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:I would have to look more closely at the matter but I don't think we ever should be wanting to block someone to "teach him a lesson". That's just a very unfortunate phrasing at best, and very problematic if it's what you really meant. If Dr who1975 is making revisions to articles without consensus, there are ways of content dispute resolution I'd try first. Raise the matter on the talk page after reverting back, perhaps, and seek consensus from other article editors. Ask D to raise the matter on talk himself first, next time. A block, unless there have been serious attempts for working this out first which failed, is probably over the top. That's my view without looking into matters closely. Does that help or do you need more? (note, next time instead of copying the text you can just give a link to a ].) ++]: ]/] 16:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC) | :I would have to look more closely at the matter but I don't think we ever should be wanting to block someone to "teach him a lesson". That's just a very unfortunate phrasing at best, and very problematic if it's what you really meant. If Dr who1975 is making revisions to articles without consensus, there are ways of content dispute resolution I'd try first. Raise the matter on the talk page after reverting back, perhaps, and seek consensus from other article editors. Ask D to raise the matter on talk himself first, next time. A block, unless there have been serious attempts for working this out first which failed, is probably over the top. That's my view without looking into matters closely. Does that help or do you need more? (note, next time instead of copying the text you can just give a link to a ].) ++]: ]/] 16:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
::I have not done anything against wikipedia rules. Steelbeard made an inapropriate suggestion and I called him on it. This message from steelbeard to you is another example of him trying to "teach me a lesson" It is true that, in some cases I have butted heads with some people. I refute your claim that it is always the consensus that I'm bucking. In the two most recent cases of this (and I bet all of them actually), it stsrted with a disagreement between only me and steelbeard. When confronted with a large amount of disagreement I have always backed off and gathered concensus. Steelbeard refuses to deal wuth me as a human being and instead runs to others instead of talking to me. I am actually quite reasonable and, unlike Steelbeard, perfectly willing to admit when I was wrong. I also advise both you and Steelbeard to read ]. Steelbeard could've been a mature adult about our disgreements but he chose instead to in apropriatly ask an admin to "teach me a lesson".--] (]) 17:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC) | ::I have not done anything against wikipedia rules. Steelbeard made an inapropriate suggestion and I called him on it. This message from steelbeard to you is another example of him trying to "teach me a lesson" It is true that, in some cases I have butted heads with some people. I refute your claim that it is always the consensus that I'm bucking. In the two most recent cases of this (and I bet all of them actually), it stsrted with a disagreement between only me and steelbeard. When confronted with a large amount of disagreement I have always backed off and gathered concensus. Steelbeard refuses to deal wuth me as a human being and instead runs to others instead of talking to me. I am actually quite reasonable and, unlike Steelbeard, perfectly willing to admit when I was wrong. I also advise both you and Steelbeard to read ]. Steelbeard could've been a mature adult about our disgreements but he chose instead to in apropriatly ask an admin to "teach me a lesson".--] (]) 17:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::First, please consider using preview. for one message might be a bit much. Second while you may be within the letter of WP rules, I stand by my comments that you could be more collegial in your interactions with others. "What the fuck is wrong with you?" is not collegial, no matter how much you may have been provoked. This response isn't helping you in terms of my impression of you. I have counseled Steelbeard as I see appropriate and I am counseling you as I see appropriate as well. You may do with that counsel as you like, but I think advising me to read ] somewhat misses the point. I think you'll find I'm not a brand new admin if you do some research. ++]: ]/] 17:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC) |
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Short noteHoi Lar, could you have a look at your de. talk page please? --:Bdk: 03:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Image tagging project - relevant to youHello, I was asked to notify you and other people that tag images, or run image tagging scripts, of this. Please check out WP:TODAY, which grew off of the recent AN conversation. You will be particularly interested in this section: Misplaced Pages:TODAY#Early 2008 trial run. Please weigh in on the talk page there? And if possible, let me know who else should know about this? Lawrence Cohen 18:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC) AfDI'm not quite sure what happened there. Should I change the AfD outcome? Keilana(recall) 19:13, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I thought you were just making things unnecessarily complicated Lar ;) However, it turns out that True Blue (the dab page) has no real edit history. That's at True Blue (producer), deleted. The easiest way to solve this (without going through all the edits one by one, yuck) would be restore the producer page, move it to True Blue (delete to make way for move), delete the redirect left behind at the producer page, and restore any post 27 Dec edits at True Blue. User:Hiphophead88's edits at True Blue are a cut and paste job, probably the cause of all this, and can stay deleted; indeed his edits at the producer article could probably stay deleted too. Now, you up for all that or do you want me to do it? Doesn't seem worth discussing as a deletion review, there was nothing wrong with the closure just a bit of a mess to be fixed in the edit histories... --kingboyk (talk) 00:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC) the edit where he originally replaced the dab page. I've looked in more detail and it seems to me all his edits can stay deleted as they're covered by the AfD or they're copyvio. --kingboyk (talk) 00:38, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Featured article commentWhich featured articles/candidates are you referring to? To my knowledge I haven't edited any in the past month aside from the Lawson one - though I may have done so in passing, and I'm now curious to see what I did to them that has caused you such concern. I appreciate that not all my edits are done with sparkling readability in mind - but I aint a complete dunce when it comes to writing. I am a published writer. I have earned a living from writing and editing at various points in my life, as well as some modest acclaim and a couple of modest awards! In my day I even had my ten minutes of fame on BBC2! ;-) SilkTork * 01:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
an essayThere are multiple themes in your response and I have been thinking a bit how to respond. I'll try to address the points separately 1) On friends and enemies... I'm here to help build an encyclopedia. While it is true I've made some friends in my time here, and perhaps some enemies, that's not my goal, that's not why I am here. I want to treat everyone fairly and impartially, and evaluate them based on what they contribute here. I try very hard to do that. Moreover, I try very hard not to hold grudges, not to view those I disagree with as adversaries, not to pursue vendettas, not to bear anyone ill will, and above all, not to let myself get worked up about how others perceive me. That should not be my focus, work that forwards the project ought to be. We are all of us human here, and one can not always achieve that but I think it's the goal that all of us here to forward the work ought to have. (see also meatball:ForgiveAndForget) With that as context, I don't think I bear you any particular ill will, or see you as a bad guy, or that our first meeting has to colour how we perceive each other forever more (an aside, one of the admins I admire the very most here, had a quite unproductive initial relationship with me, and I spoke out strongly against his adminship at the time of his RfA... we both changed and learned and I think he now thinks of me pretty highly too... it was because of what he and I did, what he and I said, what actions he and I took as we moved forward, not what had happened in the past, that changed our views.) I do think that you and I can and will work together productively and harmoniously in future if you wish it. I never want anything other than that in my relationships with other editors. 2) On Original Research versus "synthesis"... You are absolutely right when you say that this project is no place for Original Research. But I want to talk to you about something I call "synthesis" (and others call "engaging the reader"). I am not a very good writer, so this example will suffer for that, but I know my own work best so it's where I draw from. I think every good article should do more than recite facts, it should tell a story that makes the reader want to read to the very end. Things often are more than just the sum of the facts about them, after all. Consider an article I myself hope will be an FA someday, SS Christopher Columbus. I could have just recited all the facts about her, given a few pictures, and been done. But there's a story behind that article, the story of a man, a prolific inventor, an immigrant to our country, who invented something quite odd, and in the teeth of derision and ridicule, made a minor success of it, changing nautical engineering for the better. The 'Chris' was part of that. Over her lifetime she carried 2 million people. I'm not sure I told the whole story successfully yet, the article peters out at the end, but consider this bit from the middle:
I didn't have to use that quote. In fact some might argue that it's unencyclopedic, and that I shouldn't have said that the captain "did just that", as I don't really know for sure. But it's an example of synthesis. I drew the conclusion, from the statistics and contemporary accounts that McArthur presided over a smashing success, and it's an obvious conclusion. And further, it's short, powerful phrasing, designed to engage the reader and make him or her want to find out how the story comes out (it actually has a tragic ending, the whalebacks were ultimately a failure, and 'chris' died under the scrappers torch in 1936 but that wasn't how it looked in 1893). Consider another article which I also hope, maybe someday, could be an FA: Croton Dam (Michigan). It's a dam built in 1907 across a river most would view as fairly minor, generating not a lot of electricity. Pretty ho hum stuff. Except in fact there's a story behind it... When it was built, the power was transmitted over 50 miles away, at over 100,000 volts. Those were both huge technical breakthroughs at the time. Further it was a key milestone in the industrial development of a region, and part of a series of ever larger and more ambitious projects carried out by the Foote brothers in their building of Consumers Power, now part of a very large electric power company. And it turned 100 this year and is still in use, generating electricity. All that won't come out from a dry recitation of facts. It needs synthesis. Again, maybe I'm not all the way there, but that's what I want the reader to come away with. More than just facts, a sense of wonder at the history of the place. What Giano and his collaborators did in Architecture of Aylesbury, and in Robert Lawson is just that. Synthesis. The cites give evidence, but not the story. The article is drawing the reader to the obvious conclusions. Obvious to someone who knows their stuff, that is, but not necessarily obvious to the uninformed reader. And Giano knows his stuff when we're talking about architectural history, and knows how to tell an engaging tale. With Aylesbury, the synthesis is around English market town architecture and trends and how Aylesbury fits in to that overall story and how it's a good example of market towns, county seats and the like. That is not original research. It's leading the reader on to conclusions that the bare facts, recited dryly, might not have led him to. But it's not OR. Similarly with Robert Lawson, the bare facts do not themselves lead to the conclusion that Lawson had a huge impact on the overall architecture of NZ unless you do some synthesis. But the conclusion is inescapable and presenting the material in a way that leads the reader to it is not OR. It is instead, great writing. 3) On collaborating... I think where you went off the rails in your recent encounters with Giano is in how you approached collaboration. Every encyclopedia article that has more than one user's edits to it is, to a greater or lesser extent, a collaboration. Some successful, some not so much, but they are. To successfully collaborate, you need to get in the right mindset. You need to approach an article, especially one that is mostly the work of one person, and try to figure out what the writer is trying to achieve. I know what WP:OWN says, but it's a pride of craftsmanship thing. If you don't agree, the talk page is the place to start. Propose changes there and defend your thesis, defend why you don't think the article should be telling the story it is. But to come up to an article and start blithely ripping up what was done, even if you are absolutely certain that policy supports you, that's not collaboration. That's an adversarial relationship and you are not going to be received well even by the most friendly and calmest editor out there. If at Lawson you had instead of ripping out stuff and replacing it with your cite from an NZ 'pedia, brought forth the idea, on the talk page, that perhaps not everyone sees Lawson in the same way, and could the article be enhanced to bring that out? You could well have edited that section to include the notion that there are differing views of Lawson's influence, and present some of them, using your material as cites. That would have been received much more graciously I would think. Similarly with Aylesbury, instead of ripping out everything that wasn't inline cited (which policy may support you on, or may well not, it's not open and shut), you could have identified a few things you had doubts about, done some of the research yourself, worked to enhance the cites yourself and showed that you cared about collaborating with those there already. I urge you to try some honest and open collaboration with others on these two articles, or perhaps on some others. I think you'll find it a much more pleasant, and ultimately much more rewarding, experience, to work with others to jointly take a great article and make it even better, than to try to show that others violated some policy or another and that your rewrite is better than their version. In summary, you may not agree but that's what I think. ++Lar: t/c 20:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
ThanksMay I ask how recent Andranikpasha's disruption on other wikis is? In terms of months, weeks, days. Your assistance here is greatly appreciated, so thank you. Cheers, Moreschi 15:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Please accept my sincere apologies for not letting you know about the thread at WP:AE, next time I will surely let you know about any discussion that might require your attention. Regards, Grandmaster (talk) 17:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
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I responded to your comment...I responded to your comment on my talk page. And maybe when you get a chance you could stop by here. Thanks! DiligentTerrier • talk |sign here 20:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC) CAT:AOTRHello, Lar! I read your message something like 12 times, and was utterly confused by it. Then I noticed the "" link, and all became clear. I must be drunk on V8 juice at the time. :-) Anyway... In light of recent events, I agree with the sentiments you expressed in your message. I wrote out some procedures at User:XDanielx/Recall; please let me know if you have any comments. Best, — xDanielx /C\ 01:06, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Considering...how we first met, your kind words mean quite a bit to me. I would say my response is a "not now" rather than a "not never". I nominated someone for adminship once (Rigadoun, co-nommed with Xoloz) and I have to say I was a nervous wreck on Rigadoun's behalf the entire week. I wouldn't be as nervous in my own request, but I fear I would be unproductive. Although the concerns I expressed to Wizardman were genuine, I also worry of disrupting my creative energy. --JayHenry (talk) 04:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC) Could you take a look at this situation?There are some issues surrounding Barack Obama's article, regarding the whisper-campaign regarding his religion. This edit to the forked article on the issue (as well as others by the same user) concern me greatly. S/he has also followed me to the Village Pump, where I went to solicit an outside view on the matter, and harangued me there. Any assistance/perspective you could offer would be great. Regards, Bellwether C 17:55, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Recall of Archtransit being suggestedSee User talk:Archtransit, last 6 sections, may be the next one, you may want to take a look. We need a Batman-like spotlight for you. Mr. Recall-man ;) NoSeptember 22:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
On this subject, take a look at this and see what you think. The 30 days restriction is pretty clever, given the last few days. 15:49, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
here's the sandboxCorvus Cornix made a big issue of the recall during my RFA (and others' RFA) so I pledge to work with him/her. Add your name too and feel free to place ideas here. http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Archtransit/sandbox2 As far as the 30 days, that can be removed in the final draft. Archtransit (talk) 21:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC) FARYou've already commented at the FAR of A Tale of a Tub. Would you take another peek at it, and slap me with a minnow (or a trout) if you think I'm being too hard on that reviewer? I had a big problem with the nomination when it popped up on my watchlist. However, I've tried to remain civil throughout. I'd appreciate your view on whether or not I've maintained that. I tend to get frustrated with the process wonkery that sometimes overwhelms the writing and editing of the project (as you know), so I'd appreciate being "pulled back from the edge" a bit, if you feel I'm approaching it. Regards, -- Bellwether C 14:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
HeyIf you have some time available can you please run a CU on User:32Ralmal, I'm under the impression that this is a user that I blocked yesterday for disruption, the problem is that this user's block is being discussed over and I want to know if he is related or not before shortening the block. - Caribbean~H.Q. 14:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Wheel warSeeing as you participate on that talk page a bit, I've left a suggestion on it which might be of interest. I'm trying to get consensus to add it: feel free to have a look at my suggestion: it's small, but may be useful. Thanks, --Solumeiras 18:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Er....You know when you say something, and then suddenly wonder if you said it in the wrong place...? Can you have a quick look over this in case it needs bringing to the attention of somebody? Cheers. LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC) (I've also bought it to the attention Alison.) LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:47, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
LessHeard: A broken redirect does not redirect, it loads itself. See? - Revolving Bugbear 23:12, 18 January 2008 (UTC) Thank you...for your support in my recently closed Request for Adminship. I am more than a bit stunned by the outcome, which appears to have finished at 146 supports, no opposes, and one abstention. I am particularly grateful to Keilana and Kingboyk for their recent encouragement, and most specifically to Pastordavid, for having seen fit to nominate me. I also want to make it very clear to everyone that I have no intentions of changing my name again, so the servers should be safe for a while. In the event you ever believe that I would ever able to assist in the future, I would be honored if you were to contact me regarding the matter. I can't guarantee results, unfortunately, but I will do what I can. Thank you again. By the way, I know the image isn't necessarily appropriate, but I am rather fond of it, and it at least reflects the degree of honor I feel at the result. And it's hard to go wrong with a Picture of the Year candidate. Now, off to a few last tasks before starting work in earnest on the various templates I promised I'd work on. I would welcome the prospect of working with you, sir. John Carter (talk) 22:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC) RudgetRudget (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) appears to have been compromised. Can you look at the AN thread and help him please. Jehochman 16:56, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
recallJust FYI, I'm piggybacking off your recall criteria until I devise my own. Cheers! - Revolving Bugbear 19:14, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
U.S. Roads Newsletter, Issue 1The new volume of Misplaced Pages:US Roads' newsletter is out here.32 20:33, 19 January 2008 (UTC) QuestionJust a quick question before I go. Can bureaucrats remove +sysop flag? Regards, Rudget. 22:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Comments to IP exemptI've replied there. I respect you a great deal, but the "are fooling yourself" remark seems off the mark for me. Forgive me if I misinterpreted but could you consider rephrasing? Warm regards, Mercury at 19:49, 20 January 2008 (UTC) Admin coachingHi Lar. Are you still admin coaching. If you are, would you be willing to take on a new coachee. I know that admin coaching takes alot of effort and is totally voluntary so you can refuse. User:Bluegoblin7 has asked me to find an admin coach for him. Also, I would be willing to help out where I can but obviously Im not experienced enough to do everything yet. User:John has said hes happy with it as long as the coachee isn't in a rush. Thanks very much. Tbo (talk) 17:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Question about recall from JehochmanHow do you feel about very simple criteria? Jehochman 14:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
While I have everyone's ear, what do people think of Radiant's campaign against this idea? Seems somewhat polemical, see for instance Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_adminship/MBK004. Also see the unilateral delete of WP:AAA, which I restored since I think Radiant doesn't own it, others commented too and it's of historical interest. ++Lar: t/c 15:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
If I were writing a process, it would probably consist of something like 'Three admins in good standing ask for my reconfirmation within 30 days, I will list a reconfirmation RfA'. Admins are trusted users, so it eliminates the spurious recall requests more easily than edit count requirements. RfA is an existing process, so you don't need to invent something with new rules and clerks. 15:25, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Question about recall from KeilanaI just revised my (somewhat confusing) criteria and was wondering if you could take a look? Thanks so much. Keilana| 14:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree. Except that my neutral may be your hopelessly biased and vice versa. It may be an insoluble problem. ++Lar: t/c 17:52, 23 January 2008 (UTC) ReplyJust a quick note, I have replied. Regards, Mercury (talk) 00:11, 24 January 2008 (UTC) Re. Pena picsHello Lar. Thank you for your efforts in promoting the pictures I took at the Pena Palace (particularly Image:Pena Palace back.JPG, of course. Needs a correction for the tilt, something I can't do coz I currently lack a decent image editor). I think that this one might just have a good chance. And it isn't tilted. I've recently started expanding Pena National Palace but I've been quite busy these days. Help is always welcome, so hop in anytime you feel like expanding an article about this amazing place. ;-) Best regards, Húsönd 00:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC) Problem editorHello again, Lar. We have a problem editor with Brwarrior2325. Check out the edits he made in the Debbie Stabenow article. Steelbeard1 (talk) 16:51, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
LakerSorry about that, not from the Great lakes :). Mercury (talk) 20:10, 25 January 2008 (UTC) ore dock DYK
User:Raymond_arritt/Expert_withdrawalA two year bout of temporary insanity ;) Mackensen (talk) 17:28, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
My RfaMy effort to regain adminship was unsuccessful, and I'll do what I can to ensure your opinion of my suitability for adminship improves. Thank you for taking some time out of your day to voice your opinion.--MONGO 19:33, 27 January 2008 (UTC) HuggleNot only wicked fast, but wicked useful. :) Keilana| 21:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC) Gary WeissI'm sorry. I didn't realize it was an Amorrow sock, just that the user's edits on Byrne were disruptive. I never noticed that there was no wikilink to the Byrne article. Cool Hand Luke 04:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC) Checkuser identification of LumberjakeHello Please see User talk:John_Reaves#Your block of Lumberjake. Could you please verify on-wiki that Lumberjake (talk · contribs) has been confirmed by checkuser to be the blocked user KONATA KONATA KONATA (talk · contribs)? Thanks, Sandstein (talk) 09:13, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
++Apologies if I caused an edit conflict here. :) Regards, Rudget. 19:44, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXIII (January 2008)The January 2008 issue of the Military history WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. Earl NewtonI started to propose this article Earl Newton for deletion but found it had previously been deleted via AFD and closed by you. I've placed a speedy tag since it doesn't look like anything has changed in the past year or so since it was recreated. If you want to take a look please do. Foghate (talk) 07:37, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
RecallI personally subscribe to "easy come, easy go", and if I've bitten a newbie, they should have their say. What would you suggest? (By the way, I've sorted out all my confusing recall stuff right now on the talk page, could you drop by there and take a look? I've technically had 3 requests, one went through but I kept my bit, the other two failed to go through). Keilana| 23:35, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Re: Your message regarding WP:POINTI wasn't trying to make a point, but I thought the process should be deprecated, as all too often it becomes an excuse to criticize the admin (not constructive criticism). Anyway, apologies for that.. and I haven't edited the page since. --Solumeiras (talk) 23:42, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Checkuser requestHi Lar, would you be kind enough to checkuser User:The Blip, an obvious sock trying to cause even more trouble at this very late stage of what has been a very distressing time. It would be a shame if he were to cause the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse to roam Misplaced Pages, just as I'm getting them back into their stables. Giano (talk) 11:01, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Checkuser on waterboarding RFARHi Lar, Thatcher suggested I follow up with a couple of Checkusers directly. If you look here here, on this RFAR case I had put up a motion for a proper RFCU here. It's based on accumulated evidence here on the Evidence page that one or more users involved are the long-banned User:BryanFromPalatine. Thatcher has also weighed on on that Proposed Decision talk page, in the section directly above the one I linked. The evidence is based on a combination of IPs, geolocation (all the users appear to be within 5-15 miles of BryanFromPalatine's known location of Palatine, IL), behavior, and language. Any review would be appreciated. I apologize for the amount of evidence, but it was a complex one. Lawrence § t/e 18:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Featured soundsI noticed that you have participated in Misplaced Pages:Featured sound candidates in the past. There are now two candidates and the project appears to be abandoned. If you could look at the candidates and vote it would be appreciated. Zginder 18:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
FavourHey Lar. I mistakenly started Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Maeve O'Donovan without bothering to check for ghits. Improvements were made to the article such that I am now convinced that the subject is sufficiently notable to merit an entry on Misplaced Pages and have withdrawn the nomination. I also removed it from the log page. Would you be kind enough to formally close the withdrawn AfD for me? Thanks in advance, and best wishes. --John (talk) 19:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/IRCThis arbitration case has closed and the final decision may be found at the link above. Giano is placed on civility restriction for one year. Should Giano make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, Giano may be blocked for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling. All parties in this case are strongly cautioned to pursue disputes in a civil manner designed to contribute to resolution and to cause minimal disruption. All the involved editors, both the supporters and detractors of IRC, are asked to avoid edit warring on project space pages even if their status is unclear, and are instructed to use civil discussion to resolve all issues with respect to the "admin" IRC channel. For the Arbitration committee, Thatcher 04:08, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Requested User:BryanFromPalatine sock abuse reportAs requested by you. Thanks, Lar. Lawrence § t/e 18:38, 9 February 2008 (UTC) BryanFromPalatine
The sections below are broken down as straighforwardly as I could manage when detailing out all of this information for the RFAR, but some of it was added after the fact, as new connections and evidence were revealed. Note the references to hostipinfo, the website, below. Previously, BryanFromPalatine was an ultra-disruptive sockmaster that was dedicated to advocacy related to Free Republic, and then a whole laundry list of American Conservative political subjects, such as Peter Roskam and Rachel Marsden. He's played a role either directly or illicitly in several obnoxious RFARs and major messes for Misplaced Pages. As previously seen in various cases, he appears to have fairly wide access to a variety of IP ranges, but almost all of them are either in or directly adjacent to the small towns of Palatine, Elmhurst, and Hoffman Estates, in Illinois. All of these towns are within a 5-15 minute drive of each other, depending on whether you happen to look at Google Maps, Yahoo, Mapquest, or what have you. Trivial travel time. BryanFromPalatine, aka User:DeanHinnen, is openly 'from' Palatine, IL. Here is where it gets interesting: based on the more detailed analysis below, virtually *all* of the IPs below are either from, or directly adjacent to, all of these towns in Illinois. Again, on the "worst kept secrets", if you Google around for Bryan or Dean Hinnen, "Bosch" (the owner of the 209.221.240.193 IP), you'll find a news site with a reprinted email from a Bryan Dean Hinnen emailing from a Bosch IP address. Specifically, 209.221.240.193. The insanely wide array of Sprint Wireless IP address (a forest of them on the talk histories of Free Republic and Waterboarding) seem to indicate that BryanFromPalatine has either a smart phone or laptop with an account on Sprint Wireless. If it's anything like my laptop, it takes all of ten seconds to disconnect and reconnect on wireless. If he has a dedicated wireless provider, its entirely possible that he gets a new dynamic IP each time. Some (mostly the people on the list of names/IPs above) have suggested that "anyone" in the world gets these IPs. However, that's shot down by the fact that only people who speak in a legal tone of voice, and all with the same exact interests, all happen to use Sprint Wireless, with the same narrow political focus and agendas. I poked around on the Virgil Griffith Wikiscanner for these IP ranges, and couldn't find ANY evidence of wider usage that would indicate other users. So, the sock and abuse investigation here is based on equal parts IP technical info, and flagrant DUCKing of behavior, tone, and language. Please let me know how you need this broken down further or whatever else you may need. Note that a variety of the Sprint Wireless accounts, as well as Neutral Good, endless have fluffed and primped up Shimbumi2, to the point of giving him a now deleted RFA (detailed below). Shibumi2 was caught on that Goosecreek RFAR, and he mailed with Alison directly on that. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to say that Alison alternately vindicated or exonerated Shibumi2 of any wrongdoing with legal language. Every time I've made these points, they have like clockwork. However, Alison pointed out expressly in the unblock and RFAR workpage that there was no exoneration. Please let me know what else you may need. For more technical evidence, I could gather more IPs from the talk pages, but take your pick, especially the Free Republic talk page history--it's all these same narrow Sprint Wireless ranges. Lawrence § t/e 18:37, 9 February 2008 (UTC) BryanFromPalatine sockpuppetry connectionBased on information from Black Kite's research in his opening statement. There is an extensive history of disruptive sockpuppetry related to conservative issues, and Free Republic happening here. User:BryanFromPalatine is still active on Misplaced Pages. Please review:
Consider:
Evidence that 209.221.240.193 is User:BryanFromPalatine
Evidence that Neutral Good is BryanFromPalatine or his meatpuppet
Evidence that the Cloud of Sprint called "Bob" and related accounts are BryanFromPalatine or his meatpuppets
Evidence that Samurai Commuter is BryanFromPalatine
Evidence that The Friendly Ghost (talk · contribs) is BFP
More evidence they're all BFP
Thats itLet me know what else you need. Lawrence § t/e 18:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC) I think he needs the truth instead. Neutral Good (talk) 04:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC) Lawrence Cohen is lyingSamurai Commuter wasn't banned as a sockpuppet. He was banned as a disruptive SPA. Lawrence Cohen lied about him when he claimed that Samurai Commuter was banned as a sockpuppet. That's just one of the many lies and distortions that Lawrence Cohen has posted here. Lar, please look at the evidence I posted on the Waterboarding RFAR Evidence page. I revealed two more of his distortions there. This is indicative of Lawrence's efforts here: lies and distortions. Neutral Good (talk) 04:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC) Evidence that Justin88 (talk · contribs) is BFP
Dr Who1975I received the following message from Dr Who1975:
Bad FaithI just noticed this request to Markles page from Jan 3 where you ask him to block me to teach me a lesson. What the fuck is wrong with you? I realize we have disagreements and sometimes I get annoyed with your heavy handed techniques (as I'm sure you get annoyed with mine). But I always assume good faith when dealing with you. I would never do this kind of crap to you in a million years. I'd ask for an apology but what's the point.--Dr who1975 (talk) 19:07, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Dr Who1975 has a history of making revisions to articles without regard to consensus. What do you think? Steelbeard1 (talk) 19:14, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
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