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Geonim

Sorry about the tardiness in response; will look at article during my tomorrow :) Fintor 21:18, 17 May 2005 (UTC) talk

Category:Hebrew Bible verses

Hello Jay: See the verses in Category:Hebrew Bible verses with the two samples so far: Genesis 1:1, and Genesis 1:2. Is this the way the Torah verses should be "presented"? (Compare with the verses in Category:New Testament verses.) At what point should the classical teachings of famous meforshim be inserted, and in what way and how much? The time to decide on this is now, because at this stage the "project" is still being "formed" by User:Neutrality alone. Thank you. IZAK 02:52, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

RFAr against User:KaintheScion and associated socks

Since KaintheScion has not changed his abusive behavior and has created another sockpuppet (User:Enviroknot), I have now requested arbitration against him. Firebug 16:50, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

User:Zivinbudas

I've now officially requested an Arbitration against Zivinbudas. As one of the people who were involved in previous attempts at compromise with him, you might be interested in the case. Also, feel free to list yourself as one of the parties involved here. Halibutt 04:05, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

Cedar Revolution/Yuber

Hi Jayig! Thank you for drawing my attention to Yuber's activities. I fully agree with your stand on Yuber's edits, laced as they are with none-too-subtle POV. I have reverted his edit to your last version. Now that you've alerted me, I'll check this article for vandalism every time I log on. Yuber seems to have an understanding of NPOV that is very different from the one with which most of us are familiar. David Cannon 00:49, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Yuber POVing in Al Qunaytirah

I think its time to get rid of this useless editor. I am going to request arbitration. But now, I need help in the article.

I've petitioned for arbitration against Yuber

I hope you join in the commentary against him.

Guy Montag 07:34, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Guy Montag 06:26, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Banu Qurayza

Hi, I received this request: "Banu Qurayza I'd be interested in your thoughts, and if you have time, your help in editing.Briangotts 02:34, 31 May 2005 (UTC)" Are you able to take a look at it, it's also being "disputed". Thanks. IZAK 03:34, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism

198.188.249.12 (talk · contribs) should be blocked quickly. He's on a vandalism spree. -Anonymous 21:38, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

your revert on Talk:Karaite_Judaism

I noticed the anon's deletion of that section yesterday, and didn't bother to revert it because I figured out what was going on by looking at his/her other edits. It apparently is the same person who wrote the original text, and who wrote the Qaryanism and Qaryanic stuff (read "rubbish"), who later admitted that it had all been essentially his/her own flight of fancy. Personally, I don't see that the talk page is hurt by its deletion, nor do I see that its staying there helps anything, especially not without an accompanying explanation of why my having put it there elicited no response (there), nor any discussion of why it wasn't reincorporated into the article. Kol tov. Tomer 02:12, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

Nicolas Sarkozy

You may remember that I cautioned you against concluding that Nicolas Sarkozy's mother (and, him, therefore) was a Jew on the basis that she was of "Greek-Jewish origins"? It turns out that his mother's father was a Greek Jew converted to Catholicism, and her mother was a Catholic. It follows that, according to Jewish law, N.S. is not a Jew.

Just to let you know about that and invite you to exerce caution. David.Monniaux 20:57, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Actually no, that is not me on the mailing list. Would you like to apologize? What exactly is your problem with me, anyway? Everyking 05:29, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Apartheid article

Sorry for the late reply, I was away. I've left a message to counter Anon's latest claims, but I doubt it will do much good. None of those like him can ever really see the logical flaws in their arguments. Impi 17:24, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

On the contrary, Impi cannot see the logical flaws in his arguments and deletions. Somehow he seems to believe that the S. African Jewish community is "the same" as the European Christian communities. They are not the same, and never were, and still are not today. The communities are distinct, and the inclusion is therefore accurate.69.209.236.29 21:40, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Gaza Strip, et al

You main objection to anon's posting of his pictures appears to be "self-promotion". I think linking the pics adds as much to the Gaza article as any of the other external links. What if *I* add the links? Would it then still be self-promotion? I ask this with a grin, of course, as the situation there has become rediculous. I'm somewhat tempted to wait until anon's been gone several months and renew the discussion without him, as he's not helping the situation. --Chiacomo 20:02, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

As I said before, when visiting his collection of photographs, I can't find an option to actually buy anything. His email address is there, of course... His POV in the article edits is evident, but the photographs themselves, the captions, and the commentary accompanying them don't appear to have blatant POV problems -- or at least no more than other similar links. I too have doubts whether ANY photographs should be linked from the article, but if there will be links to photos, his collection is just as valid as the others. --Chiacomo 20:14, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

user:68.10.35.153

May I direct your attention to user:68.10.35.153 (talk · contribs)? Here are two specific diffs and . The editor has also created a number of articles about related people and groups, and made substantial changes to existing articles. Some RC patrollers and I have been cleaning up parts of these edits, but there's a lot to review. I strongly suspect that he is Bill White and that he is using original research to write about himself, his friends and his enemies. While it's fascinating to read about the dating history of a white supremacist moll, it really isn't encyclopedic material. Any idea for a general way to proceed with this editor? I'll leave a note on his page reminding him of some relevant policies. -Willmcw 18:57, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Request for Assistance: ADMINISTRATOR ABUSE: Administrator Mustafaa is a Wiki Terrorist

Asking for assistance regarding Administrator Mustafaa and editor Yuber:

Regarding the page and edits to Islamic Terrorism, Administrator Mustafaa acts as the police to this page to ensure that his biased POV is inserted. He was called in by Yuber to revert my edit, which was balanced, an improvement, and entirely without a POV (as are all my edits). They worked to team up to ensure that only their biased POV is inserted. Mustafaa then blocked me, in the process breaking many Wiki policies. Basically Mustafaa ‘s reactionary vandalism and his act of blocking me was an act of Wiki terrorisim.

Yuber has been cited before for violating 3RR policies, now the editor teams up with Mustafaa to continue violating 3RR policies.

Administrator Mustafaa broke many of Wiki policies:

1. Abuse of Administratorship: Most important is that Mustafaa has an obvious POV and abuses his Administratorship to ensure that his POV is inserted into his favorite articles.

2. Edit Abuse: Mustafaa (and Yuber) made a reactionary rv revert of the entire article instead of simply making one simple correction, the only correction that they disagreed with.

3. Edit Abuse: Unlike what they stated, there has been no previous discussion of this issue. The only previous discussion concerned their own sensitivity to the term. The term “Islamic Terrorism” is the term used by the West and it is the term being described. I provided a source (and there would be tens of thousands of sources, because this is the proper term in the West. I accurately described the dispute that some Muslims have over a term used in the West.

4. Violating blocking Policy: Use of blocks to gain advantage in a content dispute, and self-blocking to enforce a Wikiholiday or departure are specifically prohibited. Likewise, users should not block those with whom they are currently engaged in conflict.

5. Violating blocking Policy: logged-in users with a substantial history of valid contributions, regardless of the reasoning for the block should not be blocked.

6. Violating blocking Policy: the 3RR policy is not to be used to deal with vandalism as mine was of Mustafaa and Yuber vandalism.

7. Violating blocking Policy: Mustafaa made no warnings, he just wanted to protect his POV.

I believe that I have made significant contributions to Wiki and I very greatly object to 2 people teaming up to block me out of the system so that they can insert their POV.

These people are doing a real disservice to Wiki, and I can think of no worse vandalism than they have done:

I think Administrators like Mustafaa are dangerous for Wiki, especially when they are so willing to violate Wiki policy to insert their POV.

So, I would appreciate any information and assistance you can provide to Noitall. Thank you.

--Noitall 04:48, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

Referring to someone called Mustafaa as a "terrorist", while amusingly hyperbolic, seems rather Islamophobic. --Irishpunktom\ 11:44, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

Hyperbolic, abusive, and possibly offensive it is, but why is it Islamophobic? Because of some presumption that Mustafaa is Muslim? A) I don't know that he is; B) there are Moslems who are terrorists, but that doesn't make Islam a terrorist religion (by any stretch)? --Leifern 14:41, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)