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All,

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Kingsley Miller

I don't think its right to say Bowlby developed his theory further because of a 'body of criticism', particularly when much of the 'body of criticism' you cite postdates his main works. Secondly I think you do the likes of Bowlby a disservice by assuming they behave as if their theories are set in stone, that they have to get absolutely everything right all at once and that any subsequent development somehow proves them wrong. This is not how science works. You have also missed out the rather important stuff about the hierearchy of attachments which seems to indicate that although infants can develop a number of attachments (precise number unknown) they tend to have a primary, preferred one - and then others in a descending hierarchy. Where you are on the hierarchy would depend not on whether you had a willy or not but on the extent to which you were the primary carer. Fainites 21:30, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

It is no good making these comments without consulting my references.

Dr John Bowlby established the theory of Maternal Deprivation in 'Maternal Care and Mental Health' (1951), that is the reason he gave it that title. The welfare system in the UK after WW2 adopted this theory and many of the troubles you have editing these pages on attachment comes from people that do not know he was wrong. MARVIN's (sic) comments stem from this very problem. He deals with mothers not fathers. He has had to concede the argument because he knows what I am saying is true.

Bowlby MADE HIS REPUTATION BASED ON THIS THEORY.

The World Health Organisation, who employed Bowlby at the time he produced 'Maternal Care and Mental Health', felt obliged to publish a rebuttal called 'Deprivation of Maternal Care; A Reassessment of its Effects' (1962) in which many of the World's top psychologists disagreed with Bowlby.

PEOPLE STILL DO NOT REALISE HE GOT IT WRONG and still think he is famous for this theory. I spoke to somebody the other day doing her second degree at Southampton University. The first time around she said Bowlby was out of vogue. This time he is back in vogue and she cannot hope to pass her degree and contradict him!

See how the references to Bowlby in Misplaced Pages NOW say that he DEVELOPED the attachment theory. HE DID NOT INVENT IT! People were already developing the idea. He put the ideas together but this does not qualify him for greatness.

SO WHAT IS HIS LEGACY?

Really he is know as the man who said children love their mothers!

What is great about that? I could tell you that.

Why do people still believe the Maternal Deprivation theory?

Because it is reinforced all around us. By the media, in the courts, by government.

It is like buying a second hand car - there is somebody born everyday who will be taken in by the theory.

So what is so special about Rutter?

His work flew in the face of convention. He saw through the stereotypes that blinded Bowlby's work. Bowlby's work on attachment is an APOLOGY for his mistake.

Rutter, in his slim volume 'Maternal Deprivation Reassessed', showed more understanding than Bowlby ever could in his thick tomes.

I have written these pages so people such as yourself can voice their opinions.

You have set your task to sort out the pages on psychology.

To make a difference between 'bonding' and 'attachment' is playing with words.

If you want to give the Misplaced Pages pages some credibility REDIRECT all the pages on BONDING to the ATTACHMENT THEORY (and remove the contents of these pages which is unadulterated rubbish).

(You will have to keep the titles because you will forever get people writing about 'bonding' without knowing the work of Bowlby or Rutter).

NEXT, change the heading on 'Attachment in children' to the 'Strange Situation Protocol'.

This will give you the control you need to make sure all the contents of these pages meet the strict Misplaced Pages standards.

I will support you as much as I can.

PS

Please have a look at one of my video clips, possibly 'Bonding - The Attachment Theory' It has been seen by 14,741 people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMTIlXavtqU

Also see my petition at http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ChildsFather/

"We are shocked by the suggested amendment to the human fertilisation and embryology act 1990 that 'children do not need a father'. All the research goes to show that fathers are just as important as mothers to the welfare of children. It was Dr Bowlby in 'Maternal Care and Mental Health' in 1951 who stated that,

'Mother-love in infancy and childhood is as important for mental health as are vitamins and proteins for physical health'.

This led to government policy which supported the idea that fathers went to work whilst mothers should stay at home to look after the family. We the undersigned believe the suggested amendment to the act is a 'throw back' to a bygone age and that there is good research to show that the welfare of children will suffer without the support of a father.

We petition that the amendment is not put before the House of Commons and respectfully ask the Prime Minister not to deny other children the same opportunity as his own - the love and affection of a father."

910 SIGNATURES

KingsleyMiller (talk) 23:50, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

PPS

Bowlby's work was based on the concept of 'monotropy', that there was only one important person to the child. It was Rutter who said that a child can rely on a small group of primary carers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KingsleyMiller (talk • contribs) 23:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Here is a quote from "Attachment and Loss", the first volume of Attachment which he started in 1956:

• "In this discussion so far it has been implied that a child directs his attachment behavior towards one particular figure, referred to either as his mother figure or even simply as his mother. This usage, which for the sake of brevity is unavoidable, has nonetheless given rise on occasion to misunderstanding. For example, it has sometimes been alleged that I have expressed the view that mothering should always be provided by a childs natural mother, and also that mothering 'cannot be safely distributed among several figures' (Mead 1962). No such views have been expressed by me..........almost from the first many children have more than one attachment figure towards whom they direct attachment behaviour; these figures are not treated alike; the role of the child's principal attachment figure can be filled by others than the natural mother."

Heres another bit:

• "It is evident that whom a child selects as his principal attachment figure and to how many other figures he becomes attached, turn in large part on who cares for him and on the composition of the household in which he is living. As a matter of empirical fact there can be no doubt that in virtually every culture the people in question are most likely to be his natural mother, father, older siblings, and perhaps grandparents, and that it is from amongst these figures that a child is most likely to select both his principal attachment-figure and his subsidiary figures."

He then discusses two (then) recent studies, one in Scotlad and one in Ganda. He points out that in both studies, only children living with their natural mother had been selected and therefore "it is not surprising that in an overwhelming proportion of cases a child's principal attachment figure was his natural mother." He then makes a point of pointing out that even then, there were instances in both studies where childrens principal attachment figure was their father, and that in a number of others the father came to share the role of principal attachment figure in the second year even though the mother had been the principal figure in the first year. It is obvious that he is highlighting this to illustrate his point that anybody can be a principal attachment figure.

I don't think trying to pin Bowlby down to the 1952 publication of maternal deprivation and the subsequent misrepresentation of his views for political purposes is really providing good Wiki articles. Fainites 22:01, 27 February 2008 (UTC)