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Barnstar

		The Mighty Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		For your work in upholding our encyclopedic standards and BLP policies, and especially the patience you have shown in dealing with difficult contributors. WjBscribe 23:00, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Elonka - Thanks for your recommendation to comment on the Request for Comment/RIR Page. My comment is now posted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CHT9 (talk • contribs) 19:27, June 26, 2007 (UTC)

Elonka - Do I need to go back in and add the line: 'Users that endorse this summary'? I thought this was going to be automatic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CHT9 (talk • contribs) 20:09, June 26, 2007 (UTC)

Give your comments

There is discussion about you on ANI. I suggest you contribute there. --- A. L. M. 09:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Request for Mediation

A Request for Mediation to which you are a party has been accepted. You can find more information on the mediation subpage, Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Danah Boyd. For the Mediation Committee, ^demon This message delivered by MediationBot, an automated bot account operated by the Mediation Committee to open new mediation cases. If you have questions about this bot, please contact the Mediation Committee directly.

Ken Uston

Excellent copy editing on the Ken Uston article, I was kinda surprised that anybody even had heard of him, nice job! ▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡ 07:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Boyd mediation/WikiProject idea

Hi Elonka

Since I'm not too familiar, let alone experienced with Misplaced Pages mediation proceedings, I was wondering if you could make any predictions how this might or might not go down. Also, since MoS-related formatting disputes seem to come up all the time these days, I'm currently contemplating the foundation of a WikiProject Style. Any opinion/thoughts on that? Regards - Cyrus XIII 11:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

You got mail. :) - Cyrus XIII 20:16, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

NSA Logo

Hi Elonka - I’m sorry, but we only allow use of our logo on materials created for and approved by NSA. We appreciate your request to include the NSA corporate logo on your posting to Misplaced Pages. More broadly, we also appreciate the interest in and importance of various online vehicles in today's communications environment – and we want to be as supportive as possible. However, we must reserve the right to allow the use of our logo only when we are responsible for the content with which it appears. I trust that you understand why we must respectfully decline your offer. CHT9

Actually, I think it's fair use for Misplaced Pages to use a company logo on an article about the company. No permission is required, to the best of my knowledge, but I am not a lawyer because I dropped out of Columbia Law School after one year. Jehochman 04:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Dr. Sears

This is the reason I came here. Did you ever get an answer if User: Dr sears is William Sears (physician)? This looks like either a COI issue with Juice Plus, or a case of impersonation. Something should be done either way. Jehochman 04:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Soap episodes

If you think I should not add future dates, come back and let me know when I'm wrong. Let me know that it was pre-empted and I made a mistake. Until then, nobody else seems to have a rpblem with it...and the Passions page is updated by someone else...thanks Soapfan06/June 30 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soapfan06 (talk • contribs) 06:05, June 30, 2007 (UTC)

Dirty Dancing

Hold on, just put "After the movie" as a sub-section under "Reception", and retitle it "Legacy". I'll try and get a closer look soon. Alientraveller 19:41, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Tanbur (Persian)

Greetings, you were involved in a discussion concerning the content of Tanbur (Persian). I plan to replace that article with the rewritten text at Tanbur/Temp, and then move Tanbur (Persian) to Tembûr (more details at Talk:Tanbur (Persian)#Improvement, nomenclature etc.). I would appreciate any constructive criticism or additional assistance you are willing to offer. I completely understand if you already feel weary of the entire matter. Thanks, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 23:08, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

July 2007 Wikiproject Food and Drink Newsletter

WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter July 2007--Christopher Tanner, CCC 19:22, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Updated two soap opera character articles now as referenced, and with a Cultural impact section

• Elonka, I've updated the Bianca Montgomery article and the Josh Madden article, to where they now provide references (reliable) and real-world impact, and I want your thoughts on their overall presence, and, if you will, their status on what they should be rated. I know that the Bianca Montgomery article is longer in plot than the Misplaced Pages: WikiProject Soap Operas standard of 500 words, but that's to be expected from a long-running character, in which that policy states may be acceptable for. Anyway, give me your thoughts on these two articles as of how they now are. Flyer22 19:12, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Sale, Greater Manchester FAC

Hi. I'm sorry to bother you, but as you are one of Misplaced Pages's top writers, I just wondered if you would be willing to have a look through the Sale, Greater Manchester article. It is currently a Featured Article Candidate and needs a copy-edit for grammar. Any other ways to improve the article would also be welcome. We would be very grateful, if you can. Thanks. Epbr123 07:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Depiction of Muhammad

You have messed up the introduction, making it appear that it is normal to depict Muhammad. Why you have done that? --- A. L. M. 07:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

All the references supporting cartoon and written after incident of cartoon violates neutrality. However, I cannot remove them and has not removed them per wikipedia policy. btw now I owe you a oppose vote in your next bit for being an admin. --- A. L. M. 08:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

If you have concerns about the neutrality of the article, please bring them up at the article talkpage. And if you choose to oppose me as admin over a content issue, well, that's your choice. --Elonka 16:54, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

General Hospital

Oh alright, thanks for clarifying, about the General Hospital thing. Not knowing General Hospital, I assumed it was a real person and that it was just not long enough. Delete away! Smkohnstamm 00:48, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Kaaba#Pictures of Muhammad

I like your summary of the policy on depictions of Mohammad. I'll need to think about it a bit, but I think you might have changed my mind on the topic. --P3d0 18:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Marcin Dunin

Currentlu I don't have any close-up of face of statue, but I can do it ;) If You are interest in this theme - sculpture was made by Andreas Friederich from Strasburg in 1846. It is currently on the top of epitaph of archbishop Dunin in Chapel of St. John Cantius in Poznań Archcathedral Basilica. Archbishop himself is burried in Archbishopric Crypt in underground of basilica second coffin from the right Radomil talk 09:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Could You check this article, because it was written by German (it was started as Martin von Dunin) and Pole (me). Non of us is English native speaker Radomil talk 09:54, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Dunin Surname page

Hi Elonka,

I added a some information on both Piotr and Princess Maria.

I also added a Wiki link for the charge on Rokitna hill, but it does not mention Captain Zbigniew Dunin-Wonsowicz lead the charge. There are several good external web sources available on Rokitna charge, but the information is a long ways down on the page so I did not add a link to it.

I added a link to a page on www.Lituanus.org about Napoleon's 1812 Russian Campaign. It mentions Count Dunin-Wonsowicz a ways down on the page.

I will try to add more supportive information in the future, but I am flying to Krakow on July 18th and will not be back till the end of August. It is unclear if I will have internet access at the home I am staying at, so it might be a while before I can add any more links and information.

Best Wishes,

Richard (Ryszard) Dunin-W (aka. RickTheLoneWolf)

Depictions of Muhammad

Hi Elonka, that article is horrible, actually. What does one learn about the history of depictions of Muhammad? Almost nothing. It is an unhappy marriage of a proper depictions article, represented by the image gallery, and Islamic aniconism, as the text is more about Islamic doctrine and reaction. I realize that we cannot conjure expert labor out of thin air, but ideally one would discuss the actual history and characteristics of depictions of Muhammad, and another the religious doctrine. Placing the depictions themselves amidst a sea of recentist criticism does a disservice to the reader and to the artists who created them.Proabivouac 07:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, it needs a lot of work, feel free to help out.  :) --Elonka 19:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

"I think that the show/hide option is reasonable. It still makes the image available in an uncensored form, but removes it one simple mouse-click away. As for the Depictions of Muhammad page, I don't think that would be a good solution for that page, since the title clearly states that there will be depictions, so the images should be left on the page. But for here at Kaaba, I would support either using SlimVirgin's show/hide solution, or replacing the "Muhammad placing the stone" image with a simple image of the Black Stone itself, and then linking to Depictions of Muhammad via a "See also". --Elonka 22:24, 16 July 2007 (UTC)"

Thank you for your this post. --- A. L. M. 08:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC),

Talk:Reform_Act_1832

GA holds are for no more than seven days. This article needs to be checked to see if issues were addressed bringing the article up to standards. If so, the article needs to be listed. If not, it needs to be removed from GAC. Regards, LaraLove 04:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

...and it was written of those of the circumlocutious ministery that they had found in their scribe a champion

Good grief! Well, your diagnosis of the events is correct, but what was going on in the passage, besides passive voice constructions so thick that reading is like being slowly buried in a treacle flood, is that quaint nineteenth century habit of indirect discourse. Really, really conservative people still didn't like to repeat speeches from Parliament (illegal, after all), and so they would report speeches indirectly in indirect discourse. "The duke his lordship indicated that he would prefer a sharp poke in the eye than to read his speeches printed and went further to say that I would rather be electrocuted by Mr. Volta's spirit gun and Leiden cells than read myself transposed" was their way of doing a speech and staying clear of the law (even though they didn't have to). The reference almost certainly is of speeches. ¶As for the history, the entire passage can be and should be half the length, as the events are much shorter when told in the indicative mood. Wellington's comments shocked the Whigs and scared the Tories. His government failed through a no confidence vote. Grey, now Earl Grey (apparently turned into a brand of tea in the interim), forms a government.... Geogre 12:46, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Question about problematic user

Hi there Elonka. I am another user who has had the misfortune of crossing paths with User:DreamGuy. Well, actually, s/he initiated our “run in” when he removed the content of an entire article of mine (which I spent considerable time researching and cited heavily), claiming it was a WP:FORK and calling my contribution “worthless”. Apparently, he is allowed to completely ignore the WP:Deletion process and didn’t even make an attempt to merge. Regardless of my experience, I find that it is impossible to work productively together with DG. Judging by his/her list of blocks, crudeness and past history, I assume that I am not the only person who has had this problem. Honestly, I just want to leave the whole thing behind and avoid this user entirely, but s/he keeps initiating personal attacks and accusing me of ridiculous things (note: I have never been blocked or accused of violations like this before…which cannot be said for User:DreamGuy). It is surprising to me that nothing more serious can be done about this user besides countless temporary blocks even though he is obviously belligerent and likes to have personal vendettas against other users (WP:DICK). I find this to be a significant flaw in the process. My question is: do you have any suggestions on what I should do? I’d greatly appreciate any input in this matter. Oh and I’d prefer not to sign in, in fear that DreamGuy will come after me for making this edit. Regards, 145.236.110.178 11:47, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry to hear that you have been having an unpleasant experience on Misplaced Pages. It has been my own experience that the editing environment here can be a bit "rough and tumble" at times, and that behavior which is not tolerated in other communities, often is tolerated on Misplaced Pages, because the community goals are more towards "build an encyclopedia" than "everyone get along." Also, when someone spends time trying to address a grievance, it's often seen as a waste of their time, when they could be spending time working on articles instead.  :/ Don't get me wrong, there are indeed processes in place to deal with disruptive users, but, when it comes to dealing with problems from established users, these processes generally rely on proving a pattern of disruption, rather than dealing with a single incident.

In terms of DreamGuy in particular, I have to be honest with you that though he can be very brusque at times, the brusqueness is often justified, as he is dealing with bonafide spammers and POV-pushers, who are seeking to intimidate him on very specific issues. Unfortunately, I think that because of this pattern, he may occasionally react to good-faith editors in a stronger way than is necessary. For your own case, I can't make a judgment one way or the other, since you haven't given me any indication of which article(s) you're talking about.

My own advice to you in dealing with anyone on Misplaced Pages is:

1. Don't post as an IP address. Maintain an identity, to prove that you have a history of constructive constributions.
2. Stay excruciatingly civil at all times. Keep in mind that to other harried admins who are reviewing a situation, they often have only a few minutes to come up to speed on a dispute. They're not going to read the pages of history that have led up to a dispute, they're often simply going to look at the last day or two. If they see two people being equally rude to each other, the admin is likely to assume that both are equally at fault. So it is essential that your own behavior be exemplary at all times.
3. Follow the procedures at Misplaced Pages:Resolving disputes. In a nutshell, these are: Talk to the other party involved. Get discussions going on any related article talkpage. Build consensus. Request an RfC on the article. Try to build consensus among other editors, don't try to go at things solo.
4. If discussion doesn't work, seek something more formal. You can go one of two ways here, depending on whether the core issue is one of article content, or user conduct. If article content, try Mediation. If user conduct, go for a User Conduct RfC. But be aware that such an RfC is a major step, and to be successful, you must have proof of multiple attempts to resolve the situation via other means.
5. Lastly, there's arbitration. But to get that far, it's essential that there's a record of having tried all the above steps first.
6. Keep things balanced. Try not to focus on your dispute, but also spend time editing other parts of Misplaced Pages at the same time. For every talkpage message you generate about the dispute, try to have 5 or more edits on other non-dispute-related articles. Prove that you're not a single-purpose account.

I hope that this helps. If you're still uncomfortable talking on-wiki about this, feel free to contact me off-wiki, by clicking on the "E-mail this user" link in the lefthand toolbox. Or you can also contact me via IMs. Check the "contact info" section on my userpage for whichever address is most appropriate. Best wishes, Elonka 17:18, 20 July 2007 (UTC)