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Hello Ceedjee. I've transferred your comment from the changing username page to the help desk, where the question will be answered appropriately. You can view it here. Regards, Rudget _zŋ 20:25, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Rudget _zŋ 20:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Exactly

I must confess that when our mutual friend asserted that Palestine never existed, and that Hebron was in Israel, with that air of authority, I didn't know whether to drop him a note on the address of a good Jerusalem optometrist who might fit him out with a new set of spectacles, or to deplore the decline of education in the Soviet-Union or Russia, from where Mr Hockey hails. As a French girlfriend used to say when the improbable invariably occurred, 'Mais ce n'est pas possible!.' His ignorance wins the day, since the damage he did would take too long to repair, as is usual with Wiki. Cheers Nishidani (talk) 21:11, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Misunderstanding

Hi,
There is a big misunderstanding.
So I answered you on both the talk page on the article History of Israel and Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus.
Based what is published in the article from Ha'aretz, survival of the fittest, JaapBoBo has introduced in several articles that Benny Morris called the 1948 events an ethnic cleansing.
Ceedjee (talk) 08:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe I'm overlooking something, but I can't find that article. Could you please post a link to it on my talk page? Screen stalker (talk) 23:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

• Ceedjee (talk) 07:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

What "article" can't you find ? Ceedjee (talk) 07:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

The article I can't find is the Haaretz interview that you talk about that mentions Operation Dani and Operation Hiram, where Morris calls them ethnic cleansing. What's the URL for the transcript of that interview? Screen stalker (talk) 04:05, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your note

A reply awaits you on my talk page. Hertz1888 (talk) 07:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

my additions

Hi Ceedjee,

I understand your pov is different from mine, but I am not distorting the pov's of Morris or Teveth.

What I put in on Teveth in the Ben-Gurion article is sourced material. It's almost literally from the summary/review by Cesarani, so there's no distortion there by me. In fact the text before my edit was a distortion, because it said Teveth's 1985 book criticised later books by Flapan and Morris.

Also I do not distort Morris pov's. I only tend to refrain from adding Morris conclusions, while adding facts he has found.

Please, I would like to discuss all my changes with you on a basis of reason. I dislike you reversing a large number of edits of me at once, as you did on the 'Zionism' page. Can we discuss those changes on the talk page of that article?

--JaapBoBo (talk) 13:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

December 2007

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Zionism. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Oxymoron 14:24, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Curt incivility bordering on personal attacks

I wonder if you'd care to defend the following exchange:

• I make a lengthy post trying to grapple with the reliability of a claim about Mohammad Amin al-Husayni and chemical warfare, referencing a review of the source by a professor of international relations, and asking whether somebody is on a partisan campaign here, and you respond in full:

Yes. you. Ceedjee (talk) 09:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

• After further discussion, in which another editor points out seemingly fantastical elements of the story, you respond in full:

You guys who doen't know anything about the topic but only come to direct topics in function of the current palestinian-israeli conflict should be kept far away from wikipedia. Ceedjee (talk) 09:53, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Please try to avoid this type of thing in the future. Even if you have a valid point, it's not going to be made effectively by attacking other editors. <eleland/talkedits> 18:36, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I have made every effort to be civil over on that page, moreso since I am aware of the raw emotions which remain about the Holocaust, the 1947-48 events, and the role of al-Husayni. I thought I had been mostly successful in that effort. Can you tell me specifically what I am doing wrong in your view? <eleland/talkedits> 18:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Correction: I now see what you are referring to in your second comment. Perhaps I should not have implied that Zeq was editing on the basis of simply "not liking Husayni - or Palestinian generally?" However, I should note that my riposte came well after (for example) Zeq compared questioning source reliability to being aligned with David Irving, a notorious holocaust denier and antisemite - not an atypical remark from him, judging by the talk page, his Arbitration case, and his block log.

The reference to "somebody on a campaign here" was not intended to refer to any specific editor and was in any case a rhetorical question rather than an accusation. I apologize if it offended you, however, the remark was well-founded based on a review of the sources making the claim and the extensive cross-posting of that claim throughout the Misplaced Pages. <eleland/talkedits> 18:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Jabotinsky

• Jabotinsky riots*
  

The source is the official history of the Palestine Police Force: Horne, Edward (2003). A Job Well Done: A History of the Palestein Police Force 1920-1948. The extent of Jabotinsky and Rutenberg's political activism and military preparations before the Nebi Musa riots is often ignored, for obvious reasons. --Ian Pitchford (talk) 14:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

In March Jabotinsky began drilling 500-600 men (some of whom had been armed by Jabotinsky and Rutenberg) evey morning in Jerusalem. At the end of March Jabotinsky's men held their exercises in public view below the Mount of Olivers and then marched in formation through the streets of Jerusalem. Jabotinsky was clearly aware that the forthcoming Nebi Musa events would be highly charged, yet he still took action that could only inflame the situation. That's why he was arrested and sentenced to 15 years. --Ian Pitchford (talk) 19:41, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Personal attack

I appreciate that you labeled your personal attack on me with the heading "personal attack," however, your comments are still unwelcome. Your hyper-sensitivity to "personal attacks" (ie, mildly pointed commentary about the content of articles) juxtaposes oddly with your willingness to indulge in genuine personal attacks ("you don't know anything about this topic", "Guy, who do you think you are!", etc) at the drop of a hat.

On the substantive point, it's an embarrassment to Misplaced Pages that we would refuse to utter the words "Deir Yassin" without immediately rushing to clarify it was not an official Haganah operation. Especially since that "fact" isn't even well established, and we know that Haganah forces provided artillery support to quell defending villagers. <eleland/talkedits> 16:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Second point, and this one's serious.

• Your edit history begins less than one month ago (excepting your creation of a user page in March 2006.)
• On or slightly before 25 November you came to disagree with me on the content of Ilan Pappé's Misplaced Pages page. ()
• Over the next couple of weeks, you also came to disagree, quite vehemently, with my suggestions for improving Mohammad Amin al-Husayni‎.
• On 9 December, in the midst of your conflict with me on that page (), you showed up on NATO bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade to revert me (). This was your first edit to that obscure page, in fact, your first edit to any page not pertaining to Jews or Israel.
• Then on 14 December, in the midst of another disagreement with me (), you showed up to revert me on Serb propaganda (). This was your first edit to that obscure page, and your second edit to any page not pertaining to Jews or Israel.

It is clear that you are WP:STALKing me, reverting my edits as some sort of "revenge" for unrelated edits which you feel are inappropriate or unjustified. Given that you are clearly an experienced user operating under an alternate account (), you are probably aware that this is frowned upon. However, just in case you've forgotten: it's severely frowned upon and can get you WP:BLOCKed.

I ask you to acknowledge your error, apologize, and desist, or I may have to seek administrator intervention to stop you. <eleland/talkedits> 17:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)