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List of people with the longest marriages

Slow down! There's nothing wrong with adding so much, but wait until you've accumulated it, then add it. If you really want to renovate an article, start it on a subpage of your user account, then transfer it to the main article once it's complete. — The Man in Question (gesprec) · (forðung) 21:32, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

It's finished now though. Extremely sexy (talk) 21:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

But you reverted several edits of mine, including additions, corrections, link fixes, surnames, ... in the process as well. Extremely sexy (talk) 22:08, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Why won't you add your corrections again, since now you can, Questioning Man? Extremely sexy (talk) 14:37, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

"External links" v. "references"

Hi Bart! I did some reading to get to the bottom of whether to use "External links" or "References" for links like those found on the Lucy Hannah page, and this is what I came up with -- the style guideline on "external links" says in part:

Sites that have been used as sources in the creation of an article should be cited in the article, and linked as references, either in-line or in a references section. Links to these source sites are not "external links" for the purposes of this guideline, and should not be placed in an external links section.

The style guideline on citing sources says contrasts "general references ... that support a significant amount of material in the article" with "inline citations ... that provide source information for specific statements".

If I read these guidelines correctly, the Hannah article is aptly tagged for cleanup for lacking inline citations -- but the links which are provided do serve as general references, and therefore do not belong in the external links section. Does that make sense? -- Shunpiker (talk) 04:46, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, understood: I agree with you. Extremely sexy (talk) 20:08, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Lazare Ponticelli

Even though I did most of the work, I couldn't help some of your edits to Lazare Ponticelli. I have requested a peer review at Misplaced Pages:Peer review/Lazare Ponticelli/archive1, in case you wish to comment. Hopefully we can improve it to GA status. Editorofthewiki 23:59, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. Extremely sexy (talk) 20:44, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Blocked for 72 hours

After a long series of warnings about your disruption, I finally warned you earlier in January that if you continued to insert your personal bias on the Ruby Muhammad page and violating the consensus discussed in the Request for Comment you would be blocked for one week. Then you continued, but still I and others tried to discuss it with you on your talk page and you were warned by myself and others to stop being disruptive on that page. I thought the message had finally gotten through, since you seemed to be greatly improving in your edits and I was very happy. But then, for no reason whatsoever, you do this in complete disregard for the fact that the consensus on the talk page is not to reference her possible age fib due to a lack of its publication in third-party, reliable sources.

I said that "I'm fine with changing her to longevity claim, if we apply the standard to EVERYONE who turns 110 until they are verified by an international body." Well, you didn't put her in one category or the other, just accused her of not being 111 (true or not is irrelevant thanks to WP:BLP) and you didn't do the same for Yakup Satar, whom you edited three minutes before. Therefore, because you have received a dozen warnings and yet continue to be disruptive and ignore consensus on the page, I am blocking you for 72 hours. I brought it down from my original warning of a week because I think you've done a lot of constructive work over the past week or so and you've been very respectful. But nothing excuses constant disruption after this many warnings from this many users. Cheers, CP 15:45, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Bart Versieck (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

just the word "alleged" is not forbidden, is it, and, by the way, for all I know she could be dead: someone first changed the sentence mentioned into "she turned 111", but that isn't proven either, meaning her current status of living

Decline reason:

you were ignoring consensus, and thereby disruptive. In future, establish consensus on the talk page, and then make the article changes. — PhilKnight (talk) 19:28, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

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Request reason:

what consensus, for there is none?

Decline reason:

That question is not a reason why your block violated blocking policy and should be overturned. — Sandstein (talk) 22:44, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

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Bart Versieck (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I was blocked by an administrator who is definitely already too much involved in the matter itself to have the right to block me

Decline reason:

You have offered no excuse for your behaviour. — Yamla (talk) 15:05, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

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Comment from NealIRC

Not sure if non-admins can make comments, but here goes:

Bart, you're making too many fallacies. Italicizing your text.

just the word "alleged" is not forbidden, is it,

No of course not. For example, you could have used another word that means the same thing as "alleged." Do you think that would have made a difference?

and, by the way, for all I know she could be dead:

Wow, what does that have to do with her being born in 1897 or 1907? Or opposing consensus.

someone first changed the sentence mentioned into "she turned 111", but that isn't proven either, meaning her current status of living

Wow, always someone else's fault. The problem with your reasoning is someone else's mistakes don't justify yours. That's the thing. Two wrongs don't make a right. Neal (talk) 20:09, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

But it's honestly only just because that person changed it into a fact of mentioning her alleged 111th birthday that I added it in the first place though. Extremely sexy (talk) 21:44, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Which is the problem. It is another example of following the wrong. The problem with your argument is you're trying to blame your stupidity of following someone else in the wrong to justify your act. The problem with this argument is, it's wholly invalid. Your argument could at least make sense if it was following someone in doing the right. Neal (talk) 23:03, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

By the way, Bart, as for your editing of my text, I understand English is not your fluent language, so you follow it in a very computer-like sense. When I say the number 2 (and not two), I did it on purpose. I type out numbers, then spell them for a very courtesy reason: which is more easier for you to read, three hundred fourty-seven or 347? And, as for my usage of commas, my intent in that wasn't to try to be grammatically correct, but to let the readers know when to pause. Anyways, this is your talk page, so...

This is the difference between editing someone's text where they "accidentally" made a mistake, or when it was their intent. I understand you do not feel the word "accidentally" deserves to have quotes around it, but removing it would be redundant (assuming I did it on purpose). Neal (talk) 23:07, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I understand, but the whole point is in fact that I wanted to point out that his edit hadn't been reverted and her claimed age isn't validated at all either though. Extremely sexy (talk) 14:54, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Disruption already?

Consider this another in a long string of warnings about editing other people's talk page comments, which I believe you have been blocked for several times in the past, even beyond the dozens of warnings you've received from others. Also, in this case, you didn't even edit it properly since correct English would never say that he has "the Italian nationality". You've already done it twice in the hour that you have been back. Please, be respectful of the talk page guidelines from now on. Cheers, CP 16:52, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Here you are, a third time, this time changing the context of the individual's comments. I'll be charitable enough to attach this warning to the one above, but keep in mind you've been asked not to do this by many other people in the past. Cheers, CP 16:54, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay then, but he wrote about "the Italian nationality" himself, you know. Extremely sexy (talk) 16:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Consider this your final warning on editing other people's talk page comments. How many warnings do you need? Do not, under any circumstances, touch other people's comments unless it is required for the page to be readable or on your own talk page. Cheers, CP 00:32, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

It seems like Bart has made no real changes to the comments, only fixing them so it looks better to him in his understanding of English. Editorofthewiki 19:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages's talk page guidelines clearly state that no one's comments should be edited unless required for the page to display properly. Bart has not only been warned about this policy in the past, but has been blocked several times in the past for disruptively violating it. He does not have an excuse to act this way. Cheers, CP 04:16, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Got it, man. Extremely sexy (talk) 11:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Katherine Plunket

Bart, grow a brain. The Katherine Plunket is a European case. When BrownHairedGirl worked hard on un-stubbing it, she changed the Month N, Year format to N Month Year format. I accidentally made a mistake of putting it in the U.S. format, and fixed it. Matter fact, everywhere in the article did it use the N Month Year format, not Month N, Year. I see you already reverted to my edits twice without providing any explanation. If you revert back to the U.S. format again, I'll be sure to let BrownHairedGirl know, and I betcha you won't want her on your case.

Matter fact, the article itself also belongs to WikiProject: Ireland, and looking at several of her articles (preferably her grandfather), they all follow the N Month Year format. I don't think WikiProject: Ireland would approve of your U.S edits either.

By the way, you're not from the U.S. either, so why use the U.S. format? I know the Gerontology Research Group says "December 15" for the day Delina Filkins died, so I don't think it violates a policy for changing it to 15 December, eh? Neal (talk) 17:36, 29 March 2008 (UTC).

Well: just plain logic since everywhere else in the very same article all dates are written starting with the number too. Extremely sexy (talk) 17:50, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Not that this has anything to do with the year issue, but I do find it odd that BrownHairedGirl, who usually does a lot of work at Ireland related articles, did some work here instead of nominating for deletion or merging. Interesting... I think this inherant bias should be noted at the mass AfDs. For example, she tagged Lazare Ponticelli as non-notable and merged it into List of French supercentenarians. Now, several months later, his article contains 13,000+ bytes and is currently awaiting promotion to Good article status. Editorofthewiki 17:54, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Take a look at the bottom of her talk posted by Carcharoth, called supercentenarians. She agreed that the Lazare Ponticelli article is no longer a stub, and has no problem with it being unmerged from List of French supercentenarians. Neal (talk) 18:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC).