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| '''Wikiproject Wikipedians for Decency''' was started on August 15th, 2005 to coordinate and promote standards of decency on Misplaced Pages. This project is intended to coordinate efforts to bring articles to appropriate standards of decency, and to help find alternatives for inappropriate content as defined by Misplaced Pages policy, and Misplaced Pages guidelines. | '''Wikiproject Wikipedians for Decency''' was started on August 15th, 2005 to coordinate and promote standards of decency on Misplaced Pages. This project is intended to coordinate efforts to bring articles to appropriate standards of decency, and to help find alternatives for inappropriate content as defined by Misplaced Pages policy, and Misplaced Pages guidelines. | ||
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| *] 06:48, August 17, 2005 (UTC) - I would like to see a standard which requires an obscene image on every page. | *] 06:48, August 17, 2005 (UTC) - I would like to see a standard which requires an obscene image on every page. | ||
| *] 07:44, 17 August 2005 (UTC) - as an observer to any attempt to impose arbitrary standards of 'obscenity' and 'decency' on Misplaced Pages in opposition to ]. | *] 07:44, 17 August 2005 (UTC) - as an observer to any attempt to impose arbitrary standards of 'obscenity' and 'decency' on Misplaced Pages in opposition to ]. | ||
| *] ( ] | ] | ] ) I would like to see every page contain at least one pornographic image. ]]]10:46, 17 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Notice Board== | ==Notice Board== | ||
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| This notice board is intended to inform members of the project of votes or other current Misplaced Pages events which warrant their attention with regards to this project. Please do not list articles in need of attention here, but rather votes for deletion, votes for policy change or other current and ongoing events which warrant the immediate attention of the member base of this WikiProject. | This notice board is intended to inform members of the project of votes or other current Misplaced Pages events which warrant their attention with regards to this project. Please do not list articles in need of attention here, but rather votes for deletion, votes for policy change or other current and ongoing events which warrant the immediate attention of the member base of this WikiProject. | ||
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| *<font color="red">SEVERE</font> Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion -> August 15th -> ] | *<font color="red">SEVERE</font> Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion -> August 15th -> ] | ||
| *: - The is highly unencyclopedic and overtly depicts a sexual act. It is made obsolete by the in the ]. | *: - The is highly unencyclopedic and overtly depicts a sexual act. It is made obsolete by the in the ]. | ||
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| *] - a place in the WikiProject namespace for a working standard on decency. | *] - a place in the WikiProject namespace for a working standard on decency. | ||
| ===Develop standards and factors for obscenity=== | ===Develop standards and factors for obscenity=== | ||
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| The standards for obscenity depend on the community. In this case, it is the Wiki community. We should develop factors for consideration specific to the Wiki community in determining whether an image or an article is obscene. | The standards for obscenity depend on the community. In this case, it is the Wiki community. We should develop factors for consideration specific to the Wiki community in determining whether an image or an article is obscene. | ||
| *Base such standards on pre-existing Misplaced Pages suggestion and policy, or statements by Misplaced Pages founders such as Jimbo. | *Base such standards on pre-existing Misplaced Pages suggestion and policy, or statements by Misplaced Pages founders such as Jimbo. | ||
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| ''This image is completely unacceptable for wikipedia -- I don't even consider this borderline'' | ''This image is completely unacceptable for wikipedia -- I don't even consider this borderline'' | ||
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| :*Jimbo has stated that his edits should be treated like that of any other normal editor, so can be reverted if the community disagrees | |||
| :*Why is it unacceptable? We need to get a statement from Jimbo. | :*Why is it unacceptable? We need to get a statement from Jimbo. | ||
| :**I have . I'll report more when I hear back. ] 08:08, 16 August 2005 (UTC) | :**I have . I'll report more when I hear back. ] 08:08, 16 August 2005 (UTC) | ||
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Wikiproject Wikipedians for Decency was started on August 15th, 2005 to coordinate and promote standards of decency on Misplaced Pages. This project is intended to coordinate efforts to bring articles to appropriate standards of decency, and to help find alternatives for inappropriate content as defined by Misplaced Pages policy, and Misplaced Pages guidelines.
Additionally since relevant sections of Florida Law have been located, standards of decency should be based on existing law in addition to Misplaced Pages policy and guidelines as the Misplaced Pages servers are hosted in Florida, and Florida law is applicable.
Anyone who is interested in contributing, please sign up below and post any ideas and suggestions on the Talk page. Also, feel free to edit this page and add any articles that need serious work or that you feel require attention below in the Open Tasks sections. The notice board below is to inform members of the project of votes or other current Misplaced Pages events which warrant their attention with regards to this project.
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Members
Project members, please add {{DecencyWikiProject-Member}} to your user page to identify yourself as a member of the project.
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- Agriculture 22:06, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
- Noitall 05:15, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
- MONGO 06:54, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
- Banes 12:00, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
- Visorstuff 18:31, 16 August 2005 (UTC) (watching and helping as appropriate/available)
- FCYTravis 06:39, 17 August 2005 (UTC) - I am highly interested in developing a standard which says there shall be no new standards or censorship imposed on Misplaced Pages, as the entire concept of "decency" is POV on its face. I shall be glad to assist reaching such a goal.
- Zoe 06:48, August 17, 2005 (UTC) - I would like to see a standard which requires an obscene image on every page.
- Ngb 07:44, 17 August 2005 (UTC) - as an observer to any attempt to impose arbitrary standards of 'obscenity' and 'decency' on Misplaced Pages in opposition to WP:NPOV.
Notice Board
This notice board is intended to inform members of the project of votes or other current Misplaced Pages events which warrant their attention with regards to this project. Please do not list articles in need of attention here, but rather votes for deletion, votes for policy change or other current and ongoing events which warrant the immediate attention of the member base of this WikiProject.
Please characterize each notice as either:SEVERE, MODERATE, or MINOR to help aid your fellow WikiProject members to determine the state of the notice.
- SEVERE - A critical vote over possibly objectionable content. Often these should be cases where it looks like the vote may be towards keeping an image which clearly violates Misplaced Pages Policy or the State Law of Florida.
- MODERATE - Votes which while not critical involve material that is possibly objectionable and appears to violate Misplaced Pages Policy or the State Law of Florida.
- MINOR - Questionable whether the content is a violation of Misplaced Pages policy, or for votes where the current consensus seems to be for maintaining Misplaced Pages standards for Images and articles.
Please remove notices when votes are closed, or the event is no longer current. Each Sunday, all notices for the week should be consolidated into a single subcategory labeled: Week of:<DAY> <MONTH> - <DAY> <MONTH>, listing the date of the Monday and Sunday of the week as the range.
16 August 2005
- SEVERE Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion -> August 15th -> Image:autofellatio 2.jpg
- link - The image in question is highly unencyclopedic and overtly depicts a sexual act. It is made obsolete by the illustration in the article.
- Suggested action - vote your conscience as to whether the image should be deleted or kept.
- Status of the vote as of 07:22, 16 August 2005 (UTC): Delete: 7, Keep: 15.
- MODERATE Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion -> August 10th -> Image:Vibe.jpg
- link - The image in question is highly unencyclopedic and overtly depicts a sexual act. It is made obsolete by this illustration.
- Suggested action - vote your conscience as to whether the image should be deleted or kept.
- Status: No votes, but votes may be forth coming as it is cited in the the above mentioned SEVERE notice's discussion.
- MODERATE Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion -> August 10th -> Image:Handj.jpg
- link - The image in question is highly unencyclopedic and overtly depicts a sexual act. It is made obsolete by this illustration.
- Suggested action - vote your conscience as to whether the image should be deleted or kept.
- Status: No votes, but votes may be forth coming as it is cited in the the above mentioned SEVERE notice's discussion.
- MINOR Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion -> August 10th -> Image:Groupshower.jpg
- link - The image in question is highly unencyclopedic and is needlessly sexual.
- Suggested action - vote your conscience as to whether the image should be deleted or kept.
- Status: No votes, orphaned image, likely to be deleted.
Open Tasks
Working Standard for Obscenity and Decency in Images
- Working Standard for Obscenity and Decency in Images - a place in the WikiProject namespace for a working standard on decency.
Develop standards and factors for obscenity
The standards for obscenity depend on the community. In this case, it is the Wiki community. We should develop factors for consideration specific to the Wiki community in determining whether an image or an article is obscene.
- Base such standards on pre-existing Misplaced Pages suggestion and policy, or statements by Misplaced Pages founders such as Jimbo.
Some discussions on the issue:
- Discussion on Full Frontal Nudity
- Full Frontal Nudity and Encyclopedias Discussion
- Jimbo's Removal of Autofellatio Image - Jimbo removes an image commenting:
This image is completely unacceptable for wikipedia -- I don't even consider this borderline
- Why is it unacceptable? We need to get a statement from Jimbo.
- I have asked Jimbo to clarify. I'll report more when I hear back. Agriculture 08:08, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
- Why is it unacceptable? We need to get a statement from Jimbo.
- Florida Law on Obscenity
- Under Florida Title XLVI Chapter 847 Section 011, it is a third degree felony to distribute photographs of sexual acts in such a way that they are available to minors. Without an age check, such photos are a felony, and could cause Misplaced Pages to be shut down.
Suggest constructive ways to modify the statement of policy
Current policies:
- Misplaced Pages is not censored
- Misplaced Pages:Image_use_policy
- Misplaced Pages:Profanity
- Undefined "no nudity policy" but that does not mean it must be G-rated
- The current undefined "no nudity policy" is more on the lines of "no pornography" policy, the difference being that nudity could be found in an art museum, pornography could not.
Responses to those who want no standard or oppose deletion of obscenity
- Statement: If Wiki cannot conform to all worldwide communities (and it can't), then it should not conform to any of them
- Responses:
- Statement: There is no concern that Misplaced Pages could become a porn site; there are no plans to turn Misplaced Pages into anything other than an encyclopedia
- Responses:
- Statement: You believe that these images should not be shown on Misplaced Pages because you think they're 'obscene'. That implies a moral judgement, and is therefore directly in opposition to WP:NPOV, the founding principle of Misplaced Pages
- Responses:
Articles to be Addressed
Feel free to add any articles that need to be addressed or improved to this list. When adding a page, place {{DecencyWikiProject}} on the articles talk page.
- New article created, Template:FloridaDecencyLaw for use in highlighting the reason to delete certain images. Intended to be used as a boiler plate for indecent images.