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| == A City Warning == | |||
| why'd you delete A City Warning? They meet WP:BAND. They have a RECORDING CONTRACT therefore they are notable. Afd if you must. ] (]) 12:36, 19 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Re: Menu thing... == | |||
| Thanks. I assume anything we find on Wiki is ok to use on Wiki given the licensing. I thought you had something pretty cool, especially the links to the statistics. I'm still not sure how it all works. The bottom three icons are a mystery to me. Thanks again for fixing it. ] (]) 14:51, 21 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Jeffpw issue== | |||
| Noting that you had blocked him for civility issues arising out of edit-warring, I thought maybe you might want to take a gander at some rather uncivil statements made in both article edit summaries (), article discussions () and his user talk page (, ) before accusing me of harassment (, , , ) . I think maybe he's just having a 'wrong side of the bed week', but the comments seem to have moved beyond simple dissent and straight on the uncivil and personal attack side. Your thoughts? - ] ] 17:49, 21 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| I reverted your edits in regards to this organization. It's not a full University, and thus doesn't qualify for inclusion where you've tried to place it. That's why places likes ] aren't listed for example. ] (]) 05:54, 24 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :That doesn't matter. It's a purely religious institution and has the name "College" as well. ] (]) 05:59, 24 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Still not a University. Saying so doesn't make it one. ] (]) 05:17, 28 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::Your evidence doesn't mean anything. It's just ]. Tyndale and the other one are only religious seminaries. Nothing more. ] (]) 05:27, 28 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Your insistence that they ''are'' Universities is clouding your judgment. You cannot turn a rabbit into a hen. ] (]) 05:40, 28 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| It's not listed . ] (]) 06:08, 28 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I can't access that article. You should know that a site that requires registration isn't acceptable as a source. You're an admin. You should know better. ] (]) 06:13, 28 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::The brief part I did read said "university college status" meaning... NOT A FULL UNIVERSITY. ] (]) 06:17, 28 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::Granting a degree != University. Ontario Colleges too award degrees. ] (]) 06:19, 28 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I mean this in the nicest, best possible good faith way. The page wouldn't load. ] (]) 06:32, 28 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I got it to load. We have conflicting reports. One link says "university status" another says "university college status." I suggest we take this discussion to the List of Uni in Canada talk page so we can invite others to talk about it with us. ] (]) 06:33, 28 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == What constitutes an edit vs. a revert== | |||
| Just a question about 3RR. <br> | |||
| 1) If I edit text (not an undo) that had been stable for days, on a page and <br> | |||
| 2) another editor reverts my edit. (that editor had not made any edits to the page in several days) <br> | |||
| 3) I later revert his edit.<br> | |||
| Is my first edit considered a revert? (#1 above) | |||
| == Main Page == | |||
| Could you please change the main article's featured article image to Image:Tikse monastery.jpg since this image is clearer, less blurry, more appealing and shows the same subject. Thanks. ] (]) 04:08, 26 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Hi. The reason for protecting {{la|Jesus}} is not readily apparent. Could you point out the dispute in question? Thanks. --] (]) 20:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hello, the edit-warring has resumed. FYI. ]] 23:30, 27 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Oh well, just remember, no good deed ever goes unpunished ;) --] (]) 04:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hello- thank you for protecting the page. However, you've done so on a bad version- ] had recently added some OR material which, while being a valid assessment, is sourced only to scripture (and therefore can be considered to be unsourced in the manner presented). This isn't pressing, but Juanholanda is endorsing only one viewpoint (as you could probably see, he continues to deny the ambiguity of the word commonly translated as "brother"- a word which, even in English, has several possible meanings.--] (]) 06:13, 28 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == China == | |||
| I see. Sorry for not informing you. If you see fit to protect it again, please do. ''''']]]''''' 19:00, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Unprotection request == | |||
| Since you protected the page, I thought you should be aware that I have ] for ]. Thanks! ] (]) 06:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Hi. You offered him a conditional unblock. Since then I have been in discussion with this user, mainly on his talk page. I wondered if you could come and leave a message clarifying some things. The user appears to think that as he has moved house, he is allowed to create a , I have explained that this is block evasion, but the user disagrees. I am not sure what course of action should be taken on the new account, or existing. Thank you. <span style="border:1px solid #433">]<font style="color:#433;background:#433">-</font>]</span> 15:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| : ] - nuff said ;) <span style="border:1px solid #433">]<font style="color:#433;background:#433">-</font>]</span> 19:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :: Thanks. A if he hadn't put the helpme tags on his page, probably would have not noticed ;) <span style="border:1px solid #433">]<font style="color:#433;background:#433">-</font>]</span> 20:11, 2 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::: The user appear to have comply changed. He has been spending quite a bit of time expanding the article as requested by yourself. He is very civil and thrives on the advise I have given him for improvement for the article. He has placed another unblock request on his talk page. Please could you look over the changes and review his block. Thank you. <span style="border:1px solid #433">]<font style="color:#433;background:#433">-</font>]</span> 19:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Thanks == | |||
| Thanks for you time and understanding! <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - ''']''' - 04.01.2008 09:39</small> | |||
| == Regarding Republic of China article == | |||
| Hi, | |||
| I made some changes to the article called "The Republic of China" to make it more politically neutral. I understand that trying to call Taiwan a country is your poilitical position, but according to the rules of The Misplaced Pages, the articles here should be neutral and impersonal. | |||
| Most of the countries (at least 170 out of 190) recognize Taiwan as a part of PRC and the Republic of China as history. So please, respect the opinion of International community and my time also. | |||
| Thank you, | |||
| ] (]) 14:57, 4 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Your recent unblock == | |||
| Nat: | |||
| Please know that I’m not trying to antagonize you in any way, but I am concerned about your recent lifting of the block of ], especially the edit summary where you wrote that admin ] had used “a punitive measure rather than a preventive measure”. I’ve looked at it, and I can’t see how you’ve come to that conclusion, or why it is that you unblocked Pedro (and please note, I am not asking for you to overturn your unblock). Pedro has been here over a year, and just recently filed a 3RR report himself , so it isn’t that he’s unaware of the policy. | |||
| Sometimes I’ve seen people unblocked from a 3rr block with a summary along the lines of “User promised to be good”, but I don’t see him doing that here at all. Oh, in fact, as I’m in the middle of composing this note, I see that Pedro has gone right back to edit-warring on the page, making the same edit he was blocked for reinserting: . | |||
| I wouldn’t even bother you with this, but I’m concerned that in the area of Israel/Palestine edits, both sides need to be treated equally, otherwise it just ratchets up the tension. Thanks for your attention. <font color="green">]</font> 16:09, 4 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == A request for your consideration regarding ] == | |||
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| ! style="background-color: #ff9; font-weight:normal;" |Hello fellow ] category member! | |||
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| I am leaving you this message because recent events have given me concern. When Aaron ] and I, and others, first developed this category well over a year ago, we visualized it as a simple idea. A low hassle, low bureaucracy process. We also visualized it as a process that people would come to trust, in fact as a way of increasing trust in those admins who chose to subscribe to the notion of recall. The very informal approach to who is qualified to recall, what happens during it, and the process in general were all part of that approach. | |||
| But recent events have suggested that this low structure approach may not be entirely effective. More than one of the recent recalls we have seen have been marred by controversy around what was going to happen, and when. Worse, they were marred by some folk having the perception, rightly or wrongly, that the admin being recalled was trying to change the rules, avoid the process, or in other ways somehow go back on their word. This is bad. It's bad for you the admin, bad for the trust in the process, and bad for the community as a whole. | |||
| I think a way to address this issue is to increase the predictability of the process in advance. I have tried to do that for myself. In my ] page, I have given pretty concrete definitions of the criteria for recall, and of the choices I can make, and of the process for the petition, and of the process for other choices I might make (the modified RfC or the RfAr). I think it would be very helpful if other admins who have voluntarily made themselves subject to recall went to similar detail. It is not necessary to adopt the exact same conditions, steps, criteria, etc. It's just helpful to have SOME. Those are mine, fashion yours as you see fit, I would not be so presumptuous as to say mine are right for you. In fact I urge you not to just adopt mine, as I do change them from time to time without notice, but instead develop your own. You are very welcome to start with mine if you so wish, though. | |||
| But do something. If you have not already, I urge you to make your process more concrete, now, while there is no pressure and you can think clearly about what you want. Do it now rather than later, during a recall when folk may not react well to perceived changes in process or commitment. | |||
| Further, I suggest that after you document your process, that you give a reference to it for the benefit of other admins who may want to see what others have done. List it in ] as a resource for the benefit of all. If you use someone else's by reference rather than copy, I suggest you might want to do as Cacharoth did, and give a link to a specific version. | |||
| Do you have to do these things? Not at all. These are suggestions from me, and me alone, and are entirely up to you to embrace or ignore. I just think that doing this now, thinking now, documenting now, will save you trouble later, if you should for whatever reason happen to be recalled. | |||
| I apologise if this message seems impersonal, but with over 130 members in the category, leaving a personal message for each of you might not have been feasible, and I feel this is important enough to violate social norms a bit. I hope that's OK. Thanks for your time and consideration, and best wishes. | |||
| Larry Pieniazek | |||
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| NOTE: You are receiving this message because you are listed in ]. This is a voluntary category, and you should not be in it if you do not want to be. If you did not list yourself, you may want to review ] to determine who added you, and ask them why they added you. | |||
| |} ...My guinea pigs and the "A"s through "K"s having felt this message was OK to go forward with (or at least not complained bitterly to me about it :) ), today it's the turn of the "L"s through "O"s! I'm hoping that more of you chaps/chapettes will point to their own criteria instead of mine :)... it's flattering but a bit scary! :) Also, you may want to check back to the table periodically, someone later than you in the alphabet may have come up with a nifty new idea. ++]: ]/] 00:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
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