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Revision as of 22:23, 30 July 2005

I've deleted a welcome message and several posts from someone upset that I removed links to her site that were inappropriately added to several pages. If you feel like reading those, they are in the history.

Please add new comments below.

DreamGuy 01:38, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC)

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Gwine

Thanks for looking over Scipiocoon's contributions. I'm bothered by the casual use of words and phrases like "darkish dialect" and "smoky entertainment." I'm at work, and can't roam the Wiki as freely as I can at home. Glad someone else is watching out. Let me know if there's any way I can help. Joyous 13:36, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

Ripper victim

If I remember correctly Gordon is a new member. He might not be aware of the policies regarding moves. And I could be wrong, but I think he hasn't had all that much time to respond. He was busy editing the reference sections. I'll talk to him and change the link as soon as the page is moved. ] 21:59, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, he's new. He's been going through and changing it to Catharine other places too even after seeing my concern on his talk page at least (as he responded to it, though he may have missed the explanation). I have no problem with waiting for it to be cleared up, but then if he starts hunting down all mentions of "Catherine" on other pages (suspects, famous prostitutes, people famous in death, etc.) it's just that much more to undo later. The article was previously on an article with the correct spelling, which he has since forwarded to the new one he made, so would we have to have the original deleted and the new one moved? DreamGuy 22:04, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

I've changed the title on the Ripper letters template, technically speaking the postcard wasn't a letter, but you're right. The title was misleading. I'll keep an I on the Catharine links and see how it goes. ] 08:37, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

George Chapman

Hi DreamGuy;

Thanks for your message regarding Dr. Thomas Neill Cream. Thanks for fixing the page up a bit too with regards to my misspelling of his name.

I've recently added an entry for George Chapman, the Polish guy listed as a possible Ripper suspect (it needed a Disambiguation because it's also the same name as some poet or other.) I did not put a huge amount about the case because I only have one book that mentions him and I can't find too much on the web other than those that list a brief description of him under the heading of 'Ripper suspects'. I'll see what else I can find to expand it a bit. I also put in a note about how he is considered a suspect by Frederick Abberline but how he is also disregarded by some as a suspect because it is unlikely a nutcase would go from ripping women open to just poisoning girlfriends. Obviously you are more than welcome to add to the cross-referencing between Chapman and Jack T. Ripper; I figure myself quite knowledgable on most things serial-killery but not so much on historical cases, so you sound like the best person to inject such Ripper-related info into the Chapman article.

Take care. User:Robert Mercer, December 23

Ads

There is Misplaced Pages:External links, which also links to Misplaced Pages:Spam#External link spamming.

When an administrator goes to the User contributors , or difference between revisions (clicking "compare selected versions" in the page history), there appears next to each edit which is still the most recent of each article a "rollback" button which undones the edit and creates an automated message.

I'll take a look at that edit history. Hyacinth 04:32, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

way too unnecessarily specific

Yes, you're probably right. Sorry. In my defense, though, I'd like to point out that I changed it from "US$10", which I find a particularly horrid hieroglyph, up there with "and/or". De gustibus... –Hajor 15:06, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No defense needed, I was just explaining my edit. I would agree with you that US$ is generally not something an encyclopedia article should have, and in cases where it's necessary to specify your way would be better. DreamGuy 15:28, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

Beltway Sniper Attacks

I was working on red links for Bushmaster Firearms, Inc. and was also in the Beltway Sniper article. I understand your points, and will stand clear this time. SBTC (Sorry 'bout that chief). Thanks for your work to improve these articles and links. Mark in Richmond. Vaoverland 15:21, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

Let me respond over on your page... DreamGuy 15:31, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

Brady Campaign and Brady Center

I felt that is was important to get the information into the sniper story that some action was taken to recover something for the victims and hold the gun dealer responsible. Bushmaster will probably be more cautious in selecting who will distribute their guns also.

These are apparently two separate entities, both still in existence. They have different origins the were brought together with Brady names if I am reading the website correctly. From this website:

"The Brady Campaign works to enact and enforce sensible gun laws, regulations and public policies through grassroots activism, electing progun control public officials and increasing public awareness of gun violence."

"The Brady Center works to reform the gun industry and educate the public about gun violence through litigation and grassroots mobilization, and works to enact and enforce sensible regulations to reduce gun violence including regulations governing the gun industry."

It sounds like the Legal Action Project could be involved in both, but mostly the latter. They probably have different funding and while the goals seem to be similar, in the political and lobbying worlds they would find political friends in varying camps.

See if you agree: http://www.bradycenter.org/about/

I'll fix the red in Brady article. If I can get more information, i will write a short bio to fit the red linked owner of Bull's Eye. Mark Vaoverland 16:25, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the help on naming conventions. That is a weak area for me. I wasn't involved with the Brady Campaign article, and i didn't popup when I created the Brady Center etc article. Are you going to work on it? Its unfamilar terrority to me. Vaoverland 17:44, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

RE: James Brady didn't found Brady Center or Brady Campaign, makes sense, since each was older org predating his injury which they renamed in his honor (and to gain better publicity, no doubt). Vaoverland 19:20, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

Brady again

Sorry about the duplicate int link. During the night, someone working from an IP address relocated his place of birth to Daytona Beach, Florida and I was in there fixing that (after verifying that Centralia, Illinois was accurate). Vaoverland 18:06, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)

"Image:Akhenaton.jpg"

Thanks for calling my attention to my error in tagging Image:Akhenaton.jpg. I have no doubt you are correct. I'll try to be more careful in the future. —Vespristiano 07:16, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The High Road

I'm impressed at how you're handling the harassment on your talk page. You seem to be staying calm while dealing with others who are acting childishly. Joyous 22:48, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

Pazuzu

Why remove the TV section/Futura reference from the Pazuzu entry? It seems just as relevent as all of the other pop culture references. ((Also, how do you sign something in MediaWiki?)) (was unsigned, but by User:Troublekit)

I'm replying to you there on the talk page. To sign something type four ~ symbols in a row. DreamGuy 06:04, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Troublekit 07:33, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Harpy

Good work on the Harpy article man :) FrancisTyers 00:42, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll see if I have time to round up an image or two for that also. DreamGuy 02:27, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)

Medusa Edit

Wow that was a pretty dry edit to the Medusa page. I agree it needs a lot more and there are so many versions of the tale that some facts can get skewed but, really--a little literary voice doesn't hurt. 16:50, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Hi... encyclopedias typically don't have "literary voice," if what you mean by that is the part that was there about fountaining blood from a decapitated stump of a neck or whatever it was that used to say. It's like they say on Dragnet: "Just the facts, ma'am." DreamGuy 01:39, May 1, 2005 (UTC)

Mythology is an oral tradition---not so much about hard and fast "facts". It's true there are some basic things that should be adhered to, but a little embellishment in the form of strong description doesn't interfere with that. Part of the fun is the gore. 17:23, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

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You are talking about styles of storytelling when you should be concerned with encyclopedia style. We're here to give information about topics, not to emulate their style of writing. I would also disagree strongly that "gore" is a typical part of mythology, as very often those details are entirely glossed over. DreamGuy 17:52, May 2, 2005 (UTC)

John Doe

Why'd you edit out my line? I know the show didn't last long or was very well known, but at least two of the others listed weren't that famous either. unsigned, but left by anon user User:83.195.7.236

Mentioning the failed TV program John Doe on the Jack the Ripper page just because one solitary episode claiming to be based upon some facts from the Ripper case but botched them all is pointless subtrivia that doesn't belong on the page, as per my explanation in the edit comments. Two of other the others may not be that famous but they are considerably more famous than that... And it may be that some of the others were removed by me but put back, it's possible I may have to go back and delete more. DreamGuy 07:56, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

Medusa

hi DreamGuy, i've answered on Medusa on my talk page. Thanks. Xah Lee 11:00, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

3rr Gabriel

I personally dislike blocks for 3RR violations, never supported them in the first place, and think they are overused. That said, they are policy, and I do block people for 3RR violations although I do so very rarely. I only blocked him because I wanted him to stop making irresponsible edits to the 9/11 article. He has stopped. Since the block served its purpose, I have removed it.

In general, the only good thing about 3RR blocks is that the threat of them prevents really lame edit wars. Occasionally they must actually be imposed for the threat to remain credible.

3RR blocks do nothing to improve the collegial atmosphere or social workings of Misplaced Pages, other than be preventing edit wars. Long-term blocks for repeat 3RR violations are unlikely to be supported by the admin community as a whole, and if they are, are most likely to result in sock puppets and so forth. Long-term blocks of people who are making a genuine effort to contribute (however misguided they may be) are a last resort that is used when an editor has exhausted the community's patience.

The Uninvited Co., Inc. 13:32, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Request for comments

I just placed a request for comment on Gabrielsimon's behavior. Please read it and sign it if you agree. --Pablo D. Flores 13:48, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Deletion of comments

DreamGuy, why are you mad at me now? I thought we agreed to put the past behind us. : ( Dbraceyrules 23:47, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

In this recent edit you specifically mention your intent to never side with me on anything I ever do here. You've admitted that you are edit warring based upon your conflict with me and not based upon content of articles. You have once agains proven bad faith in your dealings here. You posted that rude comment, admitted your actions are based upon revenge, and then you come here asking why I am mad? It's because every time you claim that you want to let the past be the past you go elsewhere and continue your harassment and edit warring. DreamGuy 00:34, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I made that statement before saying anything about put the past aside. Sorry. Dbraceyrules 00:51, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Response from Evmore

Hi thanks for the questions concerning the pictures. I've never had a question so I hope it is alright for me to edit your page like this. Concerning the pictures:

• The cover page of Varney the Vampire is indeed a reprint edition, but it is by no means a modern publication, it is from a 1853 reprint. (It was first published in 1845.) Check here for information about it and other images.
• As for the images by Wang Wei, he as a website and an e-mail address, blizzard@wangwei-art.com, I asked him if I could post them on Misplaced Pages and he said yes. I have a copy of the e-mail with his authorization. Even without it, it would still be considered fair use. Do not remove my images again unless you are an administrator.
• As for the vampire killing kit picture, it is by someone releasing it into public domain. I don't know if I used the right tag or not but that is what it is.

(unsigned but by USer:Evmore)

I'm sorry, but you don't seem to understand what I explained to you.

• I am perfectly aware that Varney the Vampire was first published in 1845. The image you have has text at the bottom that was not in the original or the 1853 reprint. It comes from a modern reprint of the old book. See the "Arno PRess" on the bottom? The Arno Press version was made in 1970. The Arno PRess line is copyright in 1970. You can't have that here.
• I'm sorry, but you don't understand what fair use means, and you also seem to completely misunderstand Misplaced Pages. I can remove your images from articles if they are inappropriate, just like any other editor here can choose to do. Being an administrator has nothig to do with it. As far as removing the images themselves, unless you take care of these issues I will mark them as violating copyrights, unknonw permission, etc. so that others can remove them unless you can show that they can be here.
• "Someone releasing it into the public domain"...? I already saw that you wrote that, but i do not know where you came up with that idea. You need to be more specific. Who released it? Fif they take the photo? Who owns the kit in question and does that have a copyright on it? Did the rights owner(s) sign a license stating that it is in the public domain? These things are necessary.

I am putting this on your talk page too. DreamGuy 23:53, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, for the past on your page it helps with the chat. You may be right a few things and me not understanding Misplaced Pages is one of them...but I am learning quickly.

• Even if I am wrong about the Arno Press version you know very well that the limited use of book covers is considered fair use in an encyclopedia such as this, "It is believed that book covers may be exhibited on Misplaced Pages under the fair use provision of United States copyright law." I changed the tag to {{Bookcover}} just to be certain. I can have it there. You can mark them as you wish but in the end you will lose and the cover will stay.
• Do you have a problem with Wang Wei images or not?
• As for as how Misplaced Pages works, I know I don't have to answer up to every person wondering if the tag is right, but I'll find the page where the guys says it is for public domain, till then I'll change it to fair use.

--Evmore 00:24, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

By the way, I moved these comments to your talk page because they didn't belong on your user page. Dbraceyrules 12:44, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

sorry

aboutthe tag theng, and well, plenty of other crap. Gabrielsimon 00:25, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Proposal to delete your RfC

Why not? I see no use fighting anymore. I am sorry for ever certifying it. Dbraceyrules 00:37, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

a thught ( a polite one at that, please dont delete)

mythology does change with the times, to a degree, doesnt it? so its possible later mytholigeis are modernized, so to speak... Gabrielsimon 23:03, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Mythology does change with the times, but fiction is not mythology. Mythology is the study of stories about supernatural events and beings thought to exist and have importance to the functioning of the world. The only time fiction becomes mythology is when people don't realize it is fiction and treat it as some genuine real world belief. Yes, there is lots of modern mythology out there, but fiction is an entirely different animal, an any attempt to equate the too misses the whole concept. DreamGuy 23:11, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

 though it is said that every myth  has a grain of truth to it.  by which i am  treying to say, what if certain myths are  just aggradnzied versions of nearly forgoteen history? ( jus wonderin)

Gabrielsimon 23:13, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Some myths probably are.... although it is certainly untrue that every myth has a grain of truth in it, unless you mean philosophical truth, which isn;t the same thing as real world truth... but none of that has nothing to do with the fiction that the other editor is trying to force in there. By the way, what on earth are you doing on Vampire and Vampire fiction jumping in to revert my changes to join up in another edit war against me without even trying to talk about it? I thought you were supposed to stop that nonsense? Please go unrevert them. DreamGuy 23:16, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

i wanted to change things to how they were before you seemed to move the section without any sort of discussion ( as i saw it) to allow for somne discussion, no hatred intended. Gabrielsimon 23:18, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

consensus

The Authentic Matthew VFD has closed. The results were

• Delete - 21 (58%)
• Keep - 11 (31%)
• Merge - 4 (11%)

This was declared to have been no consensus, and therefore a new VFD has been opened at Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Authentic Matthew (consensus).

Would you be prepared to re-add your vote there? ~~~~ ( ! | ? | * ) 09:45, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

about 1rr

i slept between imes when one change and the other were made, so i didnt realize anything was being done wrong. Gabrielsimon 21:44, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Comments from Talk:Otherkin

I think we need to take a cue from the Pseudocscience section of Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view. It states that completely bizare claims from nonreputable sources shouldn't be mentioned at all (NPOV does not mean giving equal time to every possible claim anyone makes... see the policy for more on this) and common claims that go against accepted knowledge need to be discussed within that framework. DreamGuy 21:15, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

I just read the pseudoscience section, and I did not see that it says "completely bizare claims from nonreputable sources shouldn't be mentioned at all"? Can you elaborate? Friday 21:59, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

That part isn't the pseudoscience section, it's a paraphrase of the # 10.5 Giving "equal validity" section. DreamGuy 22:08, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

your accepotance of knowledge does not nessessarily make something accepted knowledge. Gabrielsimon 22:01, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm not saying *my* acceptance, I am saying mainstream scientific acceptance... And, by the way, your argument applpies more directly to *your* unsourced opinions that you keep trying to insert into articles and supporting only with "that's the way it is" or "it's a family oral tradition". DreamGuy 22:08, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

dont change the subject, this is about you, not me. Gabrielsimon 22:09, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

No, actually, it's not. It's about you. It's about how you complain about me doing things when I am only following clearly stated Misplaced Pages policies. It's about you claiming you want to do better but not taking the time to read the policies in question. It's about you having such an incredibly stubborn idea that your bias isn't bias but the way things ought to be that you refuse to listen to anyone else and complain when they aren't pushing their side but just trying to come to a compromise in the middle. If I was really pushing my side the Otherkin article would start out something like "A bunch of raving lunatics who need psychiatric help claim to have animals and other species inside of them based upon their need to be highly dramatic and self-important because they can't get any self-worth in their pathetic, miserable lives any other way..." You're so far off on your side (werewolves and vampires actually exist, and even a mention that some psychiatrists call it mental illness would be horrible, etc.) that meeting in the middle looks like bias to you. DreamGuy 22:23, July 30, 2005 (UTC)