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The article as it stands says that the subject wrote anonymously, based on being in the "public life". What exactly does that mean? There is nothing in the article to indicate it. Was he successful in the public life, or not, and to what degree? Did he have any particular achievements in public life? We have no indications of any. Considering that the subject evidently considered his other career(s) more important than his writing career, it is very hard to imagine that at least reasonable information on that career, if it is available, is not something that the article would require to be complete. Did he get paid for the publications or not? If not, how did he acquire money, or even did he? Also, in my own limited experience with the single extant source, the DNB, on the ] article, I found it to be both incomplete and non-neutral. What can be true in one article can be true in another, even if such recurrences are unlikely. On that basis, I believe, even given the reputation of the source used, that there is every reason to believe at least one other source meeting RS standards to any reasonable degree should be reasonably included to make this article more clearly reliable. ] (]) 23:10, 9 June 2008 (UTC) |
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The article as it stands says that the subject wrote anonymously, based on being in the "public life". What exactly does that mean? There is nothing in the article to indicate it. Was he successful in the public life, or not, and to what degree? Did he have any particular achievements in public life? We have no indications of any. Considering that the subject evidently considered his other career(s) more important than his writing career, it is very hard to imagine that at least reasonable information on that career, if it is available, is not something that the article would require to be complete. Did he get paid for the publications or not? If not, how did he acquire money, or even did he? Also, in my own limited experience with the single extant source, the DNB, on the ] article, I found it to be both incomplete and non-neutral. What can be true in one article can be true in another, even if such recurrences are unlikely. On that basis, I believe, even given the reputation of the source used, that there is every reason to believe at least one other source meeting RS standards to any reasonable degree should be reasonably included to make this article more clearly reliable. ] (]) 23:10, 9 June 2008 (UTC) |
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:Don't confuse the current ] with the ] and it's supplements. The current ODNB article on Melmoth has been written for the new book (though it draws on the older material to some extent), both old andnew articles are avialable from the link I've no winserted in the article (every British library member should have access to the online version). I note that the ODNB also contains a new biography on Bryant - but we must also recognise the essential difference about writing about someone who died almost 300 years ago, as against someone who died less than 15 years ago. With one we've had time to come to a mature assesment of his writings and importance - with the other, opinion is still changing. ] (]) 09:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC) |
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:Don't confuse the current ] with the ] and it's supplements. The current ODNB article on Melmoth has been written for the new book (though it draws on the older material to some extent), both old and new articles are avialable from the link I've no winserted in the article (every British library member should have access to the online version). I note that the ODNB also contains a new biography on Bryant - but we must also recognise the essential difference about writing about someone who died almost 300 years ago, as against someone who died less than 15 years ago. With one we've had time to come to a mature assesment of his writings and importance - with the other, opinion is still changing. ] (]) 09:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC) |
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:I acknowledge the time for reviewing the life of a subject is different. Also, there is the matter not only of his writings and importance, but also of his life itself. This is, first and foremost, a '''biographical''' article about the subject, so it is reasonable to expect . Regarding the DNB and new version, in fact, there are two complete sets of the new DNB in the Olin library here, the full 2004 version is available here as per , as is the 1949 edition , among others. Also, it should be noted that the existing Oxford version contains additional material which is missing from this article, most of which directly relates to the subject's regular life and should be included as an indication of his activities and would seemingly be required for it to be even remotely complete, unless one were to argue that that source contained superfluous material. Granted, there may be problems using the same source for all the material, but that just means other sources should be consulted. Also, regretably, any human endeavor is subject to error, so, on that basis alone, it is I think generally recommended to consult additional sources. Doing so would also ensure that there is no possible extant bias or lack of information regarding possible recently released material on the subject. ] (]) 13:41, 10 June 2008 (UTC) |
The article as it stands says that the subject wrote anonymously, based on being in the "public life". What exactly does that mean? There is nothing in the article to indicate it. Was he successful in the public life, or not, and to what degree? Did he have any particular achievements in public life? We have no indications of any. Considering that the subject evidently considered his other career(s) more important than his writing career, it is very hard to imagine that at least reasonable information on that career, if it is available, is not something that the article would require to be complete. Did he get paid for the publications or not? If not, how did he acquire money, or even did he? Also, in my own limited experience with the single extant source, the DNB, on the Arthur Bryant article, I found it to be both incomplete and non-neutral. What can be true in one article can be true in another, even if such recurrences are unlikely. On that basis, I believe, even given the reputation of the source used, that there is every reason to believe at least one other source meeting RS standards to any reasonable degree should be reasonably included to make this article more clearly reliable. John Carter (talk) 23:10, 9 June 2008 (UTC)