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	*Seconded. That's all I'll say. ]] 21:35, 25 December 2007 (UTC)		*Seconded. That's all I'll say. ]] 21:35, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
	**One of the last articles I was the primary editor for was ]. I was assigned by my professor to write something in the style of a Misplaced Pages article on the topic, and I went further and actually worked on it solely on-site (with some minor edits from a few other editors for quality check). I am also involved in the writing of various articles for Japanese television programs that I am interested in. The most recent articles that I have been working on such that they contain factual material are ] and ]. I am involved in the authorship and upkeep of these and other similar articles such that they contain factual material and remain within Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines. I find it a real assumption of bad faith that you, Irpen, have suggested that I am not an article writer.—] (]) 21:54, 25 December 2007 (UTC)		**One of the last articles I was the primary editor for was ]. I was assigned by my professor to write something in the style of a Misplaced Pages article on the topic, and I went further and actually worked on it solely on-site (with some minor edits from a few other editors for quality check). I am also involved in the writing of various articles for Japanese television programs that I am interested in. The most recent articles that I have been working on such that they contain factual material are ] and ]. I am involved in the authorship and upkeep of these and other similar articles such that they contain factual material and remain within Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines. I find it a real assumption of bad faith that you, Irpen, have suggested that I am not an article writer.—] (]) 21:54, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

			== Edits to IRC-related page ==

			Hi,

			I wish I didn't have to write this but I do.

			In the course of 12 hours today, you have edit warred twice via 3RR on the page ]. Your activities
			:* You reverted three times in 4 hours, one edit which you disagreed with:
			:* You added four times a statement about Arbcom in the space of 9 minutes:
			:* You were at least .

			Giano, this pains me. But you know completely and well, what standards are expected. You know fully and well, how to handle disagreement, and the norms the community expects and aims for. You, like all of us, experienced users all, choose to make our point well or poorly, and these are made poorly. They are disruptive, they are uncivil, they may or may not be truths as you feel it, but we all at times have seen text become acepted we don't necessarily agree with - often strongly. We work to try and bridge gaps, but this is not bridging, this is disruptive and seeking (in famous words) to make a point.

			Your first series of reverts were reverts of John Reeves, and a revert of the same section added by Coredesat and Azatoth (with a removal in between). Your second series was additions despite the views of Ryulong and Betacommand. You may disagree with these, and it's widely accepted there are problems in that area (hence the discussion). But 3RR is a ] rule; its aim and spirit is to firmly quench certain forms of revert war behavior ''no matter who was in the right'', in favor of other approaches, and you know this as well as everyone. You know also that this must lead to some form of response more than mere words, if it were not to cease. Please, in friendship and respect, accept my hopes it will not happen again, because however valuable you are, this is not a style of action that will help the project you wish to improve. Shouting, disruption and name-calling rarely are.

			I don't plan to enter the drama, which is well established. I'm more than willing to discuss by email if productive. But these issues of 3RR, civlity, personal attacks, and the like, mustn't repeat, here or elsewhere. They will get nowhere except to cause you and the project harm, and they won't gain any positive side-benefits which couldn't have been gained equally in other ways too.

			I ask you this as a collaborator and colleague whose work on content I'm in awe of. I also ask you it as an admin who has the tough decision that if this isn't okay for a newcomer or "ordinary" editor (whatever that might mean), it's not going to be okay for you either. Please don't repeat.

			] <sup><span style="font-style:italic">(] \| ])</span></sup> 21:57, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Revision as of 21:57, 25 December 2007

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Old messages are at

Love the new image...

And merry Christmas to you, Giano! Mr Which ??? 20:49, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Allow me

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		I, Alex Bakharev (talk), award you this Defender of the Wiki in recognition of your brave actions in protection of English Misplaced Pages spirit and its policies from the abusers. Merry Christmas Alex Bakharev (talk) 10:10, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Alex - most appreciated. Giano (talk) 10:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

--Doc 15:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy Christmas to you too Doc! Giano (talk) 15:47, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas, Giano, and thanks for your help through out the last few months. SirFozzie (talk) 16:11, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Have a joyous Christmas, Giano! --Wetman (talk) 16:56, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to you also. Try not to let others on Misplaced Pages grind you down. LuciferMorgan (talk) 17:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Have a very happy one, Giano! Johnbod (talk) 17:49, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Although I'm more likely to wish you Merry Chrifsmas than Merry Christmas :) , here's wishing all the joy of the season (and none of the credit card bills) to you and yours... ++Lar: t/c 18:12, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to you, Giano! Mr Which ??? 18:29, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey! The tone of this page has improved remarkably. Let's try and find a pretty pic somewhere. Hey, look, instead of looking for an existing picture, I went an uploaded a new one and added it to an article! Who would have guessed things had changed so little in 159 years. Carcharoth (talk) 19:23, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Merry Christmas, Giano! Have a shot on me. east.718 at 20:31, December 24, 2007

Le gach dea-ghuí i gcomhair na Nollag agus na hAthbhliana - Sarah

Buon Natale

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Feliz Natal e Próspero Ano Novo! Húsönd 18:52, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Babbo Natale (talk) 19:27, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Feliz Navidad. Por un año nuevo mejor, eh. Thanks, SqueakBox 20:34, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Someone told me you were collecting these--Santa (talk) 21:42, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Not that you don't know

You've broken 3RR at WP:WEA. Cease these tedentious and retaliatory activities now, or you will be blocked.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Here is the dreadful and shocking truth that #IRC Admins are terrified that ordinary Wikipedians will find out . Three times in one evening it has been removed and denied. "The Arbcom has no control over #Admins!" Giano (talk) 21:10, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Do you have something constructive, or just more yellow journalism? If you have issues, go ask Jimbo, as he specifically stated to contact the arbcom or him with your greivances concerning the channel.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:11, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

It is like talking to a child "The Arbcom has no control over #Admins!" that was the finding of a long and laborious Arbcom case. Wake up! Now please revert yourself and put that back in the relevant page or I shall. Giano (talk) 21:13, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Don't you have something more constructive to do rather than edit a project page? Like prepare for Christmas dinner or write an article? You are an article writer, but whenever IRC comes up you resort to mudslinging.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:15, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

christmas dinner is long eaten in this part of the world, now rush up back to your precious channel and cook up with your friends some more ways of deleting truthful fact. Who lnows Tony may be back and recomending some more films for you all to watch. Giano (talk) 21:17, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of which, when did you, Ryulong, write an article for the last time? --Irpen 21:19, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Seconded. That's all I'll say. Mr Which??? 21:35, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
- One of the last articles I was the primary editor for was Control of fire by early humans. I was assigned by my professor to write something in the style of a Misplaced Pages article on the topic, and I went further and actually worked on it solely on-site (with some minor edits from a few other editors for quality check). I am also involved in the writing of various articles for Japanese television programs that I am interested in. The most recent articles that I have been working on such that they contain factual material are Kamen Rider Kiva and Engine Sentai Go-onger. I am involved in the authorship and upkeep of these and other similar articles such that they contain factual material and remain within Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines. I find it a real assumption of bad faith that you, Irpen, have suggested that I am not an article writer.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:54, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Edits to IRC-related page

Hi,

I wish I didn't have to write this but I do.

In the course of 12 hours today, you have edit warred twice via 3RR on the page Misplaced Pages:IRC channels/wikipedia-en-admins. Your activities

You reverted three times in 4 hours, one edit which you disagreed with: 11.35 11.47 15.28
You added four times a statement about Arbcom in the space of 9 minutes: 20.55 20.59 21.01 21.03
You were uncivil at least twice.

Giano, this pains me. But you know completely and well, what standards are expected. You know fully and well, how to handle disagreement, and the norms the community expects and aims for. You, like all of us, experienced users all, choose to make our point well or poorly, and these are made poorly. They are disruptive, they are uncivil, they may or may not be truths as you feel it, but we all at times have seen text become acepted we don't necessarily agree with - often strongly. We work to try and bridge gaps, but this is not bridging, this is disruptive and seeking (in famous words) to make a point.

Your first series of reverts were reverts of John Reeves, and a revert of the same section added by Coredesat and Azatoth (with a removal in between). Your second series was additions despite the views of Ryulong and Betacommand. You may disagree with these, and it's widely accepted there are problems in that area (hence the discussion). But 3RR is a bright line rule; its aim and spirit is to firmly quench certain forms of revert war behavior no matter who was in the right, in favor of other approaches, and you know this as well as everyone. You know also that this must lead to some form of response more than mere words, if it were not to cease. Please, in friendship and respect, accept my hopes it will not happen again, because however valuable you are, this is not a style of action that will help the project you wish to improve. Shouting, disruption and name-calling rarely are.

I don't plan to enter the drama, which is well established. I'm more than willing to discuss by email if productive. But these issues of 3RR, civlity, personal attacks, and the like, mustn't repeat, here or elsewhere. They will get nowhere except to cause you and the project harm, and they won't gain any positive side-benefits which couldn't have been gained equally in other ways too.

I ask you this as a collaborator and colleague whose work on content I'm in awe of. I also ask you it as an admin who has the tough decision that if this isn't okay for a newcomer or "ordinary" editor (whatever that might mean), it's not going to be okay for you either. Please don't repeat.

FT2 21:57, 25 December 2007 (UTC)