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:::::I have no opinion on the image, so I see no reason to continue this here. He may have brought it here, but I have not acted on it. --] 02:33, 30 August 2007 (UTC) :::::I have no opinion on the image, so I see no reason to continue this here. He may have brought it here, but I have not acted on it. --] 02:33, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
::::::Golbez, do you have opinion of images attributed to "Armenian Genocide"? Is it not clear that Pocopocopocopoco is removing sensitive and well attributed images from a very painful topic to further fuel conflict and insult Azeris? Removal of photographs and videos of massacre, which is a FACT, in this case, is simply engagement in another war along national lines. ] 04:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC) ::::::Golbez, do you have opinion of images attributed to "Armenian Genocide"? Is it not clear that Pocopocopocopoco is removing sensitive and well attributed images from a very painful topic to further fuel conflict and insult Azeris? Removal of photographs and videos of massacre, which is a FACT, in this case, is simply engagement in another war along national lines. ] 04:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I am not familiar enough with the images and the history of the edit war to get involved at this point. If there's a problem, take it to RFC, but I won't be getting involved in this one. I know the N-K article extremely well; the same does not apply to the Khojali Massacre or War articles. --] 04:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


== Re: Endeavour == == Re: Endeavour ==

Revision as of 04:07, 30 August 2007

Welcome to my talk page.

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hi~ --Golbez 15:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

you said I posted a "false" link?

X911oz 12:55, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

List of Kentucky state insignia

Looks like our List of Governors of Kentucky is on its way to FL status. Let me ask your opinion on another list – List of Kentucky state insignia. I recently created this list with the intent of bringing it to FL, but held off on the nom because I thought the lead was too short. However, no one seems to have mentioned this as a problem in the nom for List of state symbols of Maryland, which also has a very short lead. Do you think this list has a chance of making FL? Acdixon 21:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The only holdups I can see on List of Governors of California would be if someone said the lead was too short or if someone complained about the red-linked amendment. Do you have enough information to stub that in? I wish I had pictures of all the Kentucky governors; that really makes the list look a lot better. Acdixon 21:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
If you're interested, I nominated List of Kentucky state insignia for FL status today. Acdixon 18:55, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Image:Canada provinces evolution.gif

Hi Golbez!

You've done a really nice job on Image:Canada provinces evolution.gif. It's really impressive. However, I wonder if you wouldn't consider making some changes to it. It appears you used Territorial evolution of Canada for the basis of the map, but British Columbia is drawn with its modern-day boundaries (with no Alaska Boundary Dispute (1867-1903)). On the east coast, it isn't shown that there was a Labrador Boundary dispute; Labrador should be marked as maroon (disputed) from 1912 to 1927, and a small strip of Labrador on its southern border from 1927 to 1949 (or present day). I realize the disputed Alaska boundary would be hard to show, as it's rather narrow, but at least a label with an arrow could make it stand out, and all but a mile of coastal Labrador was disputed from 1912-1927, so it should be colored maroon. Can you fix these? Firsfron of Ronchester 12:42, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the (incredibly swift!) response, Golbez. The 1949 Labrador boundary decision was odd because Newfoundland was granted more land than it had even claimed in the boundary dispute, and Quebec still apparently claims that southern Labrador strip. Thanks for considering some map modifications. It really is a great map. Best wishes and happy editing, Firsfron of Ronchester 12:53, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

wikistress

Hi, I love your wikistress thermometer. Where can I get it? The User you give credit for it seems to have retired. Also, I would like to invite you to respond to: Talk:September_11,_2001_attacks#Baseless_dismissal_of_conspiracy. Thanks, — Xiutwel ♫☺♥♪ (talk) 12:46, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

POTD notification

POTD

Hi Andrew,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture Image:Mexico states evolution.gif is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on August 1, 2007. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2007-08-01. howcheng {chat} 23:42, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

List of wild mammal species in Florida

Hi Golbez, how are you? Please, I would like to ask, if you have time, for a quick peer review of List of wild mammal species in Florida. Btw, any copyediting would be greatly appreciated to cover my dismal English. :-) Thanks!--Legionarius 05:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your edits :-). I plan to put it in FLC this week. What did you think about the list?--Legionarius 14:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Questions

Hi,

I am an Assistant Professor of Information Systems at Boston College, and I am researching the development of the Misplaced Pages article on the Virginia Tech Massacre. You were among the top 2% of editors for that article, and I was wondering if you’d be willing to answer a few questions by email. Please also indicate at the bottom if you’d be willing to participate in a short follow-up phone/Skype interview as well.

All of your responses and your participation will be confidential. Please cut and paste the below questions and respond by email to gerald.kane@bc.edu to ensure confidentiality.

I appreciate your help on this project, and please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions. Please also let me know if you are interested in receiving a copy of the paper when it is finished.

Thank You, Gerald C (Jerry) Kane, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Information Systems Carroll School of Management Boston College 140 Commonwealth Ave 326 Fulton Hall Chestnut Hill, MA 02478


Questions: 1) On average, how many hours per week do you spend editing articles on Misplaced Pages? 2) Why do you contribute your time and energy to developing Misplaced Pages articles? 3) What types of articles to which do you typically contribute? 4) Why did you choose to become involved in the Misplaced Pages article on the Virginia Tech Massacre? 5) What was your primary role in the process of creating the article on the Virginia Tech Massacre (e.g. copy editing, fighting vandalism, contributing news, managing a particular section, etc?) 6) How was your experience with this article similar to or different than other Misplaced Pages articles to which you have contributed? 7) What were some of the most challenging issues facing the successful development of this particular article on the Virginia Tech Massacre? 8) What do you think were some of the primary reasons that this article was successful (i.e. cited in the press, nominated as a “featured article.”) 9) Is there anything else I should know about the Misplaced Pages article on the VT massacre? 10) Would you be willing to participate in a short phone/Skype interview to talk more about your experience with the article (if yes, I will follow up later by email to arrange it).

--geraldckane 20:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Current members of the Maryland House of Delegates

Thank you for your help on the article noted above. I looked through and discovered that you probaqbly had to edit each name one at a time. Above and beyond. from me and geraldk I wanted to say thanks.Marylandstater 18:10, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Secretary of Energy

Thank you for all your help on this article as well as your support.--Southern Texas 21:48, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Tobias

Thanks for reverting his rantings off my talk page. --Golbez 20:24, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Gscshoyru 20:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


Colours

I swapped two illustrative colours as pink is not appropriate and you had an issue with red. Pink is not appropriate. You said it was just for illustration so I swapped. "pinko" and other epithets have bben used and I suspect the choice for the republican was not by accident. Red, blue or green are all acceptable. Pink and yellow are not. These are political parties and it's silly to ignore that these colors have meaning. Please pick another color that doesn't have an inherently offensive interpretation. --Tbeatty 03:19, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Not kidding and since it was not offensive to you, why did you revert? I would have thought that a swap would be fine if you didn't really care, but you did care enough to revert the swap. republicans have found it offensive and have made it known to me and I agree that a more neutral color is called for (Neutral as in Neutral Point of View). The colour pink is not offensive. "pink" in the political context IS offensive and it's pretty obvious since Pinko is considered a political epithet. Use pink to highlight numbers on a balance sheet, don't use it to make a political statement about a political party. Find another color. Don't care which. red or blue is historical. Pink is offensive. Yellow would be considered offensive as well. Don't insult my intelligence by pretending that color has no meaning in political or national contexts. Political parties and nations identify with these colors. Please don't offend them by using non-neutral or colors they find offensive. Its no skin off your no nose if it means nothing to you, so why oppose other editors attempts at neutrality? --Tbeatty 03:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
No colours are offensive to me. I just recognize that pink and yellow would be offensive to either republicans or democrats in the U.S. Democrats would be mad if they were portrayed as pink. Pink and progressive have some historical ties though (at least in the U.S., e.g. Code Pink ). Did you read the Pinko article? Red and Blue are historical colors and national colors and would not be offensive to either Republicans or Democrats. Acknowledging that colors have political overtones as you did with your cute rhyme, why would you oppose neutrality? Again, if the colours hold no meaning to you, why do you oppose changing them to a neutral color? Do you not see how the color might be perceived as non-neutral? --Tbeatty 04:14, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
You are wrong again and your lack of AGF is disappointing. I was contacted by a person who would have a COI if he edited. I have never even seen the shaded articles before the complaint was made. Like it or not, the association of colors exist. Yellow and pink are unacceptable. Red and Blue are historical. No one will care if it's green or other non-offensive color. I don't understand why you don't want to accomodate such an easy neutrality request. This is not an extraordinary request. In politics, image is everything so I don't see what you are opposed to. We accomodate requests such as this all the time. See Pink elephant as well. --Tbeatty 13:44, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Why are you edit warring over colours you say you don't care about? --Tbeatty 04:38, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

VartanM

It was not a first instance of an incivil comment by VartanM today. Another one is here: --Grandmaster 07:44, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I hope he will stop attacking other editors after your warning. --Grandmaster 07:52, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

There’s another problem I would like to attract your attention to. User:Azizbekov is an obvious sock, which is admitted even by the admins, and he makes repeated personal attacks on other users using obscene language, but no one cares to take any measures. I would appreciate your attention to this issue. Grandmaster 13:08, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

If you see me act the way I did yesterday, you can block me. Yes I was uncivil and yes I attacked both Grandmaster and Atabek. But if you take a deeper look, you will see that both of them attacked me first and within minutes of each other. That is no way of justifying my actions but I was provoked, and when looking back, I would have no objections if you blocked me yesterday. VartanM 20:23, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
I never ever attacked you. I only mentioned that you made an original research, that’s nowhere near a personal attack. --Grandmaster 04:46, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
VartanM, would you be so kind to assume good faith and present links as to how I attacked you? I believe the summary here clearly shows who was attacking whom. Thanks. Atabek 05:09, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Pokemon Movie Articles

Hello, will the Pokemon Movie Articles be unprotected today? Unless I read the edit summary wrong, it should already been expired. Thanks! SpigotMap 15:34, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you know that something about these articles turned up on my talk page. Since you have the good fortune to already be handling this particular operation, I've sort of left it to you :) Hope you're well, Splash - tk 22:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Dash

Please don't replace – and — with HTML. The symbols are good enough for the MOS (WP:DASH) and are included among the symbols one can add using the list below the edit box. Thanks. Colin° 23:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Maps

Hey there, I wasn't joking about the maps on the Nagorno-Karabakh page you know, ;) I was hoping that, at most, two maps are enough for the article. One map showing the general location, cities, towns and neighboring countries (I think this one I made is a good example and one showing the internal divisions. Cheers, --Marshal Bagramyan 23:35, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Hello, i think the new maps from commons is better then other... and Karbakh is a part of Azerbaijan.. You can see also other rayons of Georgia. Thanks --Baki66 20:54, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok. but can you show Abkhasia or Ossetien on the map http://en.wikipedia.org/Imereti I dont seen Abkhasia, that reason ich think a new map from commons is ok. Sorry for my English :) Thanks--Baki66 21:05, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

You write very fast. Ok. the old map can remain there.. --Baki66 21:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Bye--Baki66 21:16, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

IP

Another one --Vonones 22:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

And this --Vonones 22:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
  • I have commented on the noticeboard post. I don't think you should have implemented the block as you were in a dispute with the user, no warnings were given, and no explanation of the block was posted on the user's talk page. Please could you post appropriate blocking messages on the talk pages as soon as possible, while we wait for a decision on the incident. Thanks Papa November 22:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
He is back again; --Vonones 01:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes I'm back, to make "sensible" corrections, as in the Hatay Province article. Read the articles before engaging in a ridiculous revert war, generated by a combination of national pride and "prejudice for the evil other". 151.44.157.161 02:02, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, that's why I didn't block you on sight. Stop using inflammatory edit summaries, and adding tags without giving a reason, and there'll be less issues. --Golbez 02:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
What I did was wrong, but I wanted to show how the Armenians get annoyed when a Turk abuses Armenia-related articles the same way in which they abuse Turkey-related articles with an interesting kind of fixation and "prejudice for the evil Turk's intentions". They simply cannot accept the fact that, despite the reality and brutality of the Armenian Genocide committed by the Ottoman government, Armenian rebels of the Dashnak and Henchak organizations also killed many Turkish and Kurdish civilians with the assistance of the Russian Army in Eastern Anatolia. This is simply "the other side of the coin", and they just can't stand it; with the determination to depict the Armenians as "pure angels" and Turks as "pure devils". 151.44.157.161 02:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
No that is simply the "Turkish side of the coin" this has been heavily documented, eyewitnesses back than would describe it as one of the worst massacres ever (since Genocide was not invented yet) the Dashnak myth you say is OR and is nonsense. --Vonones 11:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not a party to this dispute (I noticed the block on Flavius' user page while seeking his assistance on a different topic), though I have had significant interaction with the editor in question. I just added a note to the noticeboard discussion you had up yesterday: I'm not certain how it impacts your decision here, but thought you should be aware of the larger history, as well as the fact that this editor can be reasoned with (if only after a lot of effort). We had a pretty nasty set of run-ins between us, but I learned pretty quickly after my sockpuppet report that its not constructive to deal angrily with this individual. Hiberniantears 14:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Also Golbez regarding the Britannica thing Flavius said that figure he shows is wrong it only shows two years of an estimate and not the full Armenian Genocide numbers so do not feel like you reverted wrongfully it was fully justified I discussed it with him on the Armenian Genocide page, and than he said "However, his estimation of 1/3 - 1/3 - 1/3 was probably a constant and didn't change much" meaning he is trying to guess the estimates of the full year this is pretty much original research trying to estimate the rest more of a trick reference, since Arnold's estimates are very high than he actual stats. --Vonones 11:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

email

Actually, see your email. Tvoz |talk 19:28, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Amateur Achievement Award of Astronomical Society of the Pacific

The Amateur Achievement Award list has been promoted to Featured List. I would like to thank you for your help with editing the table of the list. Jan.Kamenicek 20:46, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Hurricane Dean

Hi. I'm not sure why you deleted the info I added to this article. The edit summary simply says "fix", so I'm not sure what your intention was. Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/WP:UNITS#Units_of_measurement for help with units of measurement per the Manual of Style. Popkultur 07:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Question about YouTube videos

Golbez, I noticed you removed a YouTube video link by Patriot77 . I just have a question, is there any Misplaced Pages policy on usage of YouTube videos? I have noticed some other pages, where other YouTube videos were used, so was just curious. Thanks. Atabek 02:41, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Golbez. Actually, there are several videos documenting Khojaly massacre in 1992, available on YouTube, here are just two: , . These are very graphic, but they are also a valuable material for an online encyclopedia in establishing a strong evidence of this crime against humanity. Even though they may not have to be inserted on every page, they would be directly relevant on Khojaly Massacre page. Atabek 16:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Khojaly external link

You may want to look at this , , , , . Khojaly Massacre, according to Memorial and several other rights groups and news sources, was the biggest and most brutal massacre of the conflict to date. Yet User:MarshallBagramyan keeps removing the link from Nagorno-Karabakh and Nagorno-Karabakh War articles, edit warring and removing the link to factually-recorded massacres in Nagorno-Karabakh. Atabek 00:42, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, I suppose that would be another solution. Also, , no removal of image of victims from the Khojaly Massacre. I don't understand why this group of users is trying to hide someone else's massacre. Atabek 02:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
This group of users? Atabek WP:AGF and don't turn Misplaced Pages into a battleground. If you have a problem with User:Pocopocopocopoco's address it with him, his not part of any group, neither am I. --VartanM 04:19, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Golbez, can you please respond/address the issue. I think removal of the picture of children victims of Khojaly Massacre, which was there for a while, is close to vandalism along the lines of ethnic conflict. Atabek 07:41, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Greetings Golbez, I removed the image. Atabek should have discussed this in the talk page of the article but since he brought the discussion here, perhaps I can get your wisdom not just with regard to that image but with regard to wiki policy in general. My understanding of WP:VERIFY is that it applies to everything in the article, ie images, external links etc. The image was from khojaly.net, which is not a verifiable source, hence I removed it. Furthermore, these links should probably also be removed as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/Khojaly_Massacre#Photographs
http://en.wikipedia.org/Khojaly_Massacre#Videos
Also, there are some images in the Georgian-Abkhaz conflict articles that use abkhazia.com, which is a propaganda site about the plight of the Georgians from Abkhazia. This site also fails WP:VERIFY hence material from that site should be removed as well. Comments? -TIA Pocopocopocopoco 01:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I have no opinion on the image, so I see no reason to continue this here. He may have brought it here, but I have not acted on it. --Golbez 02:33, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Golbez, do you have opinion of images attributed to "Armenian Genocide"? Is it not clear that Pocopocopocopoco is removing sensitive and well attributed images from a very painful topic to further fuel conflict and insult Azeris? Removal of photographs and videos of massacre, which is a FACT, in this case, is simply engagement in another war along national lines. Atabek 04:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I am not familiar enough with the images and the history of the edit war to get involved at this point. If there's a problem, take it to RFC, but I won't be getting involved in this one. I know the N-K article extremely well; the same does not apply to the Khojali Massacre or War articles. --Golbez 04:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Endeavour

yet that's what it is, why not be correct?

For the same reason we have an article at Space Shuttle Endeavour instead of Space Shuttle Orbiter Endeavour. Even NASA has no problem calling it the "Space Shuttle Endeavour". So "Space Shuttle Endeavour" is not incorrect. Although "Space Shuttle Orbiter Endeavour" is probably not incorrect either, it's unnecessarily specific and barely a "common name". -- tariqabjotu 01:46, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Canadian Map

Hi, I just wanted to say, great job on the map but, Image:Canada_provinces_evolution.gif. I don't mean to be annoying or rude but your portrayal of Labrador is flawed. Labradors boundaries came into being when Newfoundland joined confederation in 1949. Prior to that Labrador was only a thin strip of land along the east coast, and was granted land from the Northwest Territories. I do not know how to edit animated gifs otherwise I would fix it myself I have provided links to the official Atlas of Canada 1st and 2nd edition that was produced by the Canadian government 1906 Atlas 1915 Atlas Thanks --Cloveious 14:00, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't at all claim to be an expert on the subject, but what I do know is that the boundaries of Pre-1949 Labrador shown in the Atlas of Canada referenced, were established by the proclamation of 1763, and due to misreading of the law, eventually allowed Labrador to claim title to land as far inland as the watersheds of rivers that run into Labrador and drained into the Atlantic and St. Lawrence. The 1927 boundary commission as far as I understand, agreed that Labrador was entitled to these claims and advised the King, but honestly I don't see evidence the new boundary was implemented until Newfoundland joined confederation in 1949, but I could be wrong, perhaps contemporary periodicals from that era would hold the answer. --Cloveious 09:53, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

infobox on Gonzales

If you leave the resignation announced, effective X date in,
then you don't get the random IP editor messing with the date anymore,
or insisting that the actual end date is known, plus you have the advantage that the text is true on its face--merely announced to be effective on X date.
It might save everyone angst. -- Yellowdesk 03:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Let's try this again

One last time. If I wasn't interested in a two way discussion, I wouldn't have wasted my time posting , now would I?

Let me explain why I think you are Kian's pet. It goes way back, years, in fact.

- - Years ago, an editing war broke out over SkyOS. Kian, who has no connection to the project and has never used it, decided to edit it, accusing the developers of using GPL'd code and "stealing" from BeOS. He made sure to make edits that compared SkyOS unfavourably to BeOS.

- - He knew nothing about SkyOS besides what he read on the website and what he heard via rumor and when this was pointed out to him, he attacked us.

- - I, in my ignorance, decided to tinker with his user page. This is where you come in. You asked how the dispute could be settled and I suggested that if Kian refrained from editing SkyOS, I would refrain from going anywhere near his user page. It seemed a fair enough compromise and it would call for trust on both sides.

- - Know what you said? You said "Kian can edit any page he wants". That's right. None of us can go to his page, but heck, Kian can edit anything. That's what promoted a couple of us to leave Misplaced Pages (including Hexydes). Until Kian got his job and didn't have time to edit Misplaced Pages he would verbally assault other people and bend the rules knowing that you'd protect him. After all he could "edit any page he wants".

- - Don't you see? You were more worried about vandalism than looking at the big picture, how disputes could be handled. It was my way or the highway. You vandalized his page! No compromise! See what you unleashed?

- - It's such a shame. Woomia 13:05, 28 August 2007 (UTC)