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| *'''Comment'''. People, you are missing an improtant fact: the article ] is an ] by user:Ludvikus of the earlier created article ]. I tried to convince Ludvikus that keeping '''two''' copies of the same text is not allowed in wikipedia. I was met with extreme vitriolic animosity and accusations that I spread anti-Semtitsm. I left a request for "third opinion", but it was not ignored (I guess everyone is afraid to touch it with a long pole or simply does no care). I request again to join my attempts to remove the duplication of the text. `'] 16:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC) | *'''Comment'''. People, you are missing an improtant fact: the article ] is an ] by user:Ludvikus of the earlier created article ]. I tried to convince Ludvikus that keeping '''two''' copies of the same text is not allowed in wikipedia. I was met with extreme vitriolic animosity and accusations that I spread anti-Semtitsm. I left a request for "third opinion", but it was not ignored (I guess everyone is afraid to touch it with a long pole or simply does no care). I request again to join my attempts to remove the duplication of the text. `'] 16:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
| **Ouch, you are certainly right that JB and TJB needs to be merged / deforked. Isn't forking a clearly disruptive action? --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 16:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC) | **Ouch, you are certainly right that JB and TJB needs to be merged / deforked. Isn't forking a clearly disruptive action? --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 16:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
| ***Fork? Fork you '''Mikka''' (just kidding). You're misrepresenting my position, which nis simply this '''] → ]. Thereafter, I think that antisemitic explanation (the former article) that there is some merit to saying that Bolshevism is Jewish because "some" or "many" Jews happen to be Bolsheviks. Hey, I've met stupid Poles - but I would never say that being Polish means being Stupid!!! --] 16:45, 17 October 2007 (UTC) | ***Fork? Fork you '''Mikka''' (just kidding). You're misrepresenting my position, which nis simply this ''']''' → ''']'''. Thereafter, I think that antisemitic explanation (the former article) that there is some merit to saying that Bolshevism is Jewish because "some" or "many" Jews happen to be Bolsheviks. Hey, I've met stupid Poles - but I would never say that being Polish means being Stupid!!! --] 16:45, 17 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Comment'''. I get dizzy just by looking at all these so called proposals. First, to delete the top article, than to merge another article into yet another article and finally to merge the merged article into a deleted article. Why don’t we just send the whole thing into ] instead and have Captain ] sort it out for us. I suggest you read the archived debate of an earlier bad nom at ] and than think about how difficult to reach is encyclopaedic impartiality among articles relating to history of ]. Speaking of User:Ludvikus, I had to contend with his vulgar, repetitious attacks on me regarding yet another article on European affairs just recently.. --] ] 16:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC) | *'''Comment'''. I get dizzy just by looking at all these so called proposals. First, to delete the top article, than to merge another article into yet another article and finally to merge the merged article into a deleted article. Why don’t we just send the whole thing into ] instead and have Captain ] sort it out for us. I suggest you read the archived debate of an earlier bad nom at ] and than think about how difficult to reach is encyclopaedic impartiality among articles relating to history of ]. Speaking of User:Ludvikus, I had to contend with his vulgar, repetitious attacks on me regarding yet another article on European affairs just recently.. --] ] 16:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
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The Jewish Bolshevism
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Much of this article violates WP:NOR and WP:NOT#LINKS and WP:NOT#GUIDE. This article is essentially a repeat of the contents of Jewish Bolshevism article and a third duplicate article using the Polish name of Żydokomuna. These duplicate articles should be merged into Jewish Bolshevism. The following related article is included in this nomination for the above reasons:
Thanks, IZAK 10:57, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete and Merge to Jewish Bolshevism. IZAK 10:57, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletions. IZAK 11:04, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Keep but Delete the Antisemitic articles Jewish Bolshevism & Żydokomuna. These latter articles are merely Wikipedian efforts to show that there's merit to the Nazi claim that Bolshevism and Jewishness are one. --Ludvikus 12:40, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Merge & Delete The Jewish Bolshevism ← Jewish Bolshevism --Ludvikus 13:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Merge & Delete The Jewish Bolshevism ← Żydokomuna --Ludvikus 13:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. Is this a POV fork? —gorgan_almighty 12:56, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Have no idea what you mean. --Ludvikus 13:02, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, it is, and I have already told Ludvikus that this is inadmissible, but he refuses to comply, see my "comment" (no vote) below. `'Míkka 16:19, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Merge all to Jewish Bolshevism and subject to normal cleanup measures. The articles may indeed by anti-semitic, I haven't read closely enough to see. (On first glance I'm not sure where the anti-semitism is, unless it's now considered anti-semitic to mention the prominent role of some Jews in the founding of Soviet communism...!?) But the political epithet is highly notable, indeed, it's vital to understanding how the Nazi ideology prominently linked hatred of Jews with hatred of socialism. It's unfortunate that such articles may be magnets for unsavory POV, however, that doesn't obviate the necessity to cover the term as part of a complete and factual encyclopedia. And the correct title for coverage of that term, per WP:MOS, would be Jewish Bolshevism. <eleland/talkedits> 15:47, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- What's antisemitic is blaming the Jews by these statistics what the far out-numbering many millions of Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, and others, accomplished in maintaining and spreading Bolshevism and Communism. --Ludvikus 15:55, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Of course that would be anti-semitic. I'm not sure I saw where that blame is assigned, at least not in Jewish Bolshevism in it's present revision. The article makes it clear that although "A high percentage of ethnic Jews in comparison to the percentage of the total population took an active part in Bolshevik movement...The number of Jews in top administrative positions began to decline soon after 1917. It continued to shrink heavily in the 1930s when Stalin had his old comrades Kamenev and Zinoviev executed...Stalin had eliminated virtually all Jews from very high level government positions." One quoted article notes that "The fact that other minorities were also disproportionately highly represented did not greatly matter - there was no tradition of anti-Latvianism in Russia, nor were Latvians found in the very top positions. Nor did it matter that Jews were equally strongly represented among other anti-Communist parties of the left". It seems to treat the term fairly and properly AFAI can see. <eleland/talkedits> 16:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- What's antisemitic is blaming the Jews by these statistics what the far out-numbering many millions of Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, and others, accomplished in maintaining and spreading Bolshevism and Communism. --Ludvikus 15:55, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Keep, notable subject, although I support once suggest split between Jews and communism and Jewish Bolshevism. Please don't nominate multiplie articles for deletion in a single discussion; I have removed AfD tag from Zydokomuna; if you want to delete it create a separate discussion for it or gain consensus for merge on talk. PS. That said, as I suggested on talk of Zydokomuna article, it should probably be splits into Polish Jews and communism and Zydokomuna, and the conspiracy theory/slurr part could be merged into JB.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 16:08, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- See my remark below. `'Míkka 16:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. People, you are missing an improtant fact: the article The Jewish Bolshevism is an inadmissible fork by user:Ludvikus of the earlier created article Jewish Bolshevism. I tried to convince Ludvikus that keeping two copies of the same text is not allowed in wikipedia. I was met with extreme vitriolic animosity and accusations that I spread anti-Semtitsm. I left a request for "third opinion", but it was not ignored (I guess everyone is afraid to touch it with a long pole or simply does no care). I request again to join my attempts to remove the duplication of the text. `'Míkka 16:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Ouch, you are certainly right that JB and TJB needs to be merged / deforked. Isn't forking a clearly disruptive action? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 16:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Fork? Fork you Mikka (just kidding). You're misrepresenting my position, which nis simply this Jewish Bolshevism → The Jewish Bolshevism. Thereafter, I think that antisemitic explanation (the former article) that there is some merit to saying that Bolshevism is Jewish because "some" or "many" Jews happen to be Bolsheviks. Hey, I've met stupid Poles - but I would never say that being Polish means being Stupid!!! --Ludvikus 16:45, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Ouch, you are certainly right that JB and TJB needs to be merged / deforked. Isn't forking a clearly disruptive action? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 16:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. I get dizzy just by looking at all these so called proposals. First, to delete the top article, than to merge another article into yet another article and finally to merge the merged article into a deleted article. Why don’t we just send the whole thing into Deep Space Nine instead and have Captain Janeway sort it out for us. I suggest you read the archived debate of an earlier bad nom at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Żydokomuna and than think about how difficult to reach is encyclopaedic impartiality among articles relating to history of Eastern Europe. Speaking of User:Ludvikus, I had to contend with his vulgar, repetitious attacks on me regarding yet another article on European affairs just recently.. --Poeticbent talk 16:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)