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Hi, I am beginner here, bear with me as I gather necessary data for this article. Carbo337 17:20, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

What will be relevant for an authentic article will be, where possible, to illustrate Jetsunma's experience and motivation for her accomplishments. This will distinguish from the mission and role illustrated in each organization. ZP

Mandarava

Hi! I was pleased to see you (from IP address 68.84.141.8) have been working on the Mandarava article. First, do you have a reference which could back up your statement that: "Jetsunma Ahkon Lhamo is a Mandarava emanation"? It would be great to be able to insert it as a footnote in both these articles.

The second point is more picky (and not really all that important) and is not meant to be critical, but I noticed you changed 'realised' to 'realized' and 'endeavoured' to 'endeavored'. Now, you may well already know all this - but, just in case, I thought I should point out that both spellings are acceptable - the first example of each of them are standard in almost all of the English-speaking world except the U.S. (in other words, more people use these spelling forms than the American ones) whereas the second forms are the ones most commonly used in the U.S. (and are the forms preferred on the American-based spelling checker in the Misplaced Pages). I just thought I should mention that those of us who use the older forms often prefer them and sometimes feel annoyed when we regularly have our quite correct forms of words changed to American standards of spelling.

See American and British English spelling differences for more examples if you are interested.

It may sound petty - but I thought I should just mention that there are millions of us out here who do feel some unease about the creeping Americanisms in the language (not to mention in other areas of culture). This is becoming very common now in many ways as computers are usually set to American standards as default in many ways (eg. dates are usually given with month, date, and then the year, whereas the most other English-speaking people use date, month, year in that order. thus, to us, 9/11 should be written 11/9. I think probably the best way is to leave the text with the spellings used by the authors (assuming they are 'correct' and not misspelled). Just a thought. Please don't take it the wrong way. All best wishes, John Hill (talk) 10:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi thanks for the clarifications. Working on further Mandarava references.

I thought my spell checked was doing me a service. I am indifferent about spellings. I won't comment on creepy Americanisms spellings, but I will say English's SVO grammatical structure in not true to the Tibetan's SOV non-dual intentions. I'll have to investigate past creepy English(ism) further. I pray as American's innovate the language, they will restore a greater non-dual intention. Unlikely, but it is a nice ideal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.84.141.8 (talk) 16:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Further note

I have just been checking further on this story and wonder if anyone can answer, or speak to, the rather serious allegations raised on the Talk Page of the article on Kunzang Palyul Choling? Thanks, John Hill (talk) 11:34, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi John, the sources for the history of Kunzang Palyul Choling and Jetsunma Ahkon Lhamo are well-documented in a book by Random House, The Buddha From Brooklyn, as well as former members. Longchenpa (talk) 15:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

An excellent source that references criticism expected to arise around Jetsunma is an article titled "What is the Relationship Between Emptiness and Beautiful Nails" by Editor in Chief Andrew Cohen from ? magazine, accessible on their website. Coorcomm26 (talk) 17:48, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you for your help with this. I have just read the article by Andrew Cohen and found it of great interest. I will try to get a copy of the book "The Buddha from Brooklyn" as I would like to know more about Jetsunma Ahkon Lhamo (and be able to discuss her as an emanation of Manadarava with some real knowledge). So, thanks again! All bes wishes, John Hill (talk) 03:56, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. The Buddha From Brooklyn was originally supposed to promote Jetsunma and KPC, with her and her students' full cooperation. But the author was a Washington Post Reporter whose mentor was Bob Woodward (he wrote a blurb for the cover). So the reporter also spoke to critics and former members. The depth of reporting and documentation that resulted was fair-minded, but not comfortable for Jetsunma or KPC. Longchenpa (talk)

Hi John, there is a reference to Jetsunma's emanation recognition now. (All, Any help to reference the reference would be appreciated.) Also, I do not believe Jetsunma endorses the book you seek. It is interesting however, I find myself asking about the author's intentions.Zulu Papa 5 (talk) 01:46, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

And of course, listening to Jetsunma's teachings that she has given is another way to learn more about her. Coorcomm26 (talk) 20:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I like the new material on Jetsunma's accomplishments. This puts me on a quest for her root teaching that inspired these efforts. Zulu Papa 5 (talk) 03:30, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Good grief. Who added this early days fantasy information? Longchenpa (talk) 05:03, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Fantasy? It's from the WIE article referenced above. Coorcomm26 (talk) 05:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd have to read the article. Is it available online? The details presented were a gloss of actual events. ETA: I've read it. This is a puff piece and the author says, "I don't know all the facts of Jetsunma's story." I prefer well-researched facts. Longchenpa (talk) 06:32, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Longchempa I hope you are being carefully towards Misplaced Pages:No_original_research with someone else's research or fantasy, Wiki folks have a preference for original research. If someone wants to read a referenced book, they can buy it. Zulu Papa 5 (talk) 22:39, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't prefer to having my original work cut out with out a valid reference or reason.Zulu Papa 5 (talk) 22:39, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

War Cry

I moved War Cry to its own page so as not to clutter the article and it was speed deleted by wiki folks. I suspect the best way to publish this work is to host it and with a link. I feel having it in the main article with out permission may be a copywright violation. Zulu Papa 5 (talk) 23:01, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Buddhism Series

I've reinstated this article to the Buddhism series, because it fits in the scope and is relevant.

• Stub-Class Tibet articles
• Unknown-importance Tibet articles
• WikiProject Tibet articles
• Stub-Class Buddhism articles
• Unknown-importance Buddhism articles
• Stub-Class biography articles
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