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Definitive opportunity

Good afternoon, T. If you'd like, we can try to get Postage stamps and postal history of the Palestinian National Authority ready for a DYK. As I calculate it, prior to Feb 9th we had 1600 bytes on the topic. Since Feb 9th, another 1600 prior to spinout and now up to 7600. So we only need 1400 more for the 5x expansion threshold (5x1600) before Feb 14th. (I also have some media coverage of PNA and stamps/postal stuff as raw data, if you'd like to read it.) Interested? HG | Talk 17:44, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah, so you're working on something calming, like the Archaelogy of the Holy Land, good for you! (Laughing privately to self...;-) Hope it goes well, HG | Talk 19:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

My dear colleague. I'm a twinkie and do not want to get embroiled w/That author, so I came up with a perfectly useful source, one that you might well use in other contexts. How about if we go with less-the-merrier for now, and you can reinsert and debate it after, ahem, five days from now? Milquetoastfully yours, HG | Talk 04:31, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you kindly. And I agree not to worry about the other article, at least for now, because there's the whole broader messiness to deal with. Meanwhile, I'd recommend a wiki rather than coffee break, or maybe a crossword puzzle.... your circadian cycle will return in due course. Take care of yourself, HG | Talk 04:44, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'll refrain from further comment. As you say, I know what it's like plus you did alot of hard (sleepless?) work there. Please go back, though, and revise the "No way, out of line" to something more, well, respectful. PS I did find some interesting sources for you. Thanks. HG | Talk 18:52, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

This source is good & worth reading, dealing with the history of the discipline and the Israeli practitioners. (They use Palestinian archaeol among other terms.) -- "Israeli Archaeology" Ofer Bar-Yosef; Amihai Mazar in World Archaeology, Vol. 13, No. 3, Regional Traditions of Archaeological Research II. (Feb., 1982), pp. 310-325. More random ideas: "Ceramics, Ethnicity, and the Question of Israel's Origins" William G. Dever in The Biblical Archaeologist, Vol. 58, No. 4, Pots & People. (Dec., 1995), pp. 200-213. both JSTOR. Dever seems like a real bulldog on this terminology debate, prolific. "A Passion for Cultural Difference. Archaeology and Ethnicity of the Southern Levant" by N Anfinset, Norwegian Archaeological Review, 2003. (I think deals w/both the interpreters and the interpretations.) "The Bible, Archaeology and Politics; or The Empty Land Revisited" by Biblicist J Blenkinsopp, Journal for the Study of the Old Testament, 2002. Biblical Archaeology as an Academic Discipline in Search of Its Academic Identity, PF Craffert - Religion and Theology, 1998. (Didn't look but good title, eh?) Ever fix that email? Take care, HG | Talk 19:27, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Archaeology articles

I read the article, and as I wrote, I saw nothing there that could not be better placed, in context, in either Biblical Archaeology or Archaeology of Israel. It is somewhat silly to have an article about the archaeology of the area of Israel, the West Bank and Jordan which, for example, only includes criticism of Yadin, one of most well known archaeologists of the area, without talking about him and his work. Feel free to discuss on the article's talk page. Canadian Monkey (talk) 21:11, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

What gives is that there is an ungoing discussion, so please don't unilaterally remove the tag until we reach consensus. I will provide a detailed reply on the Talk page of the article, but that takes more time. Canadian Monkey (talk) 02:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi tiamut! Thanks for the note! Yes, it is a facinating subject...and (yet another) subject I know too little about. However, it looks like re-evaluation of Biblical Archaeology is slightly less painful (for the involved) than re-evaluation of the Archaeology of Israel....if the treatment of Nadia Abu El Haj is anything to go by....

As of Palestinian archaeology, are you familiar with:

• Kapitan, Tomis (editor): Archaeology, History and Culture in Palestine and the Near East: Essays in Memory of Albert E. Glock (ISBN: 078850584X)
• Fox, Edward: Palestine Twilight. The Murder of Dr Albert Glock and the Archaeology of the Holy Land. (ISBN: 0002556073) see also: , , Take care, Huldra (talk) 15:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC) PS: my edit-line is taken from the NewStateman article. Interesting quote,eh?

...ooopsh, I almost forgot: the one online Archaeology magazine I read at regular intervals ...it is aimed at a "popular" readership, but the people behind it seem to have quite solid knowledge of archaeology. Very entertaining. (And people can interpret that negatively or positively, as they like!) You will get a few articles if you search for "Palestinian", including this:

• Books: West Bank Thriller by Sandra Scham, Volume 55 Number 1, January/February 2002
• WAC vs. the Wall, Volume 57 Number 2, March/April 2004

Take care! Huldra (talk) 15:41, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Tried to dig up WAC´s press release, but just found this: Cheers, Huldra (talk) 16:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

First: three articles about more general issues:

• general view,
• Sites and Shrines in Palestine by By Hamdan Taha, 24.11.2006, This Week In Palestine

Also: there really should be something more about the Tell es-Sultan-digs:

• -
• more about Tell es-Sultan

In the last part, you could add something about the controversy over the Dead Sea Scrolls:

• dispute over Dead Sea Scrolls also in CNN And in general, very interesting article; about how it is claimed that Israeli law encourages theft (since they do not allow digs, but do allow trade):

..also: I think you should cut out the sentence: "An anonymous archaeologist who worked on collaborative Palestinian projects accused Taha of being "autocratic" and "very political""; an encyclopedia should not rely on anonymous sources like that..IMO. Have to log out now, take care, you do great work! Huldra (talk) 18:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I'm curious why you deleted this edit by User:Canadian Monkey:

In contrast to the religious motivations of Biblical archaeologists, Israeli archaeology, dating back to 1950s, developed as a secular discipline motivated in part by the nationalistic desire to affirm the link between the modern, nascent Israeli nation-state and the ancient Jewish population of the land. Paleolithic archaeology was of little interest, as was archaeology of Christian and Muslim periods. .

You might want to restore and critique it, either thru an edit summary or the Talk page. Thanks. HG | Talk 19:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I didn't realize that I had deleted that. It must have been a mouse error. In any case, it's since been restored, thankfully. You are correct in noting that it is relevant, reliably sourced and a great asset to the article. Tiamut 13:41, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Military history coordinator selection

The Military history WikiProject coordinator selection process is starting. We are aiming to elect nine coordinators to serve for the next six months; if you are interested in running, please sign up here by February 14! Woody (talk) 10:46, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Spamming

Hi I was wondering how do I go about protecting my page from spamming? --Gamal Al-Ansary (talk) 23:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Nadia Abu El Haj

Hi Tiamut, I corrected the nationality for this person and noted so on the talk page. Does this person hold duel citizenship? If so, can you please provide a source and then we can edit the page accordingly. Thank you. --70.109.223.188 (talk) 14:16, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we should have others comment? I will not revert it again. Regards, --70.109.223.188 (talk) 19:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Need your consent

Please follow up my recent request/comment here: Talk:Palestinian_fedayeen#communal_editing.

With respect, Jaakobou 05:22, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Palestinian Christian

Thanks for improving my edits. I tried to locate the English equivalent sources by couldn't find any, and I'm glad you found some, and also added and corrected relevant details in the article. -- Gabi S. (talk) 14:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello

How are you? I think for many days we don't talk...i find some hard in writing like this things the color or the design of the page..> hope you are alright ..--O.waqfi (talk) 18:11, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Syro-Palestinian archaeology

Your DYK hook does not appear to be supported by reliable sources. I think you will either need to change the hook or come up with a hook that is clearly cited. I can see you've done a lot of work on this article, and I'm sure you'd be disappointed to miss out on getting it featured on DYK. Regards, Gatoclass (talk) 06:01, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, your source looks fine, as the next update is already finalized I will try to get your hook into the one after that :) Gatoclass (talk) 09:15, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

sure..welcome in Irbid :) is everything in wikipedia good with you? .i want to ask you. do you know how to make colors here something like that. --O.waqfi (talk) 09:37, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Let me know when you're ready for me to come back and mess with your mind (and article) some more. ;-) Mazel tov, HG | Talk 14:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

You know, I put a new comment on article Talk, but it might be better to talk about this on user Talk first. I'd like to avoid having to make a long logical and/or referenced argument to demonstrate that the Archaeology of Israel covers much the same ground (literally, eh?!) as Syro-Palestinian archaeology. Now that things have settled down a bit, maybe you can let me know where you stand on this question. From what I can tell, any reliable source on "Archaeology of /Palestine/Syria/Israel/Southern Levant" could be used for the article and constitutes part of the discipline discussed there. (Unless it belongs more on the Biblical side.) So, let me know where you are on this, ok? Take care, HG | Talk 19:41, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Syro-Palestinian archaeology DYK

On 17 February, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Syro-Palestinian archaeology, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Mar7aba

sorry that i rewrite to you so late..I mean like this, (E.g): <color;ff456#><background;anything here> something like this.i forget what these things name.--O.waqfi (talk) 14:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

thansk for the page :)..i don't want to ask them.mabye they are busy, "Tiamut" i didn't know your real name, do you have account at ar.wikipedia (arabic) ?--O.waqfi (talk) 14:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes..it will be OK....In wikipedia Englsih i am interseted too in my country "jordan" i am writing articles about it..everyone must improve these things here. i want to tell you something mabye we will not talk to me next Time.really i am still at school :| ..plz don't take anything wrong about me.--O.waqfi (talk) 15:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Congrats

Just wanted to say Mabruk! on Palestinian costumes passing its GA review and Syro-Palestinian arhchaelogy getting they DYK!

You clearly deserve this...

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		For your astonishing effort in providing wikipedia with high quality material on Palestine-related subjects such as the good articles of Tawfiq Canaan and Palestinian costumes and your dozen DYKs, not to mention your work on depopulated Palestinian villages. Wallah Mabruk! –-Al Ameer son (talk) 23:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Archiving.

First 40 sections are now archived to #12. -- Avi (talk) 15:08, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Your comments on my Talk page

Your threats will not get you far, and I suggest you look at your own actions before rushing of to AE. I will add mention of the Golan heights to that section, and will continue the discussion in detail later tonight, as I'm off to work. Canadian Monkey (talk) 17:31, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

(posting response here for the record since some users tend to vanish later): This comment on my talk page where you refer to above comment as a "threat" is uncalled for. I am giving you a fair warning that I view your editing at that page to be disruptive. It was good of you to re-add the Golan Heights as you did in this edit just now. Clearly, that is an acknowledgement that your edit removing that information was inappropriate. I am still waiting for a response to a number of other issues on the talk page and would to like to discuss that issue with you further, since it's still not clear to me that the site is in indeed inside Israel proper and that suggestion remains at the top of that section, per your previous edit. I do understand however that you have to go to work. So I'll be expecting to hear from you later. Do be aware however, that I am very serious about this warning, and I expect that when you return to editing, you will give plenty of consideration to the unanswered issues I have raised regarding your edits on the talk page there before continuing to make edits without regard to discussion. Thanks. Tiamut 17:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

1. A History of Archaeological Thought, Bruce G. Trigger, Cambridge University Press, p.273-274