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| :::Believe me my friend I have gone through much of what you are talking about in my own family. It is very human to first blame the practice or the Master for the problems we see in our lives after someone engages into a true spiritual practice, because it brings change and we don't like that. In fact these problems are the very tools to develop patience, tolerance and Love, the three essential elements, but instead of going through these, we resist and in some cases it results in the unfortunate separation. If one goes through these, it would truly change one's perspective, rather oneself for good. It's pretty childish to say all spiritual practices (seems like what you call as cults) lead to pain and sufferings. Yeah they do unsettle lot of things, like when we dust a desk after many days or months, we may sneeze for a while, but we know that a higher purpose is being served. In fact life itself will bring those circumstances, just in a much much longer time span. Anyways, my main purpose of writing to you was trying to suggest positive actions. It is pretty evident that you are more interested in listing pending court cases against this organization rather than really giving true information about it, but my friend, Misplaced Pages is too matured to let that happen and such efforts will only leave you more drained and frustrated. Tell me which big and good organization does not have court cases against them, it is very easy to file a case don't we know. If a spiritual organization is really effective, has a guru who is capable, has members who really have changed in a positive way, it is like a flower blooming in the garden, bees will find it. We all have free will and power of discretion to judge, I respect yours and trust that you will '''do the right thing'''. ] (]) 21:45, 26 March 2008 (UTC) | :::Believe me my friend I have gone through much of what you are talking about in my own family. It is very human to first blame the practice or the Master for the problems we see in our lives after someone engages into a true spiritual practice, because it brings change and we don't like that. In fact these problems are the very tools to develop patience, tolerance and Love, the three essential elements, but instead of going through these, we resist and in some cases it results in the unfortunate separation. If one goes through these, it would truly change one's perspective, rather oneself for good. It's pretty childish to say all spiritual practices (seems like what you call as cults) lead to pain and sufferings. Yeah they do unsettle lot of things, like when we dust a desk after many days or months, we may sneeze for a while, but we know that a higher purpose is being served. In fact life itself will bring those circumstances, just in a much much longer time span. Anyways, my main purpose of writing to you was trying to suggest positive actions. It is pretty evident that you are more interested in listing pending court cases against this organization rather than really giving true information about it, but my friend, Misplaced Pages is too matured to let that happen and such efforts will only leave you more drained and frustrated. Tell me which big and good organization does not have court cases against them, it is very easy to file a case don't we know. If a spiritual organization is really effective, has a guru who is capable, has members who really have changed in a positive way, it is like a flower blooming in the garden, bees will find it. We all have free will and power of discretion to judge, I respect yours and trust that you will '''do the right thing'''. ] (]) 21:45, 26 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
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| I'll email you, but I'd first like some assurances you wont reinsert it without consensus , either in main space or user space. ''']''' (]) 22:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
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Thanks and....
Thank you for the changes to your userpage. :) I like this current version much better.
If you remember, I was very much interested in working with you ON the Sahaj Marg article (as opposed to deleting it) with you and I am still am. With a few more sources and not giving WP:UNDUE to controversy, an article is probably possible. Sethie (talk) 22:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Re;Tagging Hindu-German Conspiracy
If you did read the entire page, you will have noticed the Note on the name section which is linked in the introductory words (not even sentence, but word). It explains why and how the term "Hindu" came to be used and linked to the conspiracy. For the sake of clarity, I will quote it here
| “ | The term Hindu was used commonly in opprobrium in America to identify Indians regardless of religion. Likewise, conspiracy was also a negative term. The term Hindu Conspiracy was used by the government to actively discredit the Indian revolutionaries. | ” |
The references 102 and 147 are from Joan Jensen's paper in the February 1979 issue of the Pacific Historical Review (Jensen, Joan M (1979), The "Hindu Conspiracy": A Reassessment. The Pacific Historical Review, Vol. 48, No. 1. (Feb., 1979), pp. 65-83, University of California Press, ISSN 0030-8684). In the article she explicitly explains why and how it was called the "Hindu-German Conspiracy",even why the term conspiracy came to be used, and also explains why it is a misnomer to describe the event.
Pardon me for assuming then that you did not read the entire page, not least a whole section that addresses your concerns. May I request you not to engage in such taggings.] (] · ]) 20:07, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- Other names used for the topic are the Indo-German Conspiracy, the Ghadar conspiracy (or Ghadr conspiracy), or the German plot. Why not use these names and place HINDU-GERMAN CONSPIRACY in the note ? all the reference give at least one of the alternative names for the theory. --talk-to-me! (talk) 22:22, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
WP:ANI notice
There is a discussion about your edits at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#4th_re-posting_of_previously_deleted_page.2C_circumvention_of_deletion_review_process. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 01:25, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- tnx for info... --talk-to-me! (talk) 21:28, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Your warning of me
Thank you for this ] as I said, I welcome public scrutiny of my actions.
Just FYI, in using the warn templates, you start with the first one and work your way up. If I am to be blocked for my editing, you will need to follow the appropriate protocols to ensure that this happens. Sethie (talk) 18:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- OOh comeon.. i m not on wikipedia to get anyone blocked.... just that your persistent useless warnings irritated me a bit. --talk-to-me! (talk) 21:28, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- Good one! Lol! Thanks for the joke.... it was fun to smile with you
- And nice to hear an expression of feelings. Wow. Nice post. Sethie (talk) 03:14, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
MfD nomination of User:Cult free world/Proposed Sahaj Marg India
User:Cult free world/Proposed Sahaj Marg India, a page you created, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:Cult free world/Proposed Sahaj Marg India and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Cult free world/Proposed Sahaj Marg India during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you.
- Renee, when you ask other's to remember to sign their posts, you must not forget to do that yourself.--talk-to-me! (talk) 16:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Reaching out to you
This is in regards to the Sahaj Marg page which you are trying to start and which is already under MfD as mentioned above . I don't know if you are Shashwat and/or Rushmi, little I care also, but if you really want to make a better world, then perhaps start with a positive step, like having a positive thought, wearing a positive attitude. It really works!! Now if we start analyzing it, we may argue for hours what is positive and what is negative; however there is one tool we all have which holds the key to the right answer and that is our Hearts, so if we turn to our hearts and ask it to first forget ourselves, our desires, our tendencies, our compulsions, our pre-judices and then tell if this is a right action, surely the right answer will come. I am not suggesting any right answer, all I am suggesting is a means to get it because believe me, I am as interested in making a better world as perhaps you are, if not more. While this may sound simple, it's not easy ... don't believe it then give it a try. Duty2love (talk) 04:17, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- There is something which i learned from my life experience, never get surprised, any cult related article that i touch, cult member's claim, i am someone who was previously involved with article, but the same does not hold true with the other party which had bitter experience with that particular cult. When you talk about heart, kindly go and speak to those who have suffered unexplainable, unbearable pain of separation, all in name of spirituality and speaking from heart, why is it, that all cults lead to one path, and that is pain and sufferings not only to those who are directly involved but to many many more life's which are indirectly related to the directly infected person ? your heart becomes silent there ? about various other names, that people have given me here, do you really think i care more then how much you care for that ? The page is deliberately being prevented from getting published, by the group itself with the sole intention of preventing information such as sexual abuse, and other court cases from getting into public domain, does you heart supports that ? or your heart is only conditioned to support view of the particular group you are involved with ? if this is the case, then it is not a just case. --talk-to-me! (talk) 16:34, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- Believe me my friend I have gone through much of what you are talking about in my own family. It is very human to first blame the practice or the Master for the problems we see in our lives after someone engages into a true spiritual practice, because it brings change and we don't like that. In fact these problems are the very tools to develop patience, tolerance and Love, the three essential elements, but instead of going through these, we resist and in some cases it results in the unfortunate separation. If one goes through these, it would truly change one's perspective, rather oneself for good. It's pretty childish to say all spiritual practices (seems like what you call as cults) lead to pain and sufferings. Yeah they do unsettle lot of things, like when we dust a desk after many days or months, we may sneeze for a while, but we know that a higher purpose is being served. In fact life itself will bring those circumstances, just in a much much longer time span. Anyways, my main purpose of writing to you was trying to suggest positive actions. It is pretty evident that you are more interested in listing pending court cases against this organization rather than really giving true information about it, but my friend, Misplaced Pages is too matured to let that happen and such efforts will only leave you more drained and frustrated. Tell me which big and good organization does not have court cases against them, it is very easy to file a case don't we know. If a spiritual organization is really effective, has a guru who is capable, has members who really have changed in a positive way, it is like a flower blooming in the garden, bees will find it. We all have free will and power of discretion to judge, I respect yours and trust that you will do the right thing. Duty2love (talk) 21:45, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
copies
I'll email you, but I'd first like some assurances you wont reinsert it without consensus , either in main space or user space. DGG (talk) 22:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)