| Revision as of 01:50, 26 October 2007 editMiltopia (talk | contribs)2,432 edits →Logs: remove commentary, my point is more that it's mentioned in the FoF← Previous edit | Revision as of 17:41, 26 October 2007 edit undoDurova (talk | contribs)Autopatrolled, Extended confirmed users, Pending changes reviewers, Rollbackers60,685 edits WP:TURNIPNext edit → | ||
| Line 16: | Line 16: | ||
| I'm not sure what wording would be appropriate so I won't suggest anything specific on the workshop, but I had a comment. 7 of the 14 links on the FoF about Alkivar's adminship link to logs; maybe a note about proper log entries should be included in the principles, either as a separate principle or under "]". ] 01:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC) | I'm not sure what wording would be appropriate so I won't suggest anything specific on the workshop, but I had a comment. 7 of the 14 links on the FoF about Alkivar's adminship link to logs; maybe a note about proper log entries should be included in the principles, either as a separate principle or under "]". ] 01:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
| == ] == | |||
| A new essay I started yesterday, intended in general terms but specifically inspired by the multiple leniency experiments that have been proposed in this case. Basically, ''you can't squeeze blood from a turnip.'' Extreme gestures of good faith and leniency aren't necessary when an editor shows no hint of remorse. <font face="Verdana">]</font><sup>'']''</sup> 17:41, 26 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
Revision as of 17:41, 26 October 2007
Arbitrators active on this case
- To update this listing, edit this template and scroll down until you find the right list of arbitrators. If updates to this listing do not immediately show, try purging the cache.
Minor wording issue
Please may I suggest a minor word change for the remedy that states Alkiver is desysopped. I'm of personal belief that the words "stripped of his administrative privileges" is possibly a little heavy handed. How about something a little more neutral like "is to have his administrator privileges revoked". Just something for you to consider. Ryan Postlethwaite 15:25, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing even a smidgen of a difference in meaning between those two. Picaroon (t) 16:01, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe it's just a UK thing then, being stripped of something here is quite an abrupt term, I wouldn't exactly say incivil, just not the politest way to put something across. If you say that his tools are revoked, it sounds a little more official and a nicer way to convey it. There's no change in the actual meaning, just the way it is said. Ryan Postlethwaite 16:13, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
- "Stripped" doesn't have a negative connotation in the US... for example, it's actually the preferred term when an athlete loses a championship outside of the playing field. east.718 at 19:33, 10/25/2007
- There are a couple of wordings used in prior ArbCom decisions that mean basically the same thing. Decisions before this year used to read "X is desysopped," which is still used in the heading, but arbitrator UninvitedCompany introduced the alternative wording "X's administrator privileges are revoked". (UninvitedCompany also writes "Y's editing privileges are suspended for 1 year" instead of "Y is banned from Misplaced Pages for 1 year", but that has not caught on.) I doubt that Kirill was consciously suggesting in this decision that the wording be changed again.
- Personally, I don't care for "stripped," not so much because it is harsh but because it is incongruous in context. If a doctor is no longer allowed to practice medicine, the newspaper might report that he was "stripped of his license," but the regulatory decision certainly wouldn't put it that way.
- We won't even get into the question of whether the wording should say "administrative privileges" or "administrator privileges." Newyorkbrad 20:25, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
- Yep, no deep meaning intended here; it was just the first wording to occur to me. Please feel free to reword it using better terminology. Kirill 22:45, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
- "Stripped" doesn't have a negative connotation in the US... for example, it's actually the preferred term when an athlete loses a championship outside of the playing field. east.718 at 19:33, 10/25/2007
- Maybe it's just a UK thing then, being stripped of something here is quite an abrupt term, I wouldn't exactly say incivil, just not the politest way to put something across. If you say that his tools are revoked, it sounds a little more official and a nicer way to convey it. There's no change in the actual meaning, just the way it is said. Ryan Postlethwaite 16:13, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Logs
I'm not sure what wording would be appropriate so I won't suggest anything specific on the workshop, but I had a comment. 7 of the 14 links on the FoF about Alkivar's adminship link to logs; maybe a note about proper log entries should be included in the principles, either as a separate principle or under "Communication". Milto LOL pia 01:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
WP:TURNIP
A new essay I started yesterday, intended in general terms but specifically inspired by the multiple leniency experiments that have been proposed in this case. Basically, you can't squeeze blood from a turnip. Extreme gestures of good faith and leniency aren't necessary when an editor shows no hint of remorse. Durova 17:41, 26 October 2007 (UTC)