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| * '''oppose''': ''Book of the Law'' is the title of this specific book. It is not the specific title of the TaNaK. It is not the specific title of the Mormon work. ''Liber AL vel Legis, sub figura CCXX.'' is an alternate title of this work. ] (]) 01:33, 6 February 2008 (UTC) | * '''oppose''': ''Book of the Law'' is the title of this specific book. It is not the specific title of the TaNaK. It is not the specific title of the Mormon work. ''Liber AL vel Legis, sub figura CCXX.'' is an alternate title of this work. ] (]) 01:33, 6 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
| **Not true. ''Liber AL vel Legis'' is the ''official'' title of the work. "The Book of the Law" is essentially a nickname. ] (]) 05:31, 6 February 2008 (UTC) | **Not true. ''Liber AL vel Legis'' is the ''official'' title of the work. "The Book of the Law" is essentially a nickname. ] (]) 05:31, 6 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
| ::: Crowley typically gave his work three titles. One in English, one in Latin,Greek,or Hebrew, and one that was simply a number. In this instance the number is 31 (holographic manuscript), 220 (printed version), with ''Liber Al Vel Legis'' being the Latin title and''The Book of the Law''being the English title. As to which title is the most official, that depends upon which list one considers to be "authoritative".] (]) 08:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| **Here's the detail, originally named ''Liber L vel Legis'' and name officially changed. Noted on . ] (]) 05:40, 6 February 2008 (UTC) | **Here's the detail, originally named ''Liber L vel Legis'' and name officially changed. Noted on . ] (]) 05:40, 6 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
| **And is the title page of the book. ] (]) 05:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC) | **And is the title page of the book. ] (]) 05:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
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Links to manuscripts
I was looking a the site to which the Manuscript link was recently pointed, and I think the original link was the better choice. While the AOTOA site provides somewhat clearer copies of the text pages, the OTO-USA site provides more accurate scans in all their flawed and aged glory, and includes the title page as well, making it more complete. However, since they both have advantages in the eyes of different readers, I will edit the links such that both remain available. --Geoff Capp 20:47, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
What else to add?
I think that there could be a section covering the non-AL material that often accompanies its printing. The centennial edition reprints some material Crowley added to earlier printings, which could be interesting to note. –Frater5
- Also there were changes in the introductory chapters from time to time and place to place. For example, "Democracy dodders" was censored from some editions...On another matter, anyone know where the actual manuscript is these days? --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 03:44, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Suggested Additions
Why is there no mention of the connections between The Book of the Law and certain "cult" (or "occult") organizations, like Britain's O.T.O, and modern Wicca? The latter was obviously influenced by Crowley but, in their Rede, distorted "the law" to say essentially "Do what thou wilt as long as you do not harm others".
Further, at least some editions of the book, such as one with a red cover published by the O.T.O., include drawings that are loaded with clear and indisputable Satanic symbolism. An inverted pentagram containing a goat's head is just one obvious example.
These would seem to bear mentioning. -- Jane Q. Public 18:25, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Requested move
The Book of the Law → Liber AL vel Legis — "The Book of the Law" is a general term used in more than one religion. In Judaism it refers to the Torah; in Mormonism it refers to "The Book of the Law of the Lord". Suggest we move it to its actual distinguishable title —84.74.3.179 (talk) 19:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Survey
- Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with
*'''Support'''or*'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Misplaced Pages's naming conventions.
- support since according to the article, the full title is "Liber AL vel Legis, sub figura CCXX, The Book of the Law, as delivered by XCIII=418 to DCLXVI", the change would seem justified. We should then do as dismab. page rather than just a redirect. DGG (talk) 22:16, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- oppose: Book of the Law is the title of this specific book. It is not the specific title of the TaNaK. It is not the specific title of the Mormon work. Liber AL vel Legis, sub figura CCXX. is an alternate title of this work. jonathon (talk) 01:33, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Not true. Liber AL vel Legis is the official title of the work. "The Book of the Law" is essentially a nickname. 58.91.14.173 (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Crowley typically gave his work three titles. One in English, one in Latin,Greek,or Hebrew, and one that was simply a number. In this instance the number is 31 (holographic manuscript), 220 (printed version), with Liber Al Vel Legis being the Latin title andThe Book of the Lawbeing the English title. As to which title is the most official, that depends upon which list one considers to be "authoritative".jonathon (talk) 08:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- Here's the detail, originally named Liber L vel Legis and name officially changed. Noted on this page. 62.141.50.141 (talk) 05:40, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- And here is the title page of the book. 62.141.50.141 (talk) 05:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Support per above. The actual name is Liber AL vel Legis. Valtyr (talk) 22:16, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose. WP:UE. Even if "The Book of the Law" is a nickname, wrt this article I think it is a name that most users would understand, so it would be best for it to remain at the current name. – Axman (☏) 15:09, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
- Support, a book should be listed under its actual title. Since the proposal seems to be that a disambiguation page be put here, the user would easily be able to find the several possible books of the law they might be looking for. Will in China (talk) 00:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Discussion
- Any additional comments: