --Sumple (Talk) 09:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

At the end of the day, I think it boils down to whether the category uses the word "Chinese" in the ethnic sense or the nationality sense. It says "Mixed part-Chinese, part-Japanese people", and since mixing ethnicities as opposed to mixing nationalities makes more sense, I'd say that he falls under this category. However, it's not a hard and fast rule. Note Category:Chinese Australians, where it makes no sense to talk of "Australian" as an ethnicity. enochlau (talk) 10:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

By the way, please note I have put Category:Chinese Japanese people up for discussion about what it should be called, because Chinese Japanese is an ambiguous term. Since you all seem to have thought about this issue at least somewhat, your input would be appreciated. Thanks! cab 17:23, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Whoops, I didn't see it, but I would have supported it. enochlau (talk) 10:52, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

The Republic of China (Taiwan) government itself has a census that says 97% of people in Taiwan are Han Chinese. intranetusa 13:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring

I think all editors involved in the current edit war need to stop and as such, the page is now protected. Edit warring does not get you anywhere. I suggest that we conduct a straw poll on the follow: does this guy belong in that category? Note to Bonafide.hustla: your reversion of the link to Taiwanese people is not even disputable because as a matter of policy, we change links to redirects and disambig pages to their proper destinations. enochlau (talk) 10:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

First I didn't change the redirect intentionally. I simply reverted to my previous version for convenient purposes. Sorry about that. --Bonafide.hustla 00:28, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Be more careful. enochlau (talk) 10:40, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Anything else?

Maybe you guys should set aside the race/nationality issue for now and focus on making Takeshi's article more of an article. It's pretty minimal now. I'm actually kind of shocked as to how small this article is, and how particular you editors are getting over this one issue when there's so much more to work on. I would like to try and help make this better if I could, but the page is protected because of this one issue, so nothing can be done to improve it. -- Ambero 06:20, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I've unprotected now, but it will go back on protection if any of that nonsense starts up again. enochlau (talk) 08:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Enoculau, your protection to this page as well as Senanku Island suggested you're obviously not neutral in this content dispute. One thing that really cocnerned me was that you reverted to the version you preferred before protecting the page. Sumple, please stop making PA attack on edit summary, it implies bad faith to the project.--Certified.Gangsta 08:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

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