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#:::::::::::: Well you prefaced that statement with an allegation of me stalking you, specifically: " I am concerned with his attitude and would like your feedback regarding his edits, most recently on the Kyle Field talk page. He has made numerous misquoted, misleading, hostile, and threatening statements, to try and get his way. He has carried this "technique" over to almost every major page I have touched. No end is in sight." #:::::::::::: Well you prefaced that statement with an allegation of me stalking you, specifically: " I am concerned with his attitude and would like your feedback regarding his edits, most recently on the Kyle Field talk page. He has made numerous misquoted, misleading, hostile, and threatening statements, to try and get his way. He has carried this "technique" over to almost every major page I have touched. No end is in sight."
#:::::::::::: You've now reaffirmed that allegation here, which goes a long way to demonstrate all the very good reasons that you aren't ready to be an administrator and likely won't be for a very long time. ] (]) 19:59, 1 February 2008 (UTC) #:::::::::::: You've now reaffirmed that allegation here, which goes a long way to demonstrate all the very good reasons that you aren't ready to be an administrator and likely won't be for a very long time. ] (]) 19:59, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
#:::::::::::: Well, from what I see, if you preface your edits with disclaimer statements, and wikilawyer enough policy links, you can do whatever you want around here. Is there anything you endear more than winning on a point.] (]) 18:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC) #:::::::::::: Marvelous,(131.44.121.252 belongs to the US Government), my hard earned tax dollars at work. Well, from what I see, if you preface your edits with disclaimer statements, and wikilawyer enough policy links, you can do whatever you want around here. Is there anything you endear more than winning on a point.] (]) 18:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
#'''Oppose'''. Considering that this user technically meets most of my standards, as an active user, I still must oppose. The userpage(s) are overly promotional; this self-nom is too soon; the user has demonstrated immaturity; the user's answers are very poor. I'm not going to belabor these and other points raised by others against the gentleman. Sorry, sir. ] (]) 17:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC) #'''Oppose'''. Considering that this user technically meets most of my standards, as an active user, I still must oppose. The userpage(s) are overly promotional; this self-nom is too soon; the user has demonstrated immaturity; the user's answers are very poor. I'm not going to belabor these and other points raised by others against the gentleman. Sorry, sir. ] (]) 17:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
#:This isn't a challenge to your oppose, but I don't think you should refer to an officer in the United States Air Force as having "demonstrated immaturity". You have every right to oppose an RfA candidate, but please show some respect to those who are serving their country. ]<sup>]</sup> 17:25, 1 February 2008 (UTC) #:This isn't a challenge to your oppose, but I don't think you should refer to an officer in the United States Air Force as having "demonstrated immaturity". You have every right to oppose an RfA candidate, but please show some respect to those who are serving their country. ]<sup>]</sup> 17:25, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

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BQZip01

Voice your opinion (talk page) (22/22/5); Scheduled to end 03:06, 3 February 2008 (UTC) BQZip01 (talk · contribs) - self nom — BQZip01 —  03:08, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I would like to be an admin to further the goals of Misplaced Pages and prevent abuse/vandalism by editors. I intend to peruse the various WP:AN pages and assist where needed, with a focus on the WP:3RR and WP:SSP pages. I would also use admin privileges to prevent edit wars as much as possible through semi-protecting/protecting pages before they get too badly into such a conflict.

My recent edit history (check the September-November timeframe) has given me more insight into the RfC and dispute process. While attempting to prevent vandalism, I was caught up in an edit war over a subject on which I was an expert. While I was blocked for WP:3RR, I know more about the policy now and have not violated it since (nor have I ever been blocked for violating any other policy). Additionally, in hindsight, some of my actions (which I hereby renounce) may be seen as inappropriate, though my general feelings about anyone actively editing my user page remain, and I vow never to repeat those specific actions as they do not reflect well upon myself or Misplaced Pages.

Several things in my previous failed nomination are important to note:

  1. I believe certain accusations of canvassing were out of line and misleading in the previous nomination. I asked for a review, and not support. In no way did I ever intend to bias the process, only to let users I knew that I was applying to be an admin and that their feedback was appreciated. While some debate remains on this issue (see the talk page), I am resubmitting this time with no notifications whatsoever. Hopefully, together, we can come up with some way to allow users to notify those with whom they have collaborated that they are trying to become an administrator without undue influence. In the interests of clarity and avoiding undue influence, I request that any user I contacted in my previous nomination annotate as such and only respond in the neutral section. If you choose to support or oppose me, I request that you mark that I contacted you on my previous RfA.
  2. Several people opposed because of "a vague answer to" Question 1, without bothering to ask any additional questions. I would have been happy to expand my answer upon request; I have expanded my initial response accordingly.
  3. Several people asked questions on my last RfA. I have included them and my improved answers here as well.

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants: Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: I intend to work primarily in the WP:AN sections with a focus on WP:3RR and WP:SSP. I will also continue to monitor pages in which I have an interest for edit warring and disruptive editing. I will NOT block a user with whom I have a disagreement, but will report it to the appropriate WP:AN page.
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: My best contributions to Misplaced Pages are the following articles: Fightin' Texas Aggie Band and Aggie Bonfire. Both have been featured as Today's Featured Article on the main page. As a user with less than 7000 edits, less than a year of experience, and a full-time job, having 2 articles of which I was a substantial contributor featured on the main page within 100 days of each other is one of my proudest Misplaced Pages contributions. I have also done my best to review other articles for FA status; though I am not always as tediously thorough as I once was, I certainly have added to the FAC process as much as I could. Additionally, I have been trying recently to have more patience with other editors and serve more as a facilitator of discussion to limit conflict and prevent/limit stress for others.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: Yes, primarily with Fightin' Texas Aggie Band and its day as the Featured Article. Initially, I handled it well, but as time wore on, it quickly devolved into rehashing the same argument over and over (on both sides). Quite frankly, that experience wore me out. However, I quickly realized that a speedy response wasn't necessary, no matter how sharp the criticism was. In any situation, by delaying a response for a day (or more), both sides of a discussion are forced to cool down. In my case, the conflict subsided rather quickly. Furthermore, by initiating a slowdown, those who want a quick fiery death for a perceived archnemesis (colorful language used strictly for effect), are disappointed and move along.

Optional Question from jj137 (from previous RfA)

4. Could you explain the difference between a block and a ban?
A. I certainly can go into more detail if you desire, but the short version is that a block is technical restraint on editing privileges (usually in response to a specific action, though other cumulative actions can be cause for a block too), while a ban "is a formal revocation of editing privileges on all or part of Misplaced Pages." A block is the primary mechanism by which a ban can be enforced if a user does not abide by a partial ban or has been banned from Misplaced Pages altogether. If this does not answer your question, I would be happy to expand to include further details (who can block, who can ban, etc.) —  BQZip01 —  03:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Optional Question from Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 03:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC) (from previous RfA)

5. Can you name a specific time in which you have greatly helped another user?
A:: I am of the mentality that users should be not be "given a fish", but taught "how to fish". I have recently been reviewing WP:SSP nominations. While there, I gave User:Arbiteroftruth some feedback and this was his response. I have received other such compliments in the FAC process.
Additionally, and in a more general sense, I think I have helped an entire class of users, specifically those trying to get an article to FA status. By helping them beef up their articles and writing a guide describing how to get my support in an FAC, many users now have concrete answers how to fix an article to meet technical WP:MOS criteria.

Optional Question from Fnlayson (from previous RfA)

6. What will your approach on handling/blocking vandals and disruptive users? Fair but tough or what? Thanks.
A: In general, I intend to give vandals fair warning (several warnings on the user page with a ramped up intensity). If they are a user who shows no intent of slowing down despite numerous warnings, then they should be blocked. If someone is a registered user with a long edit history, I intend to give them a warning of my own (as an admin) before blocking, unless actions are egregious. I am also not above conversing with vandals if there is a dispute. In such a case, I would request another admin come in for a second look and review my actions. In short, fair, but tough. — BQZip01 —  05:29, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Optional Question from Trusilver (from previous RfA)

7. You have suggested that you have an interest in working with vandals and disruptive users. The procedures for warning and blocking vandals are well known. My question to you is: In what situations do you feel that its necessary to deviate from the outlined procedures? Under what circumstances to do you feel that it is necessary to block users without having exhausted the steps of warning? I'm not asking for you to go through and research rules on this either - I'm asking for you own words and thoughts on this matter.
A: I feel this is a bit of a trick question because there are no specifics. You are asking me to speculate on what I would do in an vague situation. A concrete answer is not possible in this case. In general, I simply would do what I thought was right. If shown to be wrong, I would simply revert my changes/rescind a block with a notation that I was in the wrong; almost all actions on Misplaced Pages can be undone.

Optional Question from The Transhumanist (from previous RfA)

8. What tools have you made extensive use of, and what did you do with them?
A: I use WP:TWINKLE and the semi-automated peer review. I use Twinkle to help do reverts quickly and the semi-automated peer review to help review FACs (including my own). As an admin, I would be more interested in closing requests/acting upon the results and preventing edit wars/vandalism through blocks, semi-protecting, etc. As a Computer Science major, I feel my technical competence is sufficient to learn how to use many admin tools. I will use them as necessary, but I can always resort to using manual methods. I am open to any advice as to how to use certain tools.

Optional questions by DarkFalls

9. When is the use of a fair use image justified?
A: A fair use image may be used provided "...they meet both the legal criteria for fair use, and Misplaced Pages's own guidelines for non-free content." The ten big reasons an image may be used are: no free equivalent, respect for commercial opportunities, minimal usage/minimal extent of use, previous publication, meets general Misplaced Pages content requirements/is encyclopedic, Misplaced Pages:Image use policy, one-article minimum, its presence must significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic/omission would be detrimental to that understanding, are ONLY allowed in the mainspace of articles, and attribution/copyright info/fair use rationale for each instance. If this answer is not sufficient, I will be happy to expand/clarify; just please ask me to do so.
10. In what situation are you allowed to use a fair use image when a free image is available?
A: You cannot use a fair use image when a free image is available. I contend that, with flight rules in the U.S. after 9/11 and modifications to the stadium since that time, the image in question cannot be duplicated and a free use image is not available. That said, the image in question does not meet the requirements to be in Misplaced Pages (doesn't have an article in which it can be used) and should remain removed at this time unless consensus changes. — BQZip01 —  07:01, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Optional question by Lawrence Cohen

11. Your last RFA was just this month, weeks ago. Why so soon? What has changed in the past few weeks? In regards to your comment on my talk page, I am looking again. Lawrence § t/e 08:03, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
A: The majority of the opposition seemed to stem from canvassing allegations and a lack of detail in question 1. Since this appeared to be the primary problem, I decided to wait a few weeks and reapply, this time with a much expanded answer to question 1 and no requests (in fact bending over backwards to prevent any accusations along those lines). Additionally, certain answers were not as complete as they could have been, so I expanded the answers. I appreciate your consideration. — BQZip01 —  08:20, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Questions from Avruch

12. Do you think the opposition based on canvassing in the prior RfA came because opposers thought it poisoned the process, or because they thought it demonstrated a lack of understanding of important policies and observed customs?
A: I think it was any of the above one or a combination them. For those that thought it poisoned the process, I would have been happy to mitigate any such responses by annotating as to whom I requested review the nomination; weight on their opinions could have given accordingly in the review. As for "observed customs", those are not policies or guidelines. That someone comes into a discussion and doesn't know them, it should not be held against them. Furthermore, I would question the validity of anyone opposing based on a "custom" that isn't codified anywhere and exists only in a limited community (While "we've never done it that way before" is certainly something that may raise eyebrows, it doesn't mean it is "wrong", but that it goes against the norm. That isn't necessarily bad and perhaps the "custom" needs to be changed or written down in a guideline/policy). The discussion on the talk page following my last RfA leads me to believe the issue of "canvassing" or "friendly notices" is not clear cut and that a middle ground likely exists. I do not believe such actions demonstrated a lack of understanding of any policies because no Misplaced Pages "policies" applied (If you were trying to get me on a trick question, that was a good one. Nicely phrased! :-) ). While WP:CANVASS is not a policy, it is a good guideline which I felt I followed to the letter and with its intent in spirit. If you disagree, I have still taken steps to ensure that any residual feedback from those friendly notices (that's how I intended them) was mitigated and made assurances that I will not repeat such notices in the future in the interests of making the process as transparent as possible (see the answer to question #1). No malice/votestacking/etc. was intended.
13. Has anything changed since your last RfA that would mitigate the second view above?
A: Answer incorporated above.

Question from Adam1213

14.: You say that one of the things you will focus on is WP:3RR. What exactly do you intend on doing regarding WP:3RR --Adam1213 Talk 05:03, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
A: For a while, there was quite a backlog in that WP:AN section, though it ebbs and flows from week to week. I would intend to go through and act upon violations placing blocks where appropriate and explaining why others weren't blocked (i.e. no violation of WP:3RR).
14b.: Why do you think that the 3RR rule exists, what do you thinks its purpose is? Do you think that blocking people for 3RR violations that they did in the past, in a backlog is useful? --Adam1213 Talk 05:46, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
A: The 3RR rule exists to prevent edit warring. It doesn't always work, but it is a speedbump that, we hope, stops things from getting out of hand. However, The three revert rule is an electric fence, not an entitlement. The 3RR is intended as a means to stop sterile edit wars. It does not grant users an inalienable right to three reverts every twenty-four hours or endorse reverts as an editing technique. Persistent reversion remains strongly discouraged and is unlikely to constitute working properly with others. I think that blocking people for past acts...is what we do; kinda hard to block them for future acts... but I assume you mean acts far in the past. In that case, I would refrain from blocking them, though I might warn them on their talk page as a friendly reminder or suggest the complaining party do the same. If someone is repeatedly violating it, punishments should rise accordingly. In a backlog, it all depends how long the backlog is. If it is a few hours? days? weeks? months? It's all a matter of perspective. Basically hours: yes; days: probably, but I'll temper it on severity and time since last edit. Weeks: probably not, except in extreme cases. Months: I can't imagine dong anything other than a note on their talk page.

Optional Question from The Transhumanist

15. What tools do you use?
A: I use WP:TINKLE and the semi-automated peer review. I am certainly open to using others should I find them useful.
16. What, in your opinion, is wrong with the RfA process?
A: In my humble opinion (and from my limited experience), I don't believe that the process has enough oversight or someone watching it. The WP:FA process seems to run much smoother with a bit of moderation from one of the bureaucrats. While I don't always agree with him, it still gives a useful stick from which to measure. His insight and depth of experience in this area also allow for some consistency in the rules and clarification when necessary (he will even interject comments like "this is not an actionable objection"), which here could allow for a smoother process with a more structured approach. I would like to stress that everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion and can object for any reason. In the FA, you can object to an article becoming an FA, but you need to give a correctable reason that is part of the requirements for an FA. If you object because you don't like someone, your opinion will be ignored.
I think the RfA process as it is currently structured allows for retribution for perceived wrongs. If I am in a discussion with someone and they think I am wrong, the entire discussion can be brought here, not to the talk page.
In short, I think the entire process should be moderated by a bureaucrat and specific criteria developed for nominations (Specific levels need not be codified, but a simple way to say there are actual criteria, not just "I feel...". This isn't exactly a vote, is it?):
Oppose Fails RfAC (Request for Admin Criteria) , , , and .
Oppose Fails RfAC (Request for Admin Criteria) . If the user can show she knows the difference between a copyvio and fair use, I will be happy to change my opposition.
Support Candidate meets all criteria to a "T", especially #5. Makes me happy to support.
In short the process is so nebulous and arbitrary with little oversight that it seems to be a free-for-all and people can choose to object or oppose on a whim (though their opinions matter, if they are supporting or opposing for frivolous reasons, it should clearly be discounted.
17. If you don't become an admin this time, what do you think you will do over the next 6 months on Misplaced Pages?
A: I will likely continue my editing, perhaps working the Texas A&M Corps of Cadets article into an FA, who knows, preventing disruptive edits of articles on my watchlist through reverts and warnings, working with others to improve articles, putting my two cents in at WP:SSP and WP:3RR, and working on admin coaching (already have a coach). — BQZip01 —  21:36, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Optional Question from TomPhan

18.Do you think that an individual that uses the encyclopedia as a web site for personal matters can be trusted with admin tools?
A: I would take "This page is exclusively designed to give people an insight as to interests during the holiday season" at face value per WP:USER, unless shown otherwise. I also think people should be leery of users who's edit history (of a grand total of 3 edits) consists of 2/3rds feedback on RfAs.

Optional Question from Canyouhearmenow

19.As you can see, sometimes as an editor it is very difficult for others to see or feel empathy through our edits and remarks. As an admin it is even more difficult for others to know what you are feeling when making a decision on wikipedia policy enforcement especially when you are making one of those decisions on an article or project they are passionate about. How do you think you would handle an editor who is just as passionate about thier edits and making sure that they are not discouraged through your administrative role and decisions? Canyouhearmenow 22:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
A: I suggest reading my contributions to this article, its failed AfD, the subject's user page, and his edit history. I will be happy to give assistance as requested. Additionally, I also only intend to take cases for block/rejection that are pretty clear-cut (WP:3RR and WP:SSP). Anything done administratively at that point would be a violation of Misplaced Pages policy. I would be happy to warn them and explain the problem to help correct it, but anything taken that far is likely a problem anyway. I have only once (see above) fallen into that trap, so I don't see it as a problem I would explicitly deal with in administrative actions. — BQZip01 —  23:37, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

General comments

RfAs for this user:

Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/BQZip01 before commenting.

Discussion

  • Comment In the IfD two people have mentioned I stated that the image could be used as a fair use image, not that it was a free image. I already stated I had no opposition to its removal and clearly admitted it was not labeled properly. Discussion in the IfD regarded its use as original research, not whether it was a free image. Please read the entire discussion for more information. Furthermore, using the article cited...Derivative work#Vs._Fair_Use— BQZip01 —  04:28, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Eh... you cannot use a free image as fair use. Technically, that's impossible... As for the article link, sure you can do it, but it'll lead to ugly lawsuits. One case does not justify its use in US law. And if it is used as a fair use image, you would hardly use it on your userpage would you? "it certainly can be left on my user page and need not be deleted altogether.". As said by B, a free image can be used in its stead; so it would hardly qualify for fair use in the first place. — DarkFalls 04:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
      • To put the comment in context, it was made in reference to the image's legal status. As a fair use image, it could be used on Misplaced Pages in any capacity (this is a legal opinion, not Misplaced Pages policy, which is what I was trying to point out at the time). Misplaced Pages policy further limits fair use images and I addressed that later on. I still disagree that this particular image could have been duplicated for a number of reasons (see the IfD and the answers to your questions above for details). Furthermore, I personally removed the image from my user page as soon as I saw it could be considered a fair use image and stated as such on the IfD: "While I still think it is an appropriate image (not in violation with WP:OR), since it is no longer being used on the Kyle Field article, there is no longer a need for this fair use image on Misplaced Pages and it should be deleted. Furthermore, I will remove the image from my sub-user page. If a fair use reason for it comes up for it in the future, it can always be re-uploaded. I would like to reiterate that I still believe this was a tagging error, not a violation of WP:NOR.". The tag was wrong on the image and its use should have been limited to the article. This was a mistake on my part not realizing the fair use implications at the time I uploaded it. Since those weighing in on the article felt it didn't belong, and there was no use for the image elsewhere, it was rightly removed and I support that action 100%.
      • In short, I re-renounce any support of said image for use outside of the article page (since it would fall under Misplaced Pages's fair use rules). Since editors in the article page don't want it there, it has no viable fair use and should not be on Misplaced Pages unless consensus changes otherwise. — BQZip01 —  06:33, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
This page has been the source of so much discussion it simply isn't worth the time to argue over it, so I've removed it. — BQZip01 —  20:36, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Comment moved from above in question 18:

The question is itself obvious, we all know what the user space is for(and I could care less that you tie up a kb or 2 with personal matters). Your answer though tells us worlds of info on whether you are the type of individual that would say "Your right, I'll fix that right away", or an individual that when confronted would wili-lawyer, attack the messanger and divert the question. This whole RfA process is about 'snatching the pebble from our hand' grasshopper. Don't restle for the stone, come here with the right attitute and skills and you'll quickly be allowed to claim the prize.TomPhan (talk) 10:04, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


Support
  1. Support. Administrators have to be able to inspire trust, and BQZip01 does that for me, even though I may not agree with everything he's done or said. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 03:32, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
  2. Support I see no compelling reason not to give the candidate the tools. Ice Cold Beer (talk) 03:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
  3. Support I don't see a reason why he shouldn't be an administrator. Warrior4321Contribs 04:33, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
  4. Weak Support / Moral Support — I think you made the same mistake I did, but I will not hold it against you. I think you need a little more paitents in your pursuit of greater responsibility, but I have seen your capacity to remain cool in the face of heated debate and your willingness to meet others half way, therefore I offer my support for your rfa and moral support should this one fail. TomStar81 (Talk) 04:47, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
  5. Support. Just do it. Solid candidate. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 09:16, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
  6. Weak support - User:Dreamafter says it's been less than a month since the last RfA. However, he seems solid in other aspects, including his ability to maintain his cool when he is in a heated dispute. миражinred (speak, my child...) 15:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
  7. Support - No reason to assume any problems with this editor. ◄Zahakiel► 15:36, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
  8. Support - He and I are both involved in the Waterboarding arbitration case, and his comments there demonstrate level-headedness and a sound understanding of NPOV. I have no issue with the short lapse of time between the two RfAs; IMO the previous RfA should have passed anyway, and even if he wasn't ready then, he certainly is now. Walton 16:48, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
    Support I don't think this RfA will pass, but I think generally that BQ has good admin potential and I agree that falling afoul of guidelines and customs is not generally an appropriate RfA-killer. I opposed on the last one because I personally thought that canvassing had occurred, intentionally or not, and it would be hard to determine the effect on the result. Best, in my mind, to err on the side of caution. 21:18, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
  9. Support Although the opposers raise some valid points, I believe nom has learned from prior mistakes and will do OK. That said, I will mindlessly add, "when in doubt, ask". Dlohcierekim 00:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
    Doc and keeper put it quite well below. Dlohcierekim 15:50, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
  10. Support My persona interactions with this editor have been positive and I have no reason to oppose or remain neutral.--VS 06:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
  11. Support. The wait three months "rule" is for admin candidates that don't have enough experience in my opinion; Also in my opinion, it's not for those that get caught up in RfA rule creep (and over a rule that isn't a rule no less, and does not have a written consensus anyway, as you point out). You have the experience and ran into opposition based on the RfA process, and not on your contribution history, which is excellent. There is no evidence that you will abuse the tools, therefore I am happy to support your self-nom. The horrible irony here is that you were first opposed on a technicality, and now you're opposed on the technicality of not waiting long enough since that technicality? Ick. Keeper | 76 15:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
  12. support. Splendid article contributions and ability to collaborate outweigh any other lack of experience concerns. Opposing simply because it is "too soon" is just instruction creep. My only plea would be that the candidate remember that this is a free content encyclopedia and take much better care ofver copyright issues on images. But I will AGF that that lesson has been learned.--Doc 15:45, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
  13. Support per WP:AGF Triona (talk) 23:50, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
  14. Support as per Triona. Stifle (talk) 09:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
  15. Support for the same reasons that I did last time. I advise waiting at least a couple of months before your next try, though. Lankiveil 10:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC).
  16. Strong Support I have found this editor to be a calming and concerned voice of reason. In a disagreement between myself and another, far more experienced editor, BQZip01 stepped into the fray and was the voice of wisdom and moderation. His Adminship would be very positive for Misplaced Pages. He is an excellent example of all that is and can be good about Wiki. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 11:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
  17. Moral Support Thank you for helping at WP:SSP. You may also want to spend time at WP:COIN. That's a fine place to learn admin skills. Come back in four months, and you should pass. Jehochman 04:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
  18. Support Per previous interactions with the user. Hook 'em Corpx (talk) 07:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
  19. Support BQZip has shown he is dedicated to making Misplaced Pages what it should be and is continuing to learn as, hopefully, we all are. I think this second RfA coming so quickly after the first is just an indication that he is willing to learn from his mistakes (namely possible canvassing in this case) and get back on task. →Wordbuilder (talk) 16:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
  20. Support - His RfAs seem to implode, because he falls into RfA's recursive traps, but we should look past that. He has a "do it, fix it, try it" mentality, he genuinely cares about Misplaced Pages and the people in it, and he's resilient. These will make him a fine admin. He needs more familiarity with this community's idiosyncrasies, and this will come with time. The Transhumanist 17:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
  21. Encouragement. See it as a chance to practice a little more and be definitely back to collect your mop when you're fully prepared. User:Dorftrottel 19:41, January 30, 2008
    And maybe a map, too. Always useful, as someone pointed out. User:Dorftrottel 19:51, January 30, 2008
  22. Support Good user. - Milk's Favorite Cookie 01:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
  23. Support Seems alright  Terra  Talk  10:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
  24. Support - trustworthy editor. Addhoc (talk) 17:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Oppose, sorry to be the first to comment, and an oppose at that, but it has been less than a month since your last RFA, I don't see that as long enough to wait. Again, sorry, and you do not have a lot of admin related tasks, and FAC doesn't require you to be an admin. Dreamy 03:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
    <joke>I also oppose you because you're from the "Texas Aggies" and because I outrank you... MUHAHAHAHA...</joke>. Dreamy 18:12, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
  2. Oppose 20 days is not enough time for me to judge improvement from the problems that had arisen from the previous RfA. Sure you may have improved within the time, but I wish to see consistency in the improvement for a few months, not a few weeks. — DarkFalls 03:36, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
    Also per B below. Derivative images of copyright works are never free. "If modification of a fair use image is not appropriate, then please remove the image altogether, but I'm pretty sure I am in the right here under U.S. law (...and yes, I know that U.S. law does not necessarily apply to Misplaced Pages, but it certainly applies to the creation of said image)." — DarkFalls 04:24, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
  3. Oppose poor policy understanding demonstrated at Misplaced Pages:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2008_January_7#Image:Kyle_Field_Expansion.jpg. --B (talk) 04:09, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
  4. Oppose per above concerns. Epbr123 (talk) 10:54, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
  5. Oppose per all the above concerns. --Siva1979 13:28, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
  6. Oppose not been long enough since the last RFA and the comment up the top "Several people opposed because of "a vague answer to" Question 1, without bothering to ask any additional questions" to me suggests a lack of civility Whitstable 14:52, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
  7. Oppose. I don't believe this user would abuse the tools. However handling of image copyright issues as noted above and a second self-nom so soon after the last one prevents me from adding support at this time. Image:5lq2jj15.gif uploaded last May exemplifies the image problem. It was uploaded as PD-US with very little details as to author, date or other important details. Then 2 minutes later this edit reveals it is an Associated Press photo and "needs to be deleted", but the PD tag was not removed and the image was never deleted, though I recently tagged it as missing source and license. That image should have been tagged immediately by the uploader and deleted months ago. A half dozen or so other images were uploaded with very little captioning information, though they were PD-USGov images, they did not provide sources or author information. Image:MC-130W2.jpeg and Image:MC-130W.jpeg appear to be the same image, uploaded twice, and originally captioned with only "MC-130W image from www.af.mil" and "from www.af.mil" not giving proper credit to the photographer US Air Force Captain Andy Biro. Image:V-22 main engine closeup.jpg was uploaded as a government image sourcing himself. The image is a cropping of Image:Osprey at Pensacola.jpg which was PD by User:Jacobst, but the cropped image did not link the original and the author not mentioned as a courtesy. Even after the fuss over images at the last RFA, these problems were not corrected prior to this RFA. --Dual Freq (talk) 16:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
    Oppose Too soon after the last time. Admins needs to be good judges of community consensus. Like it or hate it, there is long standing consensus that failed RFA candidates need to put a significant gap between requests - generally 3 months. Disregarding this or not doing your research to understand this doesn't show the candidate in a good light. Shame because their contribution to the project is valuable and with a little more patience I would have been looking to support. Spartaz 16:28, 27 January 2008 (UTC) Striking oppose per discussion on my talk page. The candidate clearly didn't appreciate the need to put a decent gap between RFAs. Spartaz 22:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
  8. Oppose I still have the same concerns as I did 3 weeks ago. Jmlk17 04:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
  9. Oppose per Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/BQZip01. Daniel (talk) 10:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
  10. Oppose Only three weeks since last RfA is not enough. Please wait at least three months and try again when you're ready, and I will support. NHRHS2010 11:20, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
  11. Oppose - -you seem like a good editor on the whole but the image issues mentioned above bother me, as do some issues from the 1st RFA - I need a longer period of time to be sure of your familiarity with policies. --BelovedFreak 20:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
  12. Oppose. I'm impressed by the FA work, but I think a self-nomination only 3 weeks after a failed RfA and while subject of an ArbCom case shows overeagerness and bad judgement. I also find this statement a reason for concern. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 21:35, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
  13. Oppose for continuing to use WP as a free web host; you haven't read and taken in everything from your last RfA just weeks ago. --Stephen 22:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
  14. Oppose Please don't give the mop to an idiot (no offense to candidate). At best it is a waste of a mop.VandleBlaster (talk) 23:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC) What I meant to say was: The candidate appears to spend more time in arbitration trying to win points than he does trying to resolve the problems. My apologies to those offended by my 1st edit. Corrective action was administered on my talk page.VandleBlaster (talk) 20:19, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
    This is "Vandleblaster's" first edit. Amazing. Keeper | 76 23:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
    Offense taken. — BQZip01 —  03:30, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
    Struck vote as a likely sock/vandal. Stifle (talk) 09:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
    Unstruck as the above, at best is a gratuitous assertion, not to mention a personal attack.VandleBlaster (talk) 19:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
    Restruct as per VandleBlaster's wish to do so stated on my talkpage here Keeper | 76 20:09, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
  15. Doesn't understand the issues with his Kyle Field image beyond fair use (the image was clearly original research, and not appropriate for Misplaced Pages). Administrators need to know image policy. Ral315 (talk) 02:21, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
    Without being able to see the image, it's somewhat difficult for me to assess these claims, but from reading the discussion it's clear to me what the fair use problems are, but not the original research problems. Misplaced Pages:NOR#Original images makes it clear that images enjoy a broad exemption from OR, and I don't see why that wouldn't have been the case here had the source image been freely available. --JayHenry (talk) 05:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
    This image is similar if I remember correctly. Only the image in question was photoshopped to add additional seating levels at left and right. It was not listed as fair use / non-free, but was noted that it was edited to show a theoretical expansion concept which is the OR part of it. --Dual Freq (talk) 12:38, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
    I'm not seeing how that runs afoul of Misplaced Pages:NOR#Original images. "Manipulated images should be prominently noted as such." If university officials have discussed "expansion plans for Kyle Field which could boost capacity to 115,000 with the addition of a south endzone and wraparound seating," and BQZip made an image that illustrated that, then I have to conclude it's not original research, because he's not advancing new ideas, he's merely illustrating someone else's ideas and clearly noting as much. --JayHenry (talk) 15:03, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
    The OR aspect is that it was a wikipedia user's impression. If it had been an artist concept provided by the architect planning the expansion, then there would have been no problem. I don't think the photo depicted wraparound seating, it was the same as the linked image except the grand stands were copy and pasted to make them double or triple stacked. I don't believe that type of modification was supported by a citation. The original caption in the article simply said "Artist's rendition of an expanded Kyle Field", and didn't mention that the artist is a wikipedia editor, not an architect or engineer paid to make such a drawing. --Dual Freq (talk) 21:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
  16. Oppose on a wide range of important issues. This user took personal issue with edits I made to Kyle Field and, to this day, continues to undo any changes I make to that article so that his edits remain permanent. In response, this user (both as an IP and as user) made several edits in opposition to my own, which touched off a lengthy dispute between several of the editors involved. User is fiercely protective over articles he has edited and generally opposes the inclusion of any information he deems insulting or derogatory towards his alma mater. Before he made this RfA, user deleted image Image:TCEH.jpg, which he used to demean Texas Tech on his user page. User still maintains a list of demeaning terms for neighboring colleges on his user page, among them "tech tards, sand fleas." User selectively employs various protocols (like WP:AGF) when it suits his argument, but does not appear to have an appreciation of what these things mean. User (as IP) has also stated his support for the unblock of a prolific sockpuppeteer as long as he "renounced his behavior." This does not reflect the behavior of an administrator and he would not have my confidence in that capacity. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 05:14, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
    You're opposing him for being loyal to his university and for participating in college rivalries? Good God... should I be desysopped for laughing at Tabs? :-) Walton 11:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
    And let me be clear that BQZip's list of insults on his userpage isn't the only reason I'm opposing his nomination, it's just another example of why this user isn't ready. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 15:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
    OMG, Walton. If an editor is placing "loyalty to his university" (or anything else) above the integrity of the encyclopedia, then they should certainly not be an admin. Dlohcierekim 20:09, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
    First, I'm not sure I appreciate being mocked. Secondly, my issue is not that he supports his university, but that he takes strong, reactionist measures when somebody does something he doesn't like to one of the articles associated with Texas A&M. If he would simply revert the edit, that's one thing (though still incompatible with policy), but this user will go many steps further and actively seek to undermine people who have made those edits. This has a chilling effect on those editors and may discourage their contributions in this future. It is for these actions that I firmly oppose this nomination. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 20:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
    You'll notice I've only responded to a few issues down here, but I believe these comments deserve some moderation since so many things are being said about me that are incorrect or misleading.
    On top of what Wordbuilder said, where does a simple editorial comment in the spirit of a good-natured rivalry constitute a breach in integrity? This is a user page, not an article. If you'll note, I mock my own school's mascot on my page too. User:Johntex and I also made a friendly bet on the outcome of the annual game between our schools where we would "vandalize" out own user pages to let other people knwo how badly our team lost (I won and we had a laugh over it).
    Your accusation that of "he is generally opposed to the inclusion of any information he deems insulting or derogatory towards his alma mater" and "he takes strong, reactionist measures when somebody does something he doesn't like to one of the articles associated with Texas A&M." are completely without merit. Baring my spat with a certain user over this page (addressed/renounced above), I defy you to find a single instance.
    As for "If he would simply revert the edit, that's one thing (though still incompatible with policy)..." Which policy might that be? I am personally of the philosophy of WP:BRD Near as I can tell, there is nothing wrong with a discussion; it's one of the reasons for a talk page.
    "...this user will go many steps further and actively seek to undermine people who have made those edits." How so? You have made several edits with which I disagree and you call it stalking (never mind the article you were trying to delete was kept). I and any other editor are open to edit any page we wish. This is an encyclopedia that anyone can edit and our edit histories are an open book. You can see everything I do and vice versa. If you do something that piques my interest, I might go and see what else you have done. I'm entitled/enabled to do so as is any other editor. Under that logic, I could just as easily accuse you of stalking me here and discouraging my nomination, but I don't because everyone is allowed to give their two cents.
    "This has a chilling effect on those editors and may discourage their contributions in this future." If you can't handle a discussion over an edit you made, then I am sorry. See WP:BRD and WP:BITE. Furthermore, if contributions are disruptive, then opposition should be present to discourage such edits. WP:AN
    I have logged in and responded as an IP, but that was because I was unable to log in at my location (and just so there is no mistake, I have made this explicitly clear to all involved in any discussion, but even when I made perfectly appropriate edits as an IP (even if I wasn't logged in), you reverted them assuming malice and labeling it vandalism even when you realized it was a mistake). That I disagree with you on some of your edits and some discussion followed...well, isn't that the point of having a discussion on a talk page or the articles for deletion page? I wasn't the only one who felt your edits were not appropriate.
    Please tell us what you mean that I "selectively employs various protocols (like WP:AGF) when it suits argument, but does not appear to have an appreciation of what these things mean." I have a very clear idea what they mean. That I disagree with you (or you disagree with me) as to what they mean is one reason we have talk pages in the first place: to calmly hash these disagreements out.
    As for "User (as IP) has also stated his support for the unblock of a prolific sockpuppeteer as long as he "renounced his behavior." This does not reflect the behavior of an administrator and he would not have my confidence in that capacity," (see above for IP info), are we supposed to assume that no one can change? Or that no one can start over and begin anew? I also didn't say I supported his edits, but that I supported him coming back if and only if he changed his attitude and editing. I do not support his return otherwise. Mr. Schmidt (support above) is one such editor who was extremely hostile. Once someone (me) took the time to explain the process, things were fixed. — BQZip01 —  00:17, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
    Let me start by saying the references to your posts under an IP were not meant to be accusatory or infer that you were trying to hide your identity. They were only meant to establish which post I was talking about. You have previously posted as that IP with your name following it, so again I'm not disputing that.
    Even though it is your userpage, that does not give you the right to call others "tards" (which itself is highly demeaning to the mentally disabled) based on their college affiliation. Some might say I'm taking a joke too literally, but as an administrator you would have to withstand the same sort of criticism from the entire userbase of this encyclopedia. Currently, I don't think you would be able to do that.
    Your edits to Kyle Field, and specifically your reverts to my edits, are what raise the biggest alarms for me. You continually try to include meaningless statistics in that article to promote the stadium and you have thus far ignored the input from both myself and the (few) editors who responded in the RfC. Your use of WP:BRD is particularly ridiculous in this instance, since I was trying to avoid the edit war that would cause with the RfC, which you continue to ignore. This is another case of you misusing an essay (not even a guideline or a policy) to further your own ends in that article.
    As for your opposition to my edits, you keep trying to argue that we share a common interest in those articles, but I have to take issue with that, since you opposed everything I did in those articles and undid most or all of the changes I tried to make. As for the comment about the IP, I have already apologized for those reverts -which you have previously acknowledged- so it seems strange to me that you would bring that up here.
    Your edits seemed to be directed in a way that would prevent me from making any changes to this encyclopedia and would thus drive me away from editing in frustration or fear. I don't know if you've done this in the past but again, this certainly is not the type of behavior anybody would expect from an administrator. You have a very long way to go in this regard and I would wait a lot longer than 3 weeks before your next self-nomination. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 00:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
    Let me start by saying the references to your posts under an IP were not meant to be accusatory or infer that you were trying to hide your identity. They were only meant to establish which post I was talking about. You have previously posted as that IP with your name following it, so again I'm not disputing that.
    Even though it is your userpage, that does not give you the right to call others "tards" (which itself is highly demeaning to the mentally disabled) based on their college affiliation. Some might say I'm taking a joke too literally, but as an administrator you would have to withstand the same sort of criticism from the entire userbase of this encyclopedia. Currently, I don't think you would be able to do that.
    Well, let's talk about talk:Kyle Field. I have posted numerous compromises and you have seen fit to acknowledge or offer an additional compromise on none of them. That you find statistics "meaningless" and there only "to promote the stadium" I hav explained numerous times with no response other than another deletion of the material. I have not "thus far ignored the input from both myself and the (few) editors who responded in the RfC." On the contrary, I responded to their inputs with little/no response from them.
    If you will read what I actually said (and this is a major problem in our discussions) regarding WP:BRD is that I am of that philosophy, not that it is policy or a guideline. You have made no effort to compromise and I have made several changes and offers. To call my actions ridiculous... If you were trying to "avoid the edit war", why did you insist on making changes without discussing them? I offered a few alternatives to which you (or anyone else) didn't respond. It seems as if you are making continual changes with no intent on listening to what others have to say or offering any form of compromise.
    I oppose your changes because I believe they add context to the paragraph/article.
    Just because I opposed your changes doesn't make me wrong. To which other articles are you refering?
    The IP thing, no problem. Just a misunderstanding.
    My edits are directed in stopping unnecessary deletions, not to drive you away. I am sorry if you find this frustrating, but please realize the policies on Misplaced Pages. If you have no intent on compromising or discussing, then the talk pages are useless (as is WP:BRD). As for fear, you seem to use policies to bully people into getting your way by threatening actions (AfD, RfC, etc.)
    So, for all this said, let's bury the hatchet right here and now. Let's come up with a way to make the Kyle Field article work. I would be happy to discuss a change to Kyle Field. Let's use this as a starting point from which to make a compromise, agreed? Make me an offer! :-)
    As for "tard," I always took it as a bastardized form of "turd" (think "turd" with a Texas drawl) as do most of my extended family. I will be happy to let them know about this interpretation. Seeing as how that offensive meaning is attached to the word, I have removed it accordingly (seriously, all you had to do was point this out on my talk page). I humbly and sincerely apologize to all mentally handicapped persons for comparing them to Texas Tech students...I was way out of line there...
    This is a light-hearted response intended to diffuse the situation with humor. I honestly mean that I am sorry that word was used on my page and I will NEVER use it again...ever! For the record, my sister-in-law, brother-in-law, and my dad's cousin went to Texas Tech and I pull for them almost every time aren't playing Texas A&M — BQZip01 —  03:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
    Look, I was joking, as demonstrated by the smiley. I apologise if I caused any offence. Evidently I should stop trying to inject a note of humour into these discussions, as it seems to piss people off every time. Walton 21:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
  17. Oppose: Possibly the most important quality an admin must have is good judgment, followed closely by intimate knowledge of Misplaced Pages custom and practices. Anyone putting in/agreeing to an RfA three weeks after the last one is guilty of lacking either or both. Three months would be well to the left of too soon.  RGTraynor  22:22, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
    "Good judgement" is subjective and I am of the belief that a knowledge and understanding of policy and guidelines is far more important than the customs of a single administrative page out of 2 million plus.
    Which bolsters my belief. Admins deal with the public and are expected to exercise judgment, not just knee-jerk application of (widely interpretable) policy. One could easily infer from your statement that you hold the process in some measure of contempt. It's somewhat startling given your profession; you cannot, as a member of the military, be unaware that appearances matter, that organizations have values and customs with little direct connection to the job at hand, and that you dismiss them at your peril. In effect, you've shown up for inspection wearing sneakers and a crumbled, stained uniform, and we're - demonstrably - no more amused than your top would be. Protesting that you had no idea you were supposed to wear shined shoes wouldn't have done you good then ... it was your job to know. In the wake of your last RfA, more than one editor suggested you hook up with an admin coach who could show you the ropes. That advice was sound then, and you should take it now.  RGTraynor  06:13, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
    I am certainly aware that appearances matter. Application of policy can be widely interpreted, no doubt there. This is why I intend to stick to relatively obvious problems (like WP:3RR and WP:SSP. The values and customs of my profession are interwoven within the job, have a historical and practical base. They are also explicitly codified (how to salute, what the uniform should look like, etc). It isn't ambiguous in general (pun intended). Furthermore, should I dismiss them, it would be at my own peril, but not because it is advice, but because it is the law. I must follow lawful orders or it is illegal and I could face criminal charges. Your analogy is lacking substance. "It was your job to know" isn't policy or a guideline, it is an opinion of a user(s). While repeated self-noms over and over ad nauseum is somethign to avoid, I saw little reason to wait 3 months because someone said, "try back again in 3 months"...(a few weeks later) "You can't take directions from me! Oppose." Respectfully, you aren't the boss of me and you don't make the rules. Tacking on extra time for no apparent reason is WP:CREEP, IMHO. If a consensus is there to make this a guideline (or heck, even policy), I see little reason to oppose. Until then it is just an opinion. I do not hold this process in contempt; the exact opposite is true, but holding people to some vague, imaginary standard that isn't defined is like a cop pulling someone over and telling them "Your car looks too fast. Bring it around again in 3 months and I'll probably let you drive it through here then." That's not the law and a cop just can't make it up on a whim. If there is a compelling reason and consensus to have such a "rule" then let's get it in the directions. I'd support 2 weeks - 1 month, or maybe 1000 mainspace edits, or any reasonable additional criteria provided it has consensus. Honestly, WP:IAR applies here on this one, especially when the "rule" isn't really a rule. Opposition because someone else said "wait three months" doesn't mean I disrespect them, but their opinion isn't defined or well-explained. "I want to see more edits before I support" makes sense if there is another reason for opposition (bad edits, copyvio, etc.), but "wait three months" for no apparent reason than they want to test patience, makes no sense. — BQZip01 —  06:40, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
  18. Oppose Having read this thread to date, I'm sure RFA is stressful but BQZip01 is "certainly aware that appearances matter" and yet is becoming quite argumentative before even being challenged over an admin decision. "I saw little reason to wait 3 months", "you aren't the boss of me and you don't make the rules" - I've only been watching RFA for a few months and I've gotten the drift that consensus is to wait three months to try again, more importantly, make sure that you've solidly addressed all the objections before the next go-round. Surely addressing the concerns of the community with logic and brevity is better than arguing about what "isn't really a rule". Using the police analogy doesn't really help either, remember cops only lay charges, it is the judge who pronounces sentence; admins are often cops but always judges. Furthermore, what is wrong with testing your patience? Is that not an important quality in a prospective admin? Franamax (talk) 08:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
    I think what he was saying, with regard to the police analogy, is that rules need to be clear and precise, otherwise people can't be expected to follow them; neither judges, nor juries, nor police, nor any other officer of the law should be making up rules on a whim. As a law student, I strongly agree with him. Admins can be expected to be aware of, and to follow, those rules explicitly laid down by the community in policies and guidelines - just as a member of the armed forces must follow all orders and regulations, no matter what they personally think about it. But it is not reasonable to expect people to be aware of an uncodified, informal convention, such as waiting 3 months between RfAs, and to follow it as if it were a binding rule. Walton 09:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
    Well I suppose that is my concern, what rule really is clear and precise? A cop should give you 24 hours to get your headlight fixed if you say you didn't know it was broken, unless you're driving an obvious wreck - where's that in the "rules"? And this is Misplaced Pages - what about the explicit rule to ignore all rules? It's not the armed forces and it's not the police force and it's not the legal system, it's a wiki, saying "you're not the boss of me" is a bad sign, the community is the boss and the community can't always agree. Flexibility and judgement are paramount here. The "three-month rule" seems to be a fairly well-defined consensus, as the objections above seem to reflect, and the candidate should have been more well-prepared to address that. Addendum, as a law student (you), well check out Newyorkbrad, another law-talkin-guy, I may be wrong but I haven't yet seen him mention "clear and precise rules". Cheers! Franamax (talk) 09:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
    I absolutely agree that the community is the boss; and that is why those rules which are laid down by the community, in the form of policies and guidelines, are binding and should be followed. However, a convention, such as waiting 3 months between RfAs, is not binding because it does not enjoy community consensus. If anyone proposed making it a formal rule, it is likely that there would not be a consensus to do so. It should be noted that there are several supporters in this RfA who explicitly reject the three-month "rule" as a formal rule (I and many others regard it as unnecessary instruction creep). As to your other point; yes, we should apply some flexibility and discretion in the interests of avoiding unfairness, just as enforcers of the law do in real life. On the question of WP:IAR, I personally think it's counterproductive and often overused; insofar as it has any value, it should be used in non-controversial exceptional circumstances where applying the rules strictly would lead to an irrational result. It should never be used to justify a controversial action or to circumvent consensus. To address another of your points: yes, this is a wiki, but any large and organised community inevitably has to have rules, otherwise we would have anarchy (which would not be conducive to writing a good encyclopedia). I would prefer that those rules were clear and precise, so that every user has a fair chance to conform their conduct to community norms. So I don't think that BQZip01 has shown any kind of contempt for community consensus. If you want to oppose on the grounds that three weeks isn't long enough to have improved from the last RfA, then that's fine; I personally disagree, but it's a perfectly fair and well-reasoned rationale, and I respect the opinion of those who have made that comment. But I don't think people should oppose on the basis that he's failed to follow an uncodified and arbitrary "rule" which, in fact, has no binding force whatsoever. Walton 11:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
    Given the many Oppose votes on the grounds of timing alone, it's somewhat odd to claim that there's no "community consensus" or rule involved; of course there is, and you're seeing it in action. That being said, while part of my Oppose was based on the notion that BQZip01 should have been aware enough of RfA process to know about customary time frames, where he's really straying from the path is in failing to do the simple, sensible thing. "Shut up and soldier" is a line I remember vividly from my own days in uniform. "I wasn't aware of that and I'll remember that for next time" shows, hrm, much better judgment and maturity than "You're not the boss of me." I'm seeing even less reason than before to promote; someone who's truculent and argumentative in his own RfA isn't likely to be any less so when the spotlight isn't focused on him.  RGTraynor  14:39, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
    Weighing in on the fray here, there are as many opposes right now as supports. There clearly isn't a consensus on such a "rule". Again, I would be remiss if there were such a "rule", but there isn't. That there is a "custom", I recognize, but I do not agree with it. Opposing strictly on an opinion about an opinion seems to run counter to . "You aren't the boss of me" was intended to be a blunt answer to emphasize a point, not contempt. Users across Misplaced Pages are blunt all the time (just look around this RfA). I take no great offense at it, but I will explain my rationale, as requested. For clarification, I wasn't aware this was a requirement and I will remember that some people believe it is so for next time I apply (should I decide to do so).
    As an example, what should I do if someone says I shouldn't apply for 5 years? Should I not apply for 5 years because it shows "impatience"? If I do apply, will people object because I "didn't listen to the community"? This seems like unnecessary instruction creep and I dismissed it because I felt so. Some people have said I should apply 3 months from the time of the original RfA. Will anyone object if I apply in 2 months and 12 days? I ask because it seems like a pointy punishment or a test of patience more than a valid reason to oppose. — BQZip01 —  21:52, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
    My opposition is not based on the "three-month rule", rather it is based on your response to the concerns raised with regard to that "rule". The impression I get is that you are arguing "well, it's not a hard-and-fast rule so it doesn't count" whereas the better response would be along the lines of - I recognize this is what the community generally expects, and here is why I think I have exceeded the community expectation and demonstrably addressed all the concerns raised at my last RFA. Preferably you would be able to do that in a succinct form (i.e. don't talk as long as I do!) as I believe that is another important quality for a sysop. I think the lesson you could take away from this is the need to develop a more flexible attitude in understanding what the opposing view is and developing an appropriate response, rather than becoming argumentative about the question itself. That's just my opinion and I don't want to beat you up over this - good luck in the future! Franamax (talk) 22:11, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
    Fair enough, but "well, it's not a hard-and-fast rule so it doesn't count" is not the reason I chose to dismiss it, it is a fact that it is not a rule. It is someone's opinion not supported by consensus. I am not trying to be argumentative, but attempting to clarify what seems to be a misconception. If I am to be judged on what I do/say, let's base it on what was intended, not speculation. — BQZip01 —  22:27, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
    Straw-man argument; you could, with exactly as much justification, ask what you should do if someone told you you had to pimp out Dobermans to pass an RfA. That aside, you're not trying to be argumentative? Of course you are. You're pumping out lengthy self-justifications at every step now, and while it does you no harm on this RfA to do so, I wouldn't bet a dime against a dollar on your odds of passing the next one thereby.  RGTraynor  17:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
    I am just trying to explain mischaracterized actions I feel are detrimental. There is a difference between a discussion and being argumentative. I thought this place was for the former. Furthermore, and taking from the main RfA page, "If your nomination fails, please wait a reasonable period of time before renominating yourself or accepting another nomination. Some candidates have tried again and succeeded within a month, but many editors prefer several months before reapplying." Without a definition of "reasonable" this problem will happen again for some other editor. Considering how many new objections there have been, finding out most of what everybody finds problematic will allow me to improve. — BQZip01 —  23:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
  19. Oppose per many reasons above. Not does only a new self-nomination so soon after the previous RfA show questionable judgment, it shows insufficient patience, and we need both from our administrators. Also, I should think that someone who says he wants to focus on 3RR would have been more involved with 3RR reports along the way. Doczilla (talk) 09:52, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
  20. Strong Oppose Moving from neutral. Sorry, BQZip. Your very argumentative and overly procedural take on everything here has soured me on this a little bit, along with the "your not the boss of me" commentary, and this constant tone of admins being authority figures or cops, in a sense. Worship of policy for the sake of policy is, in a word, stupid. But arguing extensively over things that by reading a dozen or two failed repeat RFAs is obvious is just bizarre. RFA is a dog and pony show, but thats what it is. Looking more at your contribs and tone you seem to be always ready to leap headfirst into a lawyerly, overly legal and procedural defense. Common sense is what drives us, the whole "IAW" and Law Of The Land thing--no offense--is the way things work in the military, having known many, many, many, many military men myself, but not here. Rules are nothing more than what someone happened to write down as a record of generally accepted practice. They're not binding rules, like a US Penal Code or military code. Societal norms, however, do tend to be enforced more than rules here. In fact, I'd wager that societal norms are more important than rules. How you conduct yourself is of 100 times more value than how you dotted your Ts, filled out your RFCs, and formatted the I's on your citations. Lawrence § t/e 14:48, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
    I used the cop analogy because it has some merit here as an example of a measure of authority, though in many cases adminship is more like being a judge (you make decisions based upon the best available information and dole out punishments). If you don't like cops, sorry. No argument is intended (see above). Common sense drives us, but rules are based on that common sense. IAW (In accordance with" is simply a way for me to succinctly state that a policy/guideline/opinion from an essay applies in a particular instance. I am ready to leap headfirst into things and take action (such is the nature of the military...why would anyone be surprised at that), but action can be various things including discussing and diffusing a situation. By calmly explaining something to someone, you can expand their knowledge on how things work here on Misplaced Pages and, hopefully, make this a better place (see Mr. Schmidt and his history above).
    I could not disagree with you more that "ules are nothing more than what someone happened to write down as a record of generally accepted practice. They're not binding rules." On the btrary, they are the framework by which Misplaced Pages runs. Some rules are indeed as binding within Misplaced Pages as are laws and prevent real harm: WP:BLP and WP:V come to mind off the top of my head. These are not merely "happened" to be codified, but are the results of hundreds of editors and a community consensus. Violations of these policies can have more than an academic effect and can create real harm. Rules here on Misplaced Pages are intended to prevent such harm. That said, societal norms are indeed more important in a day-to-day setting, conversation, and basic interaction, but policy and guidelines give the framework and boundaries within which to work. Without those boundaries, all day-to-day interaction has no boundaries and anything goes. — BQZip01 —  22:45, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
    Update to strong oppose in response. Sorry, BQZip, but you just don't get it. And no, I have no problem with cops, since I have them in my immediate family, along with quite a few military. None of them have this high-handed tone that you appear to carry, where your views appear iron-clad and immutable. I can't support someone who seems to be willing to fight tooth and nail over every damn little thing. We don't need brawlers as admins, let alone high-handed ones. From my experience, they make the worst admins. The more humble, the better. Lawrence § t/e 14:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
  21. Opppose per previous RfA, lack of experience, and no showing in his edits or his edit summaries that he had the necessary qualifications for be an administrator. He has shown ownership issues over any articles related to Texas A&M University, and often seems unwilling to listen to or consider the views of other editors. While he allowed my removal of the A&M seal from the A&M article to stand, so far, someone aiming for adminship who mostly focuses on university articles should have recognized the problem earlier, and not needed to have a Talk:Texas A&M University#Seal double explanation as to why we should have not official university seals up in articles, and should have a better understanding of image related issues. He also seems quick to assume bad faith, as shown in a current A&M related AfD and the whole issue with Kyle Field, and does not show signs of having the patience or necessary skills to handle disagreements in a diplomatic fashion. Perhaps with more experience (and waiting more than 3 months), he will grow into an admin ready editor, but I do not feel he is there yet. Collectonian (talk) 02:33, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
    Collectionian, I am perfectly able and willing to listen and an accusation of WP:OWN doesn't apply here, IMHO. Just because I disagree with an editor and revert his changes does not mean I am exerting ownership. I have worked with many editors to improve many different articles. I own none of them. It is the senseless deletion of material I disagree with. I have offered many solutions and compromises which seem to have fallen on deaf ears. While your discussion of the seal and its usage is certainly valid, an internal memo (I admit I'm making an assumption here since I don't know where you got your quote) does not apply to Misplaced Pages. Furthermore, the image can still be used as a fair use image even if the University President doesn't want it. I'm not saying we want to go down that road, but I'm talking in theory here. I think the tone of your AfD speaks for itself by calling what I typed an "explanation". The quotes indicate that you are being sarcastic and somewhat uncivil, or at least condescending.
    I have no idea what "editors editos ro edit summaries " means, please explain. — BQZip01 —  05:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
    Fixed my typo. The quotes indicate none of the above, other than that I felt it wasn't a real explanation backed by policies or guidelines, only a claim that it was a subpage while in the same sentence nothing the topic isn't even covered in the Aggie Bonfire article (sort of a requirement to be a subpage). I also used quotes because I'd read your previous explanation after it was first prodded.
    For the seal, as I have now noted in response to your question on the talk page, the quote does not come from an internal memo, but from the very page someone downloaded that seal from in the first page. A&M could very easily have legal grounds for a law suit if we run around using their official seal on an article and no we can't just use it anyway when we know it isn't permitted. Fair use doesn't mean completely disregarding stated copyrights/trademarks where such use is explicitly forbidden. Collectonian (talk) 05:43, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
    You cannot trademark something and prohibit fair use of said image, much like you cannot patent something and prohibit public knowledge of the device. This image meets all requirements of fair use. — BQZip01 —  06:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
    Um, yes you can. The image does not meet the fair use requirements, but I suppose you will not accept that unless/until A&M sends a C&D letter, as other universities have already done, and demands the image be removed. They own the image. They can legally refuse to allow anyone to use it and they can legally state that the image shall not be used here. Misplaced Pages:Logos covers this area well. Particularly "It is not necessary to seek formal permission from the owner in advance of using their logo, so long as the usage is fair use, does not create any impression that the logo is associated with or endorses Misplaced Pages or the article it appears in, and does not create any reasonable grounds for complaint by the owner." A university seal gives the impression of endorsement and the use of it creates very reasonable grounds for complaint by the university has it violates their stated copyright/trademark guidelines. Collectonian (talk) 06:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
    Which fair use requirement does it fail?
    The use of the seal does not automatically imply support any more than using the logo does
    Misplaced Pages:Assume good faith and don't "suppose" anything. If in doubt, ask.
    What does "while in the same sentence nothing the topic isn't even covered in the Aggie Bonfire article (sort of a requirement to be a subpage)" mean? If you are saying that parts of the bonfire leadership aren't mentioned, I invite you to re-read that article again as "redpots" are mentioned numerous times and linked to this page, as are several other leadership-associated links. — BQZip01 —  06:19, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
    This really isn't the time or place for this discussion. You should resume it back at Talk:Texas A&M University and, if you want my advice, you should allow yourself to be more open to suggestions from others. This is not the first time that somebody has accused you of violating WP:OWN on A&M related articles. In fact, I did it earlier within this RfA. You keep shrugging that off saying that because you disagree with somebody (and then revert all their edts) doesn't mean you own the article and that we must somehow be misinterpreting your actions or that policy. Well, I'm not going to start parroting Misplaced Pages policy back at you, but a reasonable person would see a pattern of reverts at A&M related articles that is indicate of somebody who has assumed ownership over those works. You keep saying people ignore the solutions you've offered, but that's generally because they don't solve the problem that originally caused the dispute. You don't acknowledge the other side and so these debates rage on for days or weeks until the other side gives up. This is absolutely not the behavior of an administrator and at this point I'd think you'd be better off withdrawing this RfA, cooling off for a bit and coming back later with a little more flexibility on these issues. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 06:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
    ...and this is the reason I am seeing your edits as increasingly pointy.
    An accusation is not proof.
    I have NEVER reverted all of anyone's edits except perhaps a few IP accounts with explicitly vandalous edits.
    Your implication that only unreasonable people agree with me ("a reasonable person would see a pattern of reverts at A&M related articles that is indicate of somebody who has assumed ownership over those works.") is uncivil, IMNSHO.
    You seem to read what you want to see without taking into account what is actually written through misquoting (see comments about the "Most intimidating venue" at the link below).
    I have acknowledged your contentions and have offered many compromises and solutions, but with no response from you or those who weighed in. I invite anyone who wants to see exactly what I am talking about to read the Kyle Field talk page, I have been waiting for two weeks for a reply... — BQZip01 —  07:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
    Based on this section you appear to be absolutely against losing in a sense, and will argue, fight, wikilawyer, and respond to anything and everything with a literal essay. You must have a lot of spare time to work on Misplaced Pages at your job. Most people, to be frank, aren't going to trade essays with you, especially when you get pretty damn testy. He may have simply given up debating with you, as many people are likely to do. You showed up the same way on the Waterboarding RFAR with some bizarre arguments, and then refused to ever back down or concede a single point on anything. The last thing we need is another administrator with a high-handed, arrogant attitude who refuses to back down. Sorry. If you're going to fight to the death over frankly bullshit no one cares about, are you going to be as absolutely open-minded and constantly calm, civil, reasonable, and open to having your stances and viewpoints turned around with good simple arguments as administrators need to be in their highly stressful roles? Turn down the attitude. Lawrence § t/e 14:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
    Forum shopping your grievances with other users over a content dispute is highly inappropriate and, again, not the actions of an administrator. You should resolve your disputes with other users -even if you don't like some of their answers- and you shouldn't start lobbying for administrator support anytime you don't get your way. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 08:13, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
    Perhaps you should read what I actually wrote instead of taking what I stated out of context...again...
    "I do NOT intend this as an attack of any kind on CC, merely an attempt to get feedback/guidance and see if I am missing something." This was a request to evaluate my actions involving our dispute. I made the mistake of this being your AfD; it was not. Just a simple mistake and I apologize. You don't need to comment on every comment I make. (BQZip01) 131.44.121.252 (talk) 17:51, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
    Well you prefaced that statement with an allegation of me stalking you, specifically: " I am concerned with his attitude and would like your feedback regarding his edits, most recently on the Kyle Field talk page. He has made numerous misquoted, misleading, hostile, and threatening statements, to try and get his way. He has carried this "technique" over to almost every major page I have touched. No end is in sight."
    You've now reaffirmed that allegation here, which goes a long way to demonstrate all the very good reasons that you aren't ready to be an administrator and likely won't be for a very long time. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 19:59, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
    Marvelous,(131.44.121.252 belongs to the US Government), my hard earned tax dollars at work. Well, from what I see, if you preface your edits with disclaimer statements, and wikilawyer enough policy links, you can do whatever you want around here. Is there anything you endear more than winning on a point.TomPhan (talk) 18:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
  22. Oppose. Considering that this user technically meets most of my standards, as an active user, I still must oppose. The userpage(s) are overly promotional; this self-nom is too soon; the user has demonstrated immaturity; the user's answers are very poor. I'm not going to belabor these and other points raised by others against the gentleman. Sorry, sir. Bearian (talk) 17:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
    This isn't a challenge to your oppose, but I don't think you should refer to an officer in the United States Air Force as having "demonstrated immaturity". You have every right to oppose an RfA candidate, but please show some respect to those who are serving their country. Walton 17:25, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
    What people do professionally "IRL" has no bearing on this. RFA's role is to assess if a candidate is likely to abuse the tools, or if Misplaced Pages will benefit from their being admins. That includes frank assessment of on-Misplaced Pages behavior. The assessment by Bearian appears to be based on the editor's conduct on-Wiki. Whether or not it is wise to disclose your profession in such a way on-Wiki is a whole other can of worms, but a person choosing to reveal their real name or career is not entitled to any special rights or priveledges that other editors do not also enjoy. Whether someone is an officer in the Military has nothing to do with assessment of their on-Wiki actions. If any user has demonstrated immaturity, it's perfectly fine to state as much in their RFA. Lawrence § t/e 17:32, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
    Without levying any such accusation myself, Lawrence is spot-on ... quite aside from the obvious fact that serving members of the military have been guilty of far worse traits than immaturity. Beyond that, Misplaced Pages's been stung quite badly enough over incidents where people were given passes over their purported real-life resumes. I'm quite happy with judging folks based on their conduct, deportment and efforts as I can see them on the computer screen.  RGTraynor  18:44, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
    I feel you may have over-interpreted my comments. I certainly don't advocate giving people adminship just because of their RL occupation, or giving them any extra privileges because of it. The opposers all have valid opinions, to which they're perfectly entitled. My objection was only on the grounds of phrasing - I think a more respectful term should be used than "immaturity", given who the candidate is. It was only a minor point, but one that's important to me personally. As I said, I have no quibble with the substantive grounds for Bearian's oppose (I disagree with him, but he has every right to oppose in good faith). Walton 19:06, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
    He has acted immaturely and so was rightfully opposed for doing so. It doesn't matter what his occupation is and frankly I think he could use a reality check instead of constantly trying to fall back on his position with the Air Force to justify his behavior in an online encyclopedia. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 20:02, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
    I have never, EVER fallen back on my position in the Air Force to justify any of my actions. If you have evidence of such an accusation, I suggest you post it here. Otherwise, I respectfully request you remove such a disparaging comment/veiled accusation. — BQZip01 —  23:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
  23. Oppose. It appears to me that the candidate's application is blatantly self-serving, writing whatever the candidate believes is most likely to "sell" -- but a truer picture of the candidate's temperment is to be found in the ongoing discussion, which fundamentally contradicts the candidate's earlier assertions. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) 08:16, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
  24. Oppose per many of the reasons above, especially immaturity. Admins frequently make mistakes, and when they realise they have made one, they are expected to correct it. From what I have seen here I am afraid that far from identifying his mistakes and acting accordingly, only the fact that WP:WHEEL has been written down as a policy would prevent this user from wheel-warring. --Hans Adler (talk) 23:34, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


Neutral
Neutral. You definitely care about Misplaced Pages, but it's probably too soon after the last RFA. My only concern is that I'm a stickler for deep sourcing on articles, to make sure they're ultra-compliant with WP:V and WP:OR in particular--to make sure people can always see exactly where a passage or fact is drawn from. This article, this one, and this article (still under construction) are examples of what I mean; I did all the sourcing on each of them. It's a little thing, but being two of our most important policies (to me) I'd say work on that, and wait a few months, and do some recent changes patrol--dealing with and correctly blocking random vandals is a major part of what you'll have to do. You only have 11 posts so far to Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Lawrence § t/e 05:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
  1. Neutral Far too soon after the earlier RfA, and therefore demonstrating a lack of appreciation of the general advice from the community previously. I shall not oppose since I see no evidence that the candidate will abuse the tools when they eventually get them. LessHeard vanU (talk) 23:08, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
  2. Neutral - To avoid pile on. Tiptoety 04:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
  3. Neutral I really liked what I saw, up until attention was drawn to the fact that this his his second self nom this month, which has me questioning why he wants the tools so badly. Still, he really looks like a great editor, and definitely looks like admin material. Just wait a few months instead of a few weeks, work on the concerns mentioned by the opposes above, and I see no reason why you won't succeed next time. faithless () 06:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
  4. Neutral per Faithless and avoid pile on. Spencer 12:09, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
  5. Neutral to avoid pile-on. OhanaUnited 18:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
  6. Neutral I think this editor has the potential to be a great admin but I am a little concerned with his ability to over explain his actions. I think an admin should be able to make a point in a few words and make them pointed enough that the readers get the point. No need to be defensive. I would like to see a little more time between requests. Canyouhearmenow 22:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)